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An observation on the current shipping crisis

What is so irksome to me about this worst-sliggishness-ever USPS Christmas season is how facilities don't appear to be moving packages in the order they were received. Now, I can't assess that on items I've ORDERED, but items that people have ordered FROM me, I can compare with a huge sample number, because they all go through the same 2 first steps: acceptance from me, and then acceptance at the main distribution hub in my city. I'm seeing many packages getting stuck there, while others that I shipped LATER moving right along. It's like once a bin gets a huge dump of packages, they only grab from the top, and keep doing it that way regardless of more dumps on top, to hell with the packages that have been at the bottom for days. Oh, and for some reason lots of packages aren't even getting their first acceptance scan, even ones that I HEARD my mailman scan on my porch when he picked them up!

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@thestaravenue* wrote:

What an awful story and I can’t believe EBay sticking it to you like this. I potentially may have the same issue. Just started “time away” today and focusing sales on another platform. Can you give a hint to which other one you’re using?


Maybe Etsy - you can say that there, no need to use code.  My Etsy, Poshmark and Mercari stores are still going, but I shuttered this one until after Christmas and will be closing Etsy soon.  My customers are wonderful but I really don't want to push the envelope insofar as getting their items to them in time.  The rest are social media and I'm not too concerned about that.


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@magsmg101 wrote:

@pooh333piglet

I have to ask if that even works now?
Why would USPS expend any effort to return the item if they can not find and/or deliver it to the buyer?


Other than someone taking the time to put the return intercept sticker on the package(if found) it is basically a machine handled process for which they would get not only the original shipping cost, but an additional approx $15 intercept fee.

 

If the package was already at the buyer's Post Office a bit more effort may be required to snag it, but again not much additional effort expended.

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I would gladly pay $15.00 in addition to the $9.00 original postage to have a $200.00 item returned.


I get the “machine handled process” bit, however it seems to me the machines are down and not handling anything.

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Well it generally works but there is some chaos going on where it Could be missed and delivered. You only pay if USPS intercepts it. I forgot to add you also pay the postage back. Other choice is it will get delivered and the buyer may or may not pay. 

Your package is not lost nor is it due to an employee not finding it. It's in a bin with thousands of other packages waiting for its turn to move on. Usps didnt even look for it. I just got an update a few hours ago on a package to TX. This was my oldest package out there but I have others too.

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@magsmg101 wrote:

I would gladly pay $15.00 in addition to the $9.00 original postage to have a $200.00 item returned.


I get the “machine handled process” bit, however it seems to me the machines are down and not handling anything.


That does seem to be the case, but if/when the machine runs the hope is that it gets "intercepted".  We would hope that any scan would give an alert to the "intercept" request item location causing a correct action to be taken.

 

I have not used the process. We have some item out there now, but our items generally do not justify the added cost of the return.

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Worth a shot but I wouldn't have any faith in the USPS executing the package intercept faithfully if they're not even delivering anything remotely on-time. I predict they'll take the nonrefundable $14.95 and just deliver the package to the buyer anyway before they've ever caught up to the need to intercept and re-route it.

 

What a cluster.

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If the system works on delivery scan it should indicate intercepted, and they shouldn’t deliver it...

 

At least UPS or FedEx would certainly be able to handle it.   USPS likely doesn’t scan packages on delivery... they more than likely retroactively Mark them delivered sometimes 

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+1, agree 100% on the strange movement of packages.  No rhyme or reason to it. Some packages wait a week to just get to the sort center and others shipped the very next day get processed overnight. Plus, once a package goes off the grid in my experience it's gone in a USPS black hole for weeks. Have some that started bouncing between facilities and then they just go dark for a month.  

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Thanks this was helpful. Did not know one could file an intercept with USPS.

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Agree that the USPS is a hot mess right now.  I have the same issue with some packages getting lost for days or weeks while later shipped ones fly to their destinations.

 

Heard a tv news report that USPS is at the breaking point.  Across the US over 1 million semi trailers sitting in lots waiting to be offloaded before processing and sorting can even begin.  More semi trailers arriving daily than lot space to park them.  Overflowing warehouses without enough employees to move the packages.  USPS sorting facilities reported to be up to 8 days or more behind in processing.  Reports of lost and late delivery packages overwhelming with no employees to handle the searches.

 

What exactly is the millions of dollars in holiday season postage surcharge paying for?  Do we get postage refunds for every late, lost or damaged package? 

 

Postmaster DeJoy will be known as the man who ruined Christmas for many.  Especially those counting on the USPS to deliver their order when eBay says they will.  And the sellers who will lose thousands of dollars due to late delivery refunds and lost merchandise. 

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"Do we get postage refunds for every late, lost or damaged package? "

If your package is insured (including all Priority Mail), you can file a claim for a lost package 15 days after purchase. If an insured package is lost, then USPS refunds the postage as well as the demonstrated item value. The only refunds for late packages are if you invest in Express Mail.

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Total disaster.

