12-02-2020 11:00 AM
Hi,
I'm selling some personal items on eBay - I am not a business or a huge seller. I sold a decorative bowl, packaged it very diligently and well (so far of the many breakable items I've shipped, it's the only one that's arrived in pieces. The original shipping option of ground delivery through USPS wasn't available on eBay even though it was what was listed, so I paid out of pocket to "upgrade" (downgrade?) the shipping to UPS. The package arrived in shattered pieces and looked like the truck had driven over it a few times before they decided to launch it at my customer's door.
eBay had zero to say about helping me on this. They want nothing to do with it at all. Great.
I refunded the buyer immediately and she's been quite gracious about the whole thing. But I am still out the cost.
I'm now in my 6th week of trying to get photos and receipts to UPS to accompany the claim, with the submission window about to close. I've talked to every department possible. I cannot use the UPS dashboard because the label was purchased through eBay. eBay has nothing they can do and no direct 'line' to initiate a claim - they just keep reading off of a script when I call and are not helpful at all. I finally got a generic 'non-dashboard' link to upload claim documents and UPS wants the shipping account number. The shipping account number on the claim is eBay's shipping number apparently because I bought the label through ebay and so, upon trying to submit the claim documents, it blocks it and says I cannot upload anything using that shipping account number. UPS has ZERO idea how to fix this. They also just read off of scripts and actually at one point said, "The seller has to put in the claim" (I had said at least 25 times by this point that I AM THE SELLERRRRRRR and she goes, "no it has to be (my username)). Holy cow.
I have everything ready to mail, but I don't trust them to actually approve the claim and I don't want to be out the additional cost, especially when I should be able to upload these documents online.
Does anyone have a magic solution to get these evidential documents over to UPS to accompany my claim? I have probably spent 30 hours trying to resolve this and reading forums for a stupid $31, but I'm so livid about it at this point that I would like to persist in trying to get my money back. Thank you for any ideas.
12-02-2020 12:29 PM - edited 12-02-2020 12:29 PM
Both UPS and FedEx will only deal with the Account Holder of Record, which is eBay. And like you found out, eBay will not help. Great little scam they've got going. It would make for a great class action lawsuit, but that won't happen until they have a lot more people **bleeped** off. My advice, and I'm sure eBay's too, is write it off as the "cost of doing business on eBay". Be thankful it wasn't a lot more money.
12-02-2020 12:43 PM
You have learned a lesson.. never ship anything breakable UPS. Truly they are the ruffest on packages and the hardest to manage claims with.
UPS is new at working with EBay so unfortunately it's hard to give advice. I have never had good luck with UPS claims so if it were me, I would just take the loss. However, if you want to pursue it, I would mail in the evidence.
Fed-ex is much easier but, they still require you to fax or mail certain things because the account is in Ebay's name. I would bet UPS is the same and you will require to mail certain items to complete your claim.
Ebay will not help you with anything related to Fed-ex, UPS or USPS. I always keep this in mind when I am shipping. I still use Fed-ex on a very regular basis, because they are the best for large items but, I pack items accordingly.
12-02-2020 01:33 PM
The damage/loss claim process for UPS/FedEx labels purchased via eBay shipping is described on an eBay help page entitled "shipping insurance". Sorry, but eBay balked at my attempt to include the direct URL link and deleted it.
I haven't used the process (thankfully, so far haven't need it) , so I can't comment if it does indeed work, but I noticed that the Lost Item claim form link for UPS described in the text already doesn't work. For damaged items it appears you must fill out and then submit a Excel spreadsheet to UPS to a specific email address.
Although UPS and FedEx shipping using eBay shipping may seem quite lucrative from a cost perspective, having eBay as the shipper of record appears to be a HUGE disadvantage when it comes to loss or damage claims. I much preferred the "old way" of UPS shipping where the buyer information was transferred to UPS and you used your own account with an eBay discount applied. This worked well, and gave you full direct access to UPS customer service 24/7.
In my case, I find myself in a difficult situation. If I do not use Bay shipping for large/heavy items that necessitate shipping via UPS or FedEx, my shipping charges are very often not at all completive with other sellers. If I do use eBay shipping, when a package inevitably gets lost or damaged, I must be prepared for a complex claim process that in my opinion will have little chance of success, and will likely **bleep** off buyers as I must mess around submitting spreadsheets via email in the hope of a quick resolution. eBay's current shipping options for UPS/FedEx are a no win situation for us small sellers that don't have access to volume discounts on direct accounts available only to volume shippers.
Good luck to you resolving this issue. If you do choose to go the claims route, please let up know how it plays out as I'm sure my time will come.
12-02-2020 01:53 PM
While I don't have a solution to your UPS problem I can offer you a way around buying your labels through other channels that the eBay interface. For USPS which I utilize most often I always have a site called Pirate Ship in my back pocket. You can purchase and print USPS labels through Pirate ship for almost exactly the same rates you get through eBay. They also have the USPS cubic shipping option which eBay does not. You can then upload the tracking information to eBay.
I seldom use UPS or FedEx simply for the size of the items I send they cannot compete with USPS as far as rates or providing insurance coverage. USPS priority mail automatically comes with set levels of insurance up to $100 depending on the type of shipping you used. I have on occasion shipped items UPS or FedEx but for those I have taken the package to the UPS or FedEx shipping center and purchased the postage at the store, with cash.
I did have one USPS shipping claim that involved, believe it or not, a cast aluminum statue. Like your package this one not only looked like it had been ran over by a truck but actually had, the tire marks were still on the box. USPS settled pretty quickly on that one.
12-02-2020 02:37 PM
"I'm selling some personal items on eBay - I am not a business"
Yeah, I have said the same, here. And the eBay Loyalists always hit back with, it doesn't matter how many items you sell on eBay, nor of the items origin. What the eBay Loyalists say, even if you only sell one item on eBay, guess what, yep, you own a business.
It appears you are seeking an insurance claim through UPS, and eBay would be the entity whom would have to enact the claim, and it appears they are not interested in doing such, and why, well, that an easy one, what's in it for them: it's just business.
You know, although many shipping insurance claims are honored, and that's good. But keep in mind if you read the small print in shipping entities' insurance policies, it will "most likely" indicated that the shipping container of any product must be approved by the product's manufacturer. So with that said, the time and effort to jump through all the hoops that might be placed in one path to recover any losses through their insurance policies, well, if the amount is small, it's best to keep it small, as the more time you put towards it, well, such only increases the losses.
I know the feeling, though, like in, it's the principal of it.
Good luck
12-18-2020 11:41 AM
Thanks everyone for your input and suggestions. They are much appreciated and helpful!
I don't have a complete resolution yet, but I did end up sending multiple emails with my documents, photos and a letter attached explaining my frustration at being unable to resolve my claim to this email:
It took them over two weeks to respond (from this email address: claimsstatus@ups.com) but I did receive an email today saying they "show my claim was approved." Um.... NFI on how I'll get reimbursed or when... I'll believe it when I see it. In the meantime I spoke to Paypal about blocking payment for that label - "oh yes ma'am we will follow up on the issue." I was charged the next day.
12-18-2020 11:44 AM
Thank you for this! I've never heard of this site, but will most definitely check it out!
Tire marks on the box.... holy cow.