06-09-2017 12:11 PM
(To begin, sorry this is so long, but there are some crucial details I need to make clear!)
Last week, I was looking for some good deals on some supreme clothing under the filter "Newest Listed" becuase sometimes you can find really good deals. I noticed a supreme t-shirt that was a relatively good deal, but only had one picture (which was moderately grainy). I myself have a fair ammount of clothing made by supreme so I had a good idea what a real shirt looked like, so In the heat of the moment, I bought it without adequate research ( things can sell really quick, sometimes ive clicked on supreme items and before the page could even load they would be sold!). Of course, after buying it was when I did more research and was when I realized that supreme used red tags instead of white when that specific shirt was made (normally supreme shirts do have a white tag, when I bought it, I thought the shirt was SUPPOSED to have a white tag). Another huge red flag I shouldve noticed was that the tag itself was folded up in the photo so you couldnt see the front of it either. From this, I could reason that I just had spent $230 on a fake tshirt (Yes, I know $230 for a Tshirt is absurd, but I wasn't going to wear it, I was planning on reselling it for even higher), plus the seller did have another shirt with real tags that I wanted to buy, so I immediately tried to cancel the order. Of course, the seller denied it because he apparently had shipped the shirt already (which I doubt now because after I got the tracking number it said it was accepted at the post office the day after he supposedly "shipped it"). So I figured that the best thing to do was to wait until I received the item and then explain to the seller that the item was unauthentic with pictures showing why. A few days passed and the shirt arrived, and lo and behold, it was fake. Not only was it fake, but it was a gildan/plain white t shirt with a supreme heat transfer ironed onto it. The first thing I did was open a refund request under "Item not described- counterfeit" and thoroughly explained that the shirt was fake with pictures from my own collection of real shirts as well as what the tags are supposed to look like (I did this politely enough even though you probably should know that supreme shirts have atleast ONE tag that says supreme on it). The seller got back within a couple hours saying pretty much "well the item in the picture is the item I sent you, no returns". Yes he did have no returns in the listing, however, the listing said "supreme" in the title, "supreme" under the brand, and "supreme" in the description, and this shirt isn't supreme. Had the shirt been real, I understand I couldn't return it, but "no returns" doesnt cover a fake item. Since the seller was new (Zero feedback, I was a complete idiot when I bought this shirt please forgive me), I explained that putting "no returns" and "as is" in your listings doesn't cover a fake Item. The seller then sent a message saying " well, I wasn't 100% sure it was real, it looked real so I sold it as real, you shouldve done more research before you bought it, sorry no returns.", now I know that really helps my case, however, after arguing some more the seller is claiming "the shirt is real, its the same shirt from the picture, no returns, open a case but I followed ebay policy". I have been selling on eBay for almost 3 years now, and I am fully aware of the policy, and I know eBay has absolutely zero tolerance with fakes/counterfeits/replicas/unauthorized items. Even if the seller had sold it as "fake" (which they didnt, they sold it as real and doubled down that it was real) it is still against ebay policy. Some other discoveries I have found is that the seller tried to sell the exact same shirt with the exact same picture as a "replica" a week prior to when I ordered it, but now apparently it is "real". I also reverse image searched the sellers items and found out that they are using images of other goods from other peoples listings (huge red flag). I have no doubt that the shirt is fake, and probably all of his other items, however, eBay cannot step in until 3 business days after I opened a return request (unless of course the seller refunds me which is highly unlikely). Am I protected? Should I call ebay to see if they can step in earlier or should I just wait it out until monday? Yes, the seller DID ship me the shirt from the picture, but he said it was supreme 3 times and assured me it was real before he shipped it, then he told me after it got here that "he was never sure it was real", and then flipped back to his original statement that it was real. I am willing to return it to the seller for a refund or even "properly dispose" it (as ebay states with replica items). Im just really confused and I want my money back. I know the eBay team is usually very fair, but I know they cannot be experts on everything, and I want to make sure I have adequate information to prove it is fake! Any suggestions!
06-09-2017 12:19 PM
As long as you have "well I wasn't 100% sure if it was real" in your ebay messages, then I think you will be successful at returning the shirt. If the seller wouldn't have said that, then the chances would be slim you'd get your refund. Definitely keep going with the return process and make sure you copy and paste his messages to you. On another note, never buy clothing when there is only one, grainy photo; that in itself is a big red flag, and definitely don't buy something that expensive from someone with next to no feedback; always go to a trusted, long-time experienced seller. Good luck!!
06-09-2017 12:20 PM
Ebays money back guarentee trumps the sellers no return policy
06-09-2017 12:41 PM
@thebluejewel wrote:As long as you have "well I wasn't 100% sure if it was real" in your ebay messages, then I think you will be successful at returning the shirt. If the seller wouldn't have said that, then the chances would be slim you'd get your refund. Definitely keep going with the return process and make sure you copy and paste his messages to you. On another note, never buy clothing when there is only one, grainy photo; that in itself is a big red flag, and definitely don't buy something that expensive from someone with next to no feedback; always go to a trusted, long-time experienced seller. Good luck!!
@highdesertart The statement from the seller about not being sure it was real means nothing and has nothing to do with whether or not the buyer can get a refund. The money back guarantee trumps all and ALL the buyer has to do is open a case. They need no proof as eBay will not investigate. Without that statement chances are NOT slim OP would have gotten a refund.
06-09-2017 12:47 PM
open a not as described case... have proof...not just i think it is fake...but open a case..
