01-21-2018 02:32 PM
I ship via FedEx Smartpost very often on my seller account for cheap, but larger packages, especially across the country. I went to print some labels today and the prices have more than doubled. They are more expensive than FedEx Ground which is a quicker and better service. I usually can send a 5lb package to the West coast from the East coast for $10-14, but now the price shows as $27.00 (FedEx Ground is $20). Even within a few hundred miles, the price usually is between $5-9.00, the price quoted now is $14.00. Does this have to do with the updated USPS pricing or is it some other error with eBay?
01-27-2018 02:14 PM
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I did make an error in post #34 on the Smartpost price (don't know if a typo or what)
► A 7 pound 12x12x10 pkg to zone 8 will run: $15.42 Smartpost, $16.57 FedEx Home Delivery,
► and $27.04 Priority Mail, and $27.03 Parcel Select.
should have been:
A 7 pound 12x12x10 pkg to zone 8 will run: $24.83 Smartpost, $17.69 FedEx Home Delivery, and $27.04 Priority Mail, and $27.03 Parcel Select.
(The FedEx Home Delivery amount increased about a dollar since the previous check. Not sure if eBay is adjusting things or if another typo on my part)
I'm in Ca. and package going to WA. in a rual part of town zone 3 ,and Priced smartpost rate for a 1 lb. 6Oz package 11x10x6 Retail price $12.33 plus surcharge $1.85 total before TRS Plus Discount. $14.18 ! so ebay discount trs plus 19% off :-$2.16 from $14.18 it is now $12.02 . I went with USPS prirorty Mail TRS-Plus discount off retail $10.65 is 14% off -$1.46 it is now $9.19 , Parcel select was $9.47 ! How is it Smartpost is higher Now then both Priorty mail and parcel Select ?
01-28-2018 07:00 AM
01-28-2018 10:38 AM
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I have also noticed a discrepancy on FedEx Ground calculated prices on eBay. Sometime in January, my buyer paid about $20 for FedEx Ground and my eBay label cost me over $24.
I can't see shipping FedEx Smartpost based on new rates are above USPS .
01-29-2018 09:56 AM
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One thing I just noticed while checking my figures is that the label calculator is now using a 166 Dimensional Weight Divisor for Ground/Home Delivery (where I'm 99% positive it was using 139 since 1/1/18), but is using 139 for Smartpost.
That is an area where we could get some relief if eBay would/could also use the 166 divisor on Smartpost calculations.
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Official stance on this? @Anonymous
Is the FedEx Ground/Home Delivery/Express? dimensional weight divisor going to be 166 again for 2018? (or is what I saw a transient glitch?)
And is there any hope that the Smartpost divisor will be 166, or is it going to be 139?
Hi @berserkerplanet, I can confirm that our current dimensional factor for Ground/Home Delivery and now SmartPost is 166.
01-29-2018 10:22 AM
01-29-2018 10:58 AM
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@Anonymous
That is good news. Takes a bit of the sting out.
However, I just tried two "print another label" mockups, and although the calculator is using 166 for Home Delivery, it is still using 139 for the divisor for Smartpost.
Also, so far I'm not seeing incorrect Smartpost label totals with added discounts or missing fuel surcharges that a few others are complaining about.
(Disclosure - I am only able to test using the "print another label" method as I have no current FedEx shipments to do of any kind, but that shouldn't make any difference - it's the same calculator. )
Berserker : I have done same thing as you , test using p-rint another label .
01-29-2018 11:23 AM
This post pertains to the FedEx Ground/Home Delivery discrepancy glitch.
►I have also noticed a discrepancy on FedEx Ground calculated prices on eBay. Sometime
►in January, my buyer paid about $20 for FedEx Ground and my eBay label cost me over $24.
There is was a different bug working in FedEx Ground/Home Delivery where the rates charged by the actual label calculator are correct (as are the Smartpost rates), but the calculator that shows rates in search, listings, and checkout is coming up with amounts a few dollars low. Close to about the $3.60 amount of a Residential Delivery surcharge in some cases, but varies from about $1-5 from what I've seen and there is no pattern that makes any sense.
I think I may have just figured it out! I think it's the Dimensional weight divisor, and it's an eBay screwup. Jan 1 FedEx rates went up, and it *looked* like the negotiated 166 divisor from 2017 went away when I broke down label amounts. The actual label calculator was using a the standard FedEx 139 divisor, while the estimating calculators were still using the 2017 166 divisor and producing lower estimated amounts as a result.
