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Seller Protections for Returns - Where are they?

Hello - I just wanted to ask if anyone knows if anything is being done to ensure better protection for sellers.  Twice in a month I have sold items that are brand new and sealed- only to have “no other options” than to bite the buck and pay for returns after shipping to them (aside from the return of full monies from the sale).  What is being done for sellers on this platform who list, describe and photo accurately, then ship items in perfect and new condition- or accurate description of a used item ...just to get a “I dont like it, think it must be bad or something..want to return” and have no possible options at all other than to offer them a partial or full refund. Or why is the buyer not responsible for items they agreed on even when the listing has no return (but due to ebay’s buyer guarantee- sellers will or can still get the short end and lose money either way). It is a punch for us small sellers who pay good money for items to resell when we can, only to get returned, now opened and used, that may not be sellable any more on top of shipping costs to and from.  People sell new and used name brand perfumes, body sprays, makeup etc that have been discontinued some for 10-15-18 years and no one cares, they buy it because they want the scent or shade...so how is the seller not covered at all when a buyer comes back & says a 15 year old new/boxed perfume doesnt “smell the way they thought” and get full return amount and the seller gets the shaft in shipping at the least.  Any buyer is gonna say “defective” in their return request, no one in their right mind is going to say “buyers remorse, changed my kind, my bad” when they want their money back or see the same item listed for less after the fact and want to pay less. One piece of advice I just got from ebay on the phone was to message them after the sale before I send it and say “are you really sure you want it?..if not we can cancel...just making sure you really want it..” ..seriously? ...Just wondering from other home sellers like me - or even mass market/store sellers on here - if they have voiced this kind of issue to ebay and had any good feedback on it.  Thanks 🙂 

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Seller Protections for Returns - Where are they?

Ever since eBay decided that they want to be Amazon, sellers have been left with the short end of the stick. It's the cost of doing business here, they say.


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I just got burned buy a buyer who claimed I sent him the wrong scented shaving cream, then returned a completely used and empty tube of shaving cream of a different fragrance back into my product's box.  I immediately contacted eBay and reported the buyer several times after receiving the return, only to be told I needed to wait until the case was closed and then file an appeal.  Even if they decide the appeal in my favor, I am still out shipping costs both ways.  I guess what is known as theft in the real world is "customer care" in eBay land.

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If you offer 30 day returns and free returns you can deduct up to 50 percent off the refund if the buyer sends you back nothing, altered item, used up empty item etc. Other than that, not much else. It’s usually a he said she said situation with any return. Ebay has not seen what was sent or what was returned so they cannot take a stance. Best to honor the returns.

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I will share with you an example of how I handled a customer who had returned something then purchased something again. I did ask them if they were sure they really wanted the second item. They messaged me back and said yes they did and then gave me a little insight into why they returned the first item. No matter how well you photograph or describe an item, people may still have a different expectation about that item. They cannot smell it , taste it, try it on, or anything tangible, so at times they may do a return. Not your fault, not their fault. The buyer I spoke of loved the second item very much, and will probable return Tom buy again becuase we had a good connection. Treat people well and they will treat you well.

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I had 2 shipments of silver coins I sent from Arizona to a buyer on EBAY stolen from the USPS mail in Cold Spring, MN at the buyer's location. Exhaustive investigations by the USPS and Cold Spring Police came up empty on the theft of these coins valued at $1378.
I purchased shipping insurance on EBAY's coin page. Now they refuse to pay for my loss.
My contention is that EBAY sells shipping insurance on coin pages knowing full well that the carrier, INTERSTATE CASUALTY that EBAY contracts with, will not cover coin losses. So why does EBAY sell insurance on those pages when they know full well that loss claims will not be covered.
I have appealed this case through EBAY and they refuse to pay for my loss, despite telling me on 3 separate phone conversations that they would cover my loss due to the unusual circumstances.
EBAY has left me no recourse now but to sue EBAY in Arizona Court. And this is a case I will win. It also could result in a class action suit against EBAY based on counsel I have discussed this with.
You will be getting a subpoena soon. Was it worth it? Consumer fraud is taken very seriously in Arizona.

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Thank You for the replies...I messaged the buyer back and politely offered a discount and then led into the return process for a full refund adding that items in the category will be monitored after return is final - now they’ve done a 180 and reply with “oh yes, i want a discount!” - not a return, which is what their original request was “the item seems off, like maybe its bad.. i want to return it” ... so now Im haggling post purchase and losing money on a valid (i would think should be like a contract) purchase - post purchase because Im sure they see the same item is now posted for less by another seller. Also, having to contact ebay for credit on the whatever will be adjusted much lower purchase amount if they’ll even do that.  It just makes the selling aspect on ebay a total pain.  Almost not worth it for the small sellers on here.

