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ebay fees - I am so confused

Hi,


Can someone kindly help me understand how eBay calculates all these fees. Yes, I have read all the help documentation, but still confused.

 

1. I sold an item for $409.50

 
What your buyer paid Item subtotal$409.50
Shipping$21.97
Sales tax*$39.91

Order total**$471.38
What you earned
Order total $471.38
eBay collected from buyer
Sales tax*-$39.91
Selling costs
Transaction fees-$61.11
Shipping label-$14.74
Ad Fee Standard-$28.28

Order earnings$327.34

 

CONFUSIONS:

 

a) Transaction fee of $61.11 which is 14.92% of $409.50 - as eBay now process funds, is this basically replaces Old PayPal transaction fee?

b) Ad Fee Standard $28.28 which is $6.9% of $409.50

 

So I have paid 21.82% of the actual transaction cost in fees!!!

 

Is this normal?

 

Question 2:

If I am running a mark down campaign and offering people 30% off list price and NOT doing any promotion, where this Add fee coming from? Why eBay doesn't tell you up[ front what percentage they will charge you for running a campaign?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Thanks for backing that up. That user still plays with toys.

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Yes this ^

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On ebay we Have to sell