As it turns out, eBay is actually still offering us the better 166 divisor (Trinton confirmed it), the label calculator finally got updated to use it a couple of days ago, and I just checked one and the estimated and actual label amounts now match within pennies)
It looks like that issue is fixed. The bad news is that it looks like that extra $4 you paid for that label was actually an overcharge (depending on how you view it).
If we were supposed to be getting the benefit of the better negotiated 166 divisor starting 1/1/18, then the broken label calculator using the 139 divisor was actually overcharging for those Ground and Home Delivery labels. It remains to be seen what FedEx actually bills on your eBay invoice for that one.
@dcintennessee @babclassics @dtexley
I'd be interested to see real numbers from those of you that were bitten by that recent FedEx Ground/Home Delivery "buyer charged less than actual label" glitch. Zone (or origin and dest zips), weight, dimensions, and (if you want) actual label charge and amount charged to buyer. What I want to look at is if playing with the dim weight divisor makes the numbers fit (ie: amount buyer paid was based on a 166 divisor being used while actual label cost was based on using a 139 divisor).
In any case, it LOOKS like that glitch has been fixed (as of a couple of days ago when I noted the 166 divisor in use)
01-29-2018 11:34 AM
01-29-2018 11:42 AM
Well said !
01-29-2018 12:12 PM
Again, there is no TRS discount on any FedEx labels - all eBay sellers get the same discounts.
11x10x6. All FedEx shipments consider dimensional weight, while USPS has a 1 cu-ft threshold.
Your package was under the threshold so USPS shipping weight was 2lb, and USPS doesn't care about rural or not.
Smartpost shipping weight was 11x10x6/139 = 5 lb. Smartpost base rate for 5lb to zone 3 is $9.91 Rural and incurred $1.85 Delivery Area Surcharge. Add on 5.75% Fuel surcharge and subtract a measly 2-4% discount and comes to about $12.00. (those are online rate numbers and still higher than your Priority or Parcel Select)
Dimensional weight is a killer for Smartpost now, and it applies to EVERY SINGLE shipment (and rural destinations don't help either.)
Now, more than ever, you can't just have a one-size-fits-all simple shipping method. Sometime Priority is best choice for all zones, maybe flat rate and regionals, sometimes FedEx Home Delivery is only viable option for all zones, sometimes Priority for near zones and Home Delivery for distant, mix in parcel select for larger packages, and Smartpost may even still have a place in the mix (I haven't sat down with my listings to figure that part out yet).
01-29-2018 12:47 PM
wrote:Again, there is no TRS discount on any FedEx labels - all eBay sellers get the same discounts.
11x10x6. All FedEx shipments consider dimensional weight, while USPS has a 1 cu-ft threshold.
Your package was under the threshold so USPS shipping weight was 2lb, and USPS doesn't care about rural or not.
Smartpost shipping weight was 11x10x6/139 = 5 lb. Smartpost base rate for 5lb to zone 3 is $9.91 Rural and incurred $1.85 Delivery Area Surcharge. Add on 5.75% Fuel surcharge and subtract a measly 2-4% discount and comes to about $12.00. (those are online rate numbers and still higher than your Priority or Parcel Select)
Dimensional weight is a killer for Smartpost now, and it applies to EVERY SINGLE shipment (and rural destinations don't help either.)
Now, more than ever, you can't just have a one-size-fits-all simple shipping method. Sometime Priority is best choice for all zones, maybe flat rate and regionals, sometimes FedEx Home Delivery is only viable option for all zones, sometimes Priority for near zones and Home Delivery for distant, mix in parcel select for larger packages, and Smartpost may even still have a place in the mix (I haven't sat down with my listings to figure that part out yet).
I agree with you. .
