04-11-2018 12:12 PM
I am the buyer, and received a partially defective item so opened a return dispute. The seller wants to send a partial refund as return shipping price makes it not worth returning which I agree to. The problem is, when I clicked accept to his partial refund the money couldn't be sent as it was locked by paypal until the dispute is closed. But I obviously can't close the dispute until after I get the refund... He says he could send it by bank transfer, but first he wants to know for sure that paypal won't then also send the money from his paypal account.
Seems a bit of a bug in the system, but what can we do to get around this?
04-11-2018 01:32 PM
If I received a defective item, I would ask eBay to step in and get me a 100% refund.
04-11-2018 02:18 PM - edited 04-11-2018 02:19 PM
The sellers offer is basically a full refund minus the shipping, and I would get to keep the item. It is a better option for both me and for him.
04-11-2018 03:07 PM
04-11-2018 03:16 PM
@norrdan_dmqncr77e wrote:The sellers offer is basically a full refund minus the shipping, and I would get to keep the item. It is a better option for both me and for him.
A full refund and you keeping the item would be better.
04-12-2018 02:05 AM
04-12-2018 09:33 AM
Yes, it would include the shipping charge.
04-12-2018 09:47 AM
@norrdan_dmqncr77e wrote:I am the buyer, and received a partially defective item so opened a return dispute. The seller wants to send a partial refund as return shipping price makes it not worth returning which I agree to. The problem is, when I clicked accept to his partial refund the money couldn't be sent as it was locked by paypal until the dispute is closed. But I obviously can't close the dispute until after I get the refund... He says he could send it by bank transfer, but first he wants to know for sure that paypal won't then also send the money from his paypal account.
Seems a bit of a bug in the system, but what can we do to get around this?
Something about this is not right ...
I think the seller must have tried to "Send" you the money, rather than refunding from the payment transaction, which is the correct way to do a refund from PayPal. When he sends money, it has to come from his balance (which is probably negative so it can't come from that) or a back up funding source (usually his bank account).
The proper way to do a refund is through eBay. The seller can send you an offer for a partial refund, and you can accept that offer if it is acceptable to you. This will be in the eBay Resolution Center. The refund is made from the money (in PayPal) which is being held from your payment transaction. This way, the refund can't be made twice by accident, which the seller was concerned about.
04-12-2018 11:57 AM
The proper way to do a refund is through eBay. The seller can send you an offer for a partial refund, and you can accept that offer if it is acceptable to you. This will be in the eBay Resolution Center. The refund is made from the money (in PayPal) which is being held from your payment transaction. This way, the refund can't be made twice by accident, which the seller was concerned about.
This is exactly what he did as far as I can tell. Any other type of partial refund or method of sending me the money wouldn't ask me to accept or decline. I clicked accept and it said that the refund couldn't be sent and that ebay would ask the seller to try again. The seller then said they can't because it is locked. I don't think they are lying, I've also seen some other people discussing the same problem but with no solution. I guess ebay just has a bug that it doesn't understand to take the partial refund from the money being held.
If anyone knows any work around please feel free to post 😉
04-13-2018 07:57 PM
@lacemaker3 wrote:...
- If YOUR payment is being held, then PayPal will use the held funds to give YOU a refund. (That's the purpose of holding your funds.)
- You don't have to close the dispute in order to release the funds covered by the dispute. That's not how it works. Never close the dispute until you have the refund in hand.
- It sounds like the seller's PayPal account is negative because of other issues related to other transactions, but in that case, PayPal would have issued the refund as an e-check against the selelr's bank account. They wouldn't have declined to send it (which is what it sounds like).
I think the seller must have tried to "Send" you the money, rather than refunding from the payment transaction, which is the correct way to do a refund from PayPal. When he sends money, it has to come from his balance (which is probably negative so it can't come from that) or a back up funding source (usually his bank account).
The proper way to do a refund is through eBay. The seller can send you an offer for a partial refund, and you can accept that offer if it is acceptable to you. This will be in the eBay Resolution Center. The refund is made from the money (in PayPal) which is being held from your payment transaction. This way, the refund can't be made twice by accident, which the seller was concerned about.
I have experienced this from the buyer's perspective.
In my situation, the seller sent a refund as an "e-check", and it bounced, so I didn't receive the refund until I escalated the issue to eBay and they took care of refunding me because the seller didn't fulfill their obligations.
From communicating with the seller, they tried to issue a refund because they coudn't get access to the funds in PayPal to pay for the item I had purchased. (Not a valid reason to cancel a transaction.) The funds were held probably because the seller had other (previous) cases that were were putting their funds into "held" status (due to eBay cases for INR or SNAD, probably also related to transactions that were cancelled for invalid reasons).
eBay refunded me (in the end) and charged the seller for the cost of the refund, and gave them a defect because they didn't resolve the issue without eBay stepping in (they didn't resolve my issue). FYI at last check the seller was NARU because they ddidn't complete transactions for their buyers.
If your seller had properly refunded you, then you would have received the refund.
If you want to argue about it, then you can waste your own time, but it won't make any difference unless you let a deadline pass to get a refund, in which case you won't get a refund that you might otherwise have been entitled to.