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ebay has gotten out of control. I’m literally selling a product that I bought at Marshall’s and is also in boxycharm boxes, and the brand stand in sky decided to make a complaint and have it taken down. There is no rule with their brand against reselling and if you don’t want your products re-sold then you can’t be putting them in third party stores like that. My accounts not restricted for three days and this isn’t the first time this has happened. unacceptable and utterly pointless to sell on this site anymore. their algorithms have changed and sales are down 70%

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vero removing listing and restricting

Because you had one of your listings removed for a vero violation, it's pointless to sell on ebay anymore???

Long Train Runnin' - The Doobie Brothers
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vero removing listing and restricting

Sorry to hear that.  I understand how frustrating that is, but once they or the computer latches onto you you can expect the floggings to continue.  They did this to me week after week on uncertified coins which there were no problems with. It took me weeks and money to have these certified to just prove to the eBay Gods that they were incorrect. It may also be one of your competitors that is ratting you out for no reason also.  I believe that is what was happening to me. CS will never have an answer for you and they will never be able to help you, sad to say. Hang in there as this will pass.  Just refrain from listing those items for a while.  Good luck!

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Review this page for information on appealing the VeRO violation @thernand7:

https://www.ebay.com/sellercenter/ebay-for-business/verified-rights-owner-program

 

You'll need to contact the company that reported your listing as a first step.

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i emailed whoever they put on there but it doesn’t ever go anywhere 

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And did you see the link I posted that says if they don't respond within 5 days you can contact eBay to appeal?

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https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/Good-News-Just-Fought-and-Won-another-False-Vero-Claim/td-p/33...

 

 I made this thread recently. I gave an example of a pretty aggressive email I sent to get them to finally respond to me in hopes that would help other people like you.

 

Good luck and keep fighting these unjust takedowns!

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Which does nothing.

 

If they don't respond to ebay either, you're just out of luck and can't relist them.

 

BTDT

"If a product doesn't sell, raise the price" - Reese Palley
"If it sold FAST, it was priced too low" - also Reese Palley
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If the removal came from eBay VeRO then it was the brand that complained. VeRO violations are not initiated by eBay, only by brand and registered IP owner complaints. You should always contact the brand first before sending a reply to eBay unless it's a copyright infringement. Under DMCA, eBay has to notify the copyright holder of your response. All other IP infringements don't fall under DMCA and generally are more difficult to sort out because you have to prove to the brand you have the right to sell the product. eBay is completely out of that process.

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There are some brands that simply don't want their products on any resale platform. Hence, they ask the platforms to remove the product from their respective site. Just don't resell that particular item on ebay & move on by selling other things. If you feel it still isn't a justifiable reason, then seek permission frp, the manufacturer to resell the items & then provide ebay with the proof. 

 

Good luck!

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Well, if it is any consolation I sell, among other things, items commemorating the U S Marine Corps. They are extraordinarily strict in protecting their brand. I buy them all from a licensed distributor.

 

I have had 3 separate take downs over the past 3 years.

 

In each case I clicked the response email and sent the USMC a letter from the distributor that they were licensed and I am a customer. The Doctrine of Fist Sale applied and in all 3 cases the USMC recalled their complaint. I received a note from eBay confirming that I could relist and I did.

 

The point being that it is possible to successfully appeal. BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT.  Don't come on these boards and complain - contact the VERO complainer and make your case.

 

The USMC explained that while they have a list of their licensed distributors/manufactures there is no way to know about third party sellers UNLESS WE CONTACT THEM AND INFORM THEM WE EXIST.

 

 

"Laissez-faire capitalism (AKA The Great Material Continuum) is the only social system based on the recognition of individual rights and, therefore, the only system that bans force from social relationships." ~ Ayn Rand
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Or do what Tabberone used to do. She was an ebay seller that took on Disney, Mars, the NFL and many more by herself (no attorney). And she won. 

Probably made more on the lawsuits than selling here. 

Google her name and you’ll find her website with tons of info.