01-29-2018 12:55 PM - edited 01-29-2018 12:57 PM
I'm pretty sure it's not working entirely, or perhaps jus did so a few minutes ago then. They may have missed a place to fix the calculations... the postage billing for buyers! We stopped offering SmartPost altogether, but a few legacy listings we forgot to change cropped up to bite us today somehow. It was buyer paid based on distance. Shipping from the West Coast to VA. We have it listed as 2lb 8ozs and had Smartpost as the cheapest option. They apparently selected that, Ebay calculated their postage as $10.xx and billed them that. Go to ship it just now, and at first got an estimate of $24 for SmartPost and the usual message of "This is only and estimate we'll BILL you the ACTUAL cost when it gets there." Like I trust THAT these days. So we switch to USPS and got the priority rate of $14.88 at which point we entered a 12x12x8 std Large priority mailing box size. A little better. Switched BACK to Fedex one more time and this time got $15.xx as the "estimate." If you go to the Fedex site, I couldn't find anywhere that they quote Smartpost in their standard prices linked from the home page menu.
So I'm not sure WHERE Eb is getting their rates to charge the buyer, but I'm not trusting them to calculate them properly for Smartpost at this point and listing ONLY Priority rates for now.
01-29-2018 01:50 PM
wrote:This post pertains to the FedEx Ground/Home Delivery discrepancy glitch.
►I have also noticed a discrepancy on FedEx Ground calculated prices on eBay. Sometime
►in January, my buyer paid about $20 for FedEx Ground and my eBay label cost me over $24.
Thereiswas a different bug working in FedEx Ground/Home Delivery where the rates charged by the actual label calculator are correct (as are the Smartpost rates), but the calculator that shows rates in search, listings, and checkout is coming up with amounts a few dollars low. Close to about the $3.60 amount of a Residential Delivery surcharge in some cases, but varies from about $1-5 from what I've seen and there is no pattern that makes any sense.
I think I may have just figured it out! I think it's the Dimensional weight divisor, and it's an eBay screwup. Jan 1 FedEx rates went up, and it *looked* like the negotiated 166 divisor from 2017 went away when I broke down label amounts. The actual label calculator was using a the standard FedEx 139 divisor, while the estimating calculators were still using the 2017 166 divisor and producing lower estimated amounts as a result.
As it turns out, eBay is actually still offering us the better 166 divisor (Trinton confirmed it), the label calculator finally got updated to use it a couple of days ago, and I just checked one and the estimated and actual label amounts now match within pennies)
It looks like that issue is fixed. The bad news is that it looks like that extra $4 you paid for that label was actually an overcharge (depending on how you view it).
If we were supposed to be getting the benefit of the better negotiated 166 divisor starting 1/1/18, then the broken label calculator using the 139 divisor was actually overcharging for those Ground and Home Delivery labels. It remains to be seen what FedEx actually bills on your eBay invoice for that one.
@dcintennessee @babclassics@ @dtexley
I'd be interested to see real numbers from those of you that were bitten by that recent FedEx Ground/Home Delivery "buyer charged less than actual label" glitch. Zone (or origin and dest zips), weight, dimensions, and (if you want) actual label charge and amount charged to buyer. What I want to look at is if playing with the dim weight divisor makes the numbers fit (ie: amount buyer paid was based on a 166 divisor being used while actual label cost was based on using a 139 divisor).
In any case, it LOOKS like that glitch has been fixed (as of a couple of days ago when I noted the 166 divisor in use)
Have not done any SmartPost since last week due to buyer undercharge at that time, removed it from all my shipping options. Here is a FedEx Home from Sunday 1/29 and it appears there is still a problem and think FedEx will charge more when the shipping resolves later at billing. The whole thing matches up between buyer and seller on eBay, but is less than FedEx will probably actually charge. Fedex web site is showing the retail rate for this package at $29.13 and $27.39 with my business discount. While eBay label print is showing $26.26 and $21.85 with a 24% discount if i did the math right? Seems like about a $3.00 undercharge by eBay though that is wiped out by the 24% discount is still seems wrong? Have included all details of the eBay generated label in the first screen shot. The second screen shot if the same package from FedEx business account which got about an 8% discount from retail by my figuring. Let us know what all you learn from this one.
Please note this shipment has a $1.00 handling charge so the buyer paid $21.80 for the label from 55121 to 82072.
01-29-2018 02:14 PM
wrote:
wrote:This post pertains to the FedEx Ground/Home Delivery discrepancy glitch.
►I have also noticed a discrepancy on FedEx Ground calculated prices on eBay. Sometime
►in January, my buyer paid about $20 for FedEx Ground and my eBay label cost me over $24.
Thereiswas a different bug working in FedEx Ground/Home Delivery where the rates charged by the actual label calculator are correct (as are the Smartpost rates), but the calculator that shows rates in search, listings, and checkout is coming up with amounts a few dollars low. Close to about the $3.60 amount of a Residential Delivery surcharge in some cases, but varies from about $1-5 from what I've seen and there is no pattern that makes any sense.