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My contention is that EBAY sells shipping insurance on coin pages knowing full well that the carrier, INTERSTATE CASUALTY that EBAY contracts with, will not cover coin losses.

This is also the case with USPS insurance, yet eBay still offers it when you buy your postage. Probably catch a lot of unsuspecting sellers. 


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I am selling honey from Malaysia. Me and my friend go to the jungle with our partner to take the honey and packaging it ourselves. We send our honey to University lab to do analysis. Then came this UK guy suddenly claiming that our honey is not authentic and want a return. Man, I am the one who went to jungle to get this honey and he just come and said it is fake and ebay just believe it without he giving any proof.  Even though you wrote "No return once opened", ebay didn't care. If this is normal in ebay, more people will turn to scammers because it is easy. Order expensive foods, then claim it is fake and return. If lucky, you will get full refund and the foods. Viva ebay!

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@slikwitch wrote:

Also, having to contact ebay for credit on the whatever will be adjusted much lower purchase amount if they’ll even do that.


No, they don't give credit for partial refunds.

 

 

 

 

 

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I am acquainted with the free return policy and eBay's claim of 50 percent off the refund if the person scams you but have seen little or no evidence that anyone has ever collected on this. What eBay should do is charge the buyer a 5% non-refundable buyer premium and cut the sellers fees down. The non-refundable buyer premium may help discourage the scammers a bit. I buy and sell on a couple of forums where this is the standard practice. 

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Truer words were never spoken and eBay will NEVER be Amazon. Some of their own misgivings allowed Amazon to capture some of eBay's market share I am quite sure. 

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We have been selling on ebay for approx 6 years now, and have had very, very mixed results in dealing with seller protections.

Basically all sellers have been scammed by customers through ebays moneyback guarantee and the abuse ebay allows to occur. As you said, no buyer ever says its buyers remorse, and any buyer selecting "item not as described " will always get a return even if you dont offer returns, and even if it doesnt seem to make sense or be a valid reason. All buyers who buy from sellers who dont offer returns know they can and will game the system against you, just because they know they can and will get away with it.

Recently we had a buyer claim an item wasnt as described since it was delivered 3 days prior to the estimated delivery date, and not on the actual single day ebay estimated, but the buyer also lied and said it was late. Ebay didnt care, it's all still our fault according to them. We dont offer returns but of course ebay has forced us to accept the return and lose nearly  $65 total in shipping both ways. Sellers cannot control the estimated delivery date in any way, and can only lengthen the period by adding handling time. Still, ebay doesnt care if you mark "economy shipping " they will still arbitrarily choose their estimated dates and will hold any deviation against you.  Goodluck ever shipping parcel post or smartpost without risking defects.

 

We specifically include " all items as is, all sales final, no returns or refunds for any reason" in our listing description because of the mentioned problem of having buyers try to negotiate further discounts after the sale. We do include the ability to submit best offers, however we do get customers who try to demand further discounts once they have the item. I think we have all also experienced this type of buyer abuse at some time too if you've been here long enough.

Ebay has an implicit buyer biased policy, and the buyer is never wrong until they get banned. Ebay once had the possibility for negative buyer feedback but now censors all negative buyer feedback by not allowing it, thus removing the ability for sellers to due their own due diligence about the trustworthiness of buyers. 

This whole system is very bad but has been this way for a long time. 

Id estimate that 1 in 10 times ebay will eventually back a seller, always on the final appeal if ever, but its rare. Ebay also does not take just the individual transactions into account, they base their decisions off of your previous history of appeals too. Having multiple customers return damaged or used items, or items missing parts, and notifying ebay of this will add to a record. The truth and facts of individual transactions dont matter as much as your record, and having multiple buyers with similar problems may lead ebay to deny cases or appeals simply because they have honored others in the past. This is unfair of course, every transaction and outcome should be based on the merits of itself alone, but this is not how ebay operates. If you win an appeal its usually actually ebay themselves who pays you, not the customer, as they usually still get away with it. 

 

We all know ebay reps have very scripted responses and dont always explain with reason, so much so that some can appear robot like in chats and messaging when in fact its a real person. Also, ebay used to have their phone number readily available and able to be called 24-7 but now they are making it harder and harder to have live conversations with real people and you cannot call them.  If you request too many interactions, you will find yourself temporarily banned,  so dont ask ebay for help too often or you may find yourself permabanned. 

 

Dont know if this will actually help anyone, but hopefully its insight for some of us in this echo-chamber. Goodluck to you all, but always be wary as every transaction is at your risk and final decisions about your money are not in your hands. 

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