The Race is over
The Rats won.
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@richard1rst wrote:

Well, if it is any consolation I sell, among other things, items commemorating the U S Marine Corps. They are extraordinarily strict in protecting their brand. I buy them all from a licensed distributor.

 

I have had 3 separate take downs over the past 3 years.

 

In each case I clicked the response email and sent the USMC a letter from the distributor that they were licensed and I am a customer. The Doctrine of Fist Sale applied and in all 3 cases the USMC recalled their complaint. I received a note from eBay confirming that I could relist and I did.

 

The point being that it is possible to successfully appeal. BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT.  Don't come on these boards and complain - contact the VERO complainer and make your case.

 

The USMC explained that while they have a list of their licensed distributors/manufactures there is no way to know about third party sellers UNLESS WE CONTACT THEM AND INFORM THEM WE EXIST.

 

 


First sale doctrine does not cover purchase with intent of resale.  First sale doctrine basically allows for common citizen to resell something they purchase without purposeful intent to profit.  At least that's how it was explained to my former neighbor down the street who used to or perhaps still does sell toys.  It's also a topic thats been heating up more as folks attempt modify branded items to try avoid protections.  The global inflation economy hasn't helped folks pleas as brands seek to protect their patents, copyrights, trademarks and more.  

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The first sale doctrine applies even if you intend to resell the products. The leading case on the first sale doctrine, Kirtsaeng v. John Wiley & Sons, Inc., was about an eBay seller who purchased books in Thailand that were marked for sale in Asia and resold them in the US where the publisher charged much higher prices.

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@retro_entertainment_collectibles 

Unless a seller is in a contractual agreement with a rights owner and unless that contract disallows the resale of items to ebay, First sale doctrine allows the resale of any item for whatever reason it was purchased as long as such items were obtained legally and from a legitimate source. (Of course items stolen from a hijacked truck would not qualify, nor would counterfeit items purchased from anywhere.)

 

As shown below, there's no limitation to the reason why someone might have purchased legally procured items. You own it and you can do as you please with it.

 

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1854-copyright-infringement-first-sale-...

 

1854. COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT -- FIRST SALE DOCTRINE

Few issues have created greater confusion in criminal copyright prosecutions than the "first sale doctrine." The doctrine is one of the specific statutory restrictions which Congress has placed on the exclusive rights of copyright owners. Criminal defendants frequently resist prosecution by claiming that they believed that the works they were selling had been the subject of a legitimate first sale. Moreover, several criminal copyright convictions have been overturned because of inadequacies in the government's proof on this issue. For this reason, a federal prosecutor should have a clear understanding of the first sale doctrine when considering whether to bring a criminal copyright case.

 

The first sale doctrine, codified at 17 U.S.C. § 109, provides that an individual who knowingly purchases a copy of a copyrighted work from the copyright holder receives the right to sell, display or otherwise dispose of that particular copy, notwithstanding the interests of the copyright owner. The right to distribute ends, however, once the owner has sold that particular copy. See 17 U.S.C. § 109(a) & (c). Since the first sale doctrine never protects a defendant who makes unauthorized reproductions of a copyrighted work, the first sale doctrine cannot be a successful defense in cases that allege infringing reproduction.

 

Further, the privileges created by the first sale principle do not "extend to any person who has acquired possession of the copy or phonorecord from the copyright owner, by rental, lease, loan, or otherwise, without acquiring ownership of it." See 17 U.S.C. § 109(d). Most computer software is distributed through the use of licensing agreements. Under this distribution system, the copyright holder remains the "owner" of all distributed copies. For this reason, alleged infringers should not be able to establish that any copies of these works have been the subject of a first sale.

 

Although courts agree that the first sale principle applies to criminal prosecutions, they do not agree on the burden of proof. Several cases suggest that in criminal copyright prosecutions, the United States must prove that the copyrighted work was not the subject of a first sale. Other cases, however, hold that the issue of a first sale is an affirmative defense that must be raised by the defendant. NOTE: Please consult the Computer Crime and Intellectual Property Section's Intellectual Property Rights Prosecution Manual for a detailed discussion of the first sale doctrine and related case law.

 

 

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