Accidentally? i think you thought it was too good to be true....it was....
now..follow the ebay procedures ...return, not as described...which ever...
06-09-2017 02:38 PM
That is exactly correct; you're getting good advice.
You won't have to bring your item to be authenticated until after it has already been returned to the seller.
https://community.ebay.com/t5/EBAY/STINKS/m-p/27066848#M191253
06-09-2017 03:15 PM
I can't read that without paragraphs, sorry.
06-09-2017 04:09 PM
@missjen831I get where you're coming from but I disagree; the money-back guarantee doesn't trump all. I've had potential returns from only a handful of buyers who tried to return something, for things they didn't see in the listings. I made sure I showed the messaging to ebay, and in my cases the buyer didn't win. If the seller says "I'm not sure", then that's like saying it could be real or it couldn't. If I were the buyer, I'd push for that return just based on that statement.
06-09-2017 04:25 PM
The poster in this case opened a SNAD claim. This is not just a simple request to return (remorse, didn't fit etc).
In a SNAD claim, the buyer WILL win, period.
Missjen is absolutely correct.
06-09-2017 05:12 PM
To clarify to some people, It is not as though I feel as though it is fake or im questioning it being fake, I am 100% sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is fake, and have photo evidence of a real one vs the one I received showing clearly the tags on a real one compared to the one I received. I also have proof from messages that even the buyer said "i was never 100% it was authentic " (although they now claim its real, which really doesn't matter after saying something like that.). The main thing I am wondering is if the seller can get away with it because the item in the picture WAS the item I received, however, the shirt was described as a supreme t-shirt in the title, the description and even under "brand" the seller put "supreme", and before he shipped me the shirt he reassured me that the shirt was an authentic shirt. When I bought the item i had the impression I was purchasing a real supreme shirt, until I did a little more research and found out that it was a replica. Does my ignorance at the time of when I bought it warrant the seller to sell a shirt as real when it wasn't is really what I am saying.
06-09-2017 05:22 PM
On top of the seller saying they were not 100% sure it was authentic, they also told me that if the shirt was indeed is fake then I shouldve done more research before buying the shirt, and also said they put "as-is" in the description. Last time I checked "as-is" doesnt cover a shirt that turns up to be counterfeit, does it? Correct me if I am saying anything wrong, I try to be fair because I buy and sell on ebay and know the struggles of both worlds.
06-10-2017 02:43 PM
Your post is too long, too rambling, has too many details and not enough paragraph breaks. For future reference, this rework would have fit the bill:
Last week...I bought a supreme t-shirt.....
It arrived, Not only was it fake, but it was a gildan/plain white t shirt with a supreme heat transfer ironed onto it. The listing said "supreme" in the title, "supreme" under the brand, and "supreme" in the description, and this shirt isn't supreme
The first thing I did was open a refund request under "Item not described- counterfeit".
eBay cannot step in until 3 business days after I opened a return request. Am I protected? YES. Should I call ebay to see if they can step in earlier? NO.
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Now, the only thing I couldn't figure out was, WHO were you sending pictures of the real vs fake shirt to? Did you upload them in the resolution center? Once you open a return request, all communication should cease between you and the seller. If they don't accept the return and issue you a return label in the time frame alloted, then you hit the Ask eBay to Step in button. Get the label, send the shirt back, make sure the tracking number is entered into the case and bingo. When it gets scanned delivered back to the seller, you get your refund.
06-10-2017 03:23 PM
-A few other people have said the same thing about the format of the post, I'm sorry if it was hard to read/rambled. I was just trying to get every detail out and really wasn't thinking that far ahead.
-I was sending pictures through the refund request to the seller of the shirt they sent and pictures of a real shirt to compare, as well as other pictures which helped me argue my case (i.e. screenshots of his listing, screenshots of his listing a week prior where he used the word "replica".) I sent him messages and pictures through the refund request because I thought that's what I thought the refund request stage was for; to give proof/evidence why I wanted my refund. I also messaged him through the resquest because anything that he said through that could be used as proof for my case (i.e saying he never was sure the shirt was real). In the future, if not communicating with the seller at this stage is reccomended, then I won't, I just figured thats what this stage was for, figuring a solution.
- The seller is urging me at this point to open the case (I stopped messaging them 2 days ago, but the last message I received was pretty much a caps-lock message saying that they followed policy, the shirt wasn't fake, etc.) And I will.
06-15-2017 04:44 PM
I'm still not reading anything without paragraphs.
06-15-2017 09:21 PM
@vapor-wave wrote:-A few other people have said the same thing about the format of the post, I'm sorry if it was hard to read/rambled. I was just trying to get every detail out and really wasn't thinking that far ahead.
-I was sending pictures through the refund request to the seller of the shirt they sent and pictures of a real shirt to compare, as well as other pictures which helped me argue my case (i.e. screenshots of his listing, screenshots of his listing a week prior where he used the word "replica".) I sent him messages and pictures through the refund request because I thought that's what I thought the refund request stage was for; to give proof/evidence why I wanted my refund. I also messaged him through the resquest because anything that he said through that could be used as proof for my case (i.e saying he never was sure the shirt was real). In the future, if not communicating with the seller at this stage is reccomended, then I won't, I just figured thats what this stage was for, figuring a solution.
- The seller is urging me at this point to open the case (I stopped messaging them 2 days ago, but the last message I received was pretty much a caps-lock message saying that they followed policy, the shirt wasn't fake, etc.) And I will.
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