Not selling again until after the holidays. Have items I purchased (non-ebay) languishing somewhere in the USPS system, One coming from mid-west to me east coast went backwards from a processing station in Illinois to Omaha NE.

 

eBay has the wherewith all to intervene between buyers and sellers to set platform wide expectations given the situation. Needs to be more than a waiver here or there. They need to come out and say that the situation is a disaster, provide guidance for buyers on arrival expectations and how they will handle INR complaints until the situation clears, and let sellers know how they should handle the situation and how eBay will handle claims.

 

eBay may say they are just a platform but this is an extraordinary situation and they should rise to the occasion. Don't think anyone for @ebay reads these board s. The need to have seen an increase INRs related to shipping issues.

 

eBay has the clout to help resolve this at least internally. 

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That's great info.  Never knew of a package intercept.  Yep still a loss for me of the original shipping and the additional fee, but I'll get the item back (if available) to resell for another $160.  I'm going to do just that since EBAY will not communicate with buyers about understanding shipping delays and not to (always) blame the seller.  In fact they just take our money and dont give a care of the sellers loss.  

 

I literally leave Ebay open just as pocket money.  All my biz has shifted to Etsy and my own site.  22 years as a seller and this is the support they give sellers.  I'd rather they just spit on my food.

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I believe you are only charged if they actually do the intercept. Then its nonrefundable

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OP here.  Okay, today I accidentally stumbled on a similar conversation, and someone whose best friend is a sorting facility worker told him something HUGE, how the out of sequence movement thing makes sense.  Or let me reword that; it explains it, but I'd call it a far cry from making sense.  Basically it makes as much sense as illogically **bleep** things that people do when imprisoned, shipwrecked or other desperate, helpless situations; the suffering might explain it but not excuse it. 

Basically, of course, the USPS is currently stressed well beyond their limitations with far more Christmas e-commerce than ever before, fewer employees to handle it, and being a semi-public company, they don't have the option of refusing any new business like FedEx and UPS can (and apparently are; they are reportedly withholding their service from some commerce partners, temporarily, to avoid exactly what's happening to USPS).  I'm sure we can't even imagine the despair that postal employees are going through right now.  But like any multi-tier job, pressure comes from the top and only increases on its' way down, and it all boils down to workers being incentivized to regard each packages with this BINARY criteria:

Can it possibly get delivered by the expected delivery date?  If yes, keep it moving.  If no, set it aside INDEFINITELY.  This is because the % of on-time deliveries is the ONLY measure by which some supervisors are evaluated and have their bonuses granted or denied.  This guy didn't go into specifics like whether any supervisors are evaluated for % with opened claims or whatever--I'm sure there are such mechanisms, and I'm sure they are having one hell of a conflict right now.  But % on-time is the only focus  the lowest-level sorters are burdened with, so when it's all chaos and hellish nightmare anyway, a 1-day late package is no better than a 1-month late one.  And this assessment could be made at any facility along the way, in the origin city, a transitional hub, or the destination city.  Any location a package finds itself that is particularly hairy puts it on the crucible of "worth trying" or "sacrificed indefinitely."  

And have you noticed some packages you sent (or ordered) that have a tracking number but haven't been scanned even once since the label purchase (still say "pre-shipment, USPS awaiting item")?  Well look at the Delivery Date...oh wait, there ISN'T one; it's Delivery Date Unknown.  --How are they supposed to predict a date for your poor buyer whose money you have, when your lazy butt won't even give them the package to start moving it?  Except YOU KNOW YOU DID..... but how can you prove it, prove it to your buyer, prove it to Ebay who is counting it as a demerit, EVEN PROVE IT TO USPS, who HAS the package, but how could any search specialist employee know that?  You get what I'm saying?  Obviously employees are now incentivized to not even do acceptance scans, because that is what starts the clock, that is what makes the package a threat to them. Whether they'll finally do the initial scan days later, or never, you have zero control over.  

Now, if you read through replies on any online discussion about this, you invariably see tons of self-righteous "That's why WE don't rely on pickups, WE take our packages to the post office, wait in line if necessary, and WE make the desk employee scan the packages in front of us and give us a receipt." Well, have a cookie if you have the transportation, time, and whatever else some people don't have (I know my hip would not handle an hour-long wait in line, holding a bunch of packages).....but here's the thing: this smug suggestion isn't even the guaranteed solution those people think it is.  I have watched my (wonderful) carrier dude scan pickups, "beep" and all, on my porch, and somehow STILL not seen the acceptance in tracking for days.  And in these discussions I've been reading, I've seen people say the same thing about packages scanned at the desk, and their paper receipt not even doing any good against buyer claims.  

Here is where this long 'essay' post should have at least one concluding remark, but at this second I'm honestly at a loss for words.  Like I replied to someone else, I certainly wish I could afford to just shut my store down the rest of the month, and if you can, you should at least consider it.  But if like me you can't, at least you should know what's actually going on, and don't put absolute faith in the idea that "They're doing the best they can".  They're not.  They're doing the best they can for as many as they can, but for many others they're doing the WORST they can. 

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