I think I may have just figured it out! I think it's the Dimensional weight divisor, and it's an eBay screwup. Jan 1 FedEx rates went up, and it *looked* like the negotiated 166 divisor from 2017 went away when I broke down label amounts. The actual label calculator was using a the standard FedEx 139 divisor, while the estimating calculators were still using the 2017 166 divisor and producing lower estimated amounts as a result.
As it turns out, eBay is actually still offering us the better 166 divisor (Trinton confirmed it), the label calculator finally got updated to use it a couple of days ago, and I just checked one and the estimated and actual label amounts now match within pennies)
It looks like that issue is fixed. The bad news is that it looks like that extra $4 you paid for that label was actually an overcharge (depending on how you view it).
If we were supposed to be getting the benefit of the better negotiated 166 divisor starting 1/1/18, then the broken label calculator using the 139 divisor was actually overcharging for those Ground and Home Delivery labels. It remains to be seen what FedEx actually bills on your eBay invoice for that one.
@dcintennessee @babclassics@ @dtexley
I'd be interested to see real numbers from those of you that were bitten by that recent FedEx Ground/Home Delivery "buyer charged less than actual label" glitch. Zone (or origin and dest zips), weight, dimensions, and (if you want) actual label charge and amount charged to buyer. What I want to look at is if playing with the dim weight divisor makes the numbers fit (ie: amount buyer paid was based on a 166 divisor being used while actual label cost was based on using a 139 divisor).
In any case, it LOOKS like that glitch has been fixed (as of a couple of days ago when I noted the 166 divisor in use)
Have not done any SmartPost since last week due to buyer undercharge at that time, removed it from all my shipping options. Here is a FedEx Home from Sunday 1/29 and it appears there is still a problem and think FedEx will charge more when the shipping resolves later at billing. The whole thing matches up between buyer and seller on eBay, but is less than FedEx will probably actually charge. Fedex web site is showing the retail rate for this package at $29.13 and $27.39 with my business discount. While eBay label print is showing $26.26 and $21.85 with a 24% discount if i did the math right? Seems like about a $3.00 undercharge by eBay though that is wiped out by the 24% discount is still seems wrong? Have included all details of the eBay generated label in the first screen shot. The second screen shot if the same package from FedEx business account which got about an 8% discount from retail by my figuring. Let us know what all you learn from this one.
Please note this shipment has a $1.00 handling charge so the buyer paid $21.80 for the label from 55121 to 82072.
I went to the FedEx web site they had the new Smartpost DIM rates and reason for it was that wanted to be in line with UPS Surepost Pricing ! Which I find hard to Believe Until I see UPS's New 2018 rates list . They said UPS's DIM cost is higher
01-31-2018 10:44 AM
It was buyer paid based on distance. Shipping from the West Coast to VA. We have it listed as 2lb 8ozs and had Smartpost as the cheapest option. They apparently selected that, Ebay calculated their postage as $10.xx and billed them that. Go to ship it just now, and at first got an estimate of $24 for SmartPost and the usual message of "This is only and estimate we'll BILL you the ACTUAL cost when it gets there."
The buyer paid based on his location, and the weight and dimensions you put in the listing. The problem is that the calculator that showed the buyer the shipping cost in the listing and charged the buyer the $10.xx was not considering the dimensions and using dimensional weight. (I assume since you didn't mention the dimensions, but I'll bet it was something like 12x12x11 or approx 1440 cu-in)
If you go to the Fedex site, I couldn't find anywhere that they quote Smartpost in their standard prices linked from the home page menu.
So I'm not sure WHERE Eb is getting their rates to charge the buyer, but I'm not trusting them to calculate them properly for Smartpost at this point and listing ONLY Priority rates for now.
As I said, the incorrect eBay rates being charged to the buyer are because that calculator is not using dimensional weight. The label calculator is correctly* using dimensional weight and those amounts are correct.
There are no Smartpost rates on the FedEx site - it is not an option available to "normal" FedEx accounts, but only to "high volume" shippers, or those just high volume enough to get it added to their accounts (50+Smartposts/month maybe?) eBay is high volume and negotiated it for us.
* there's a dim weight divisor bug that I'm not sure the status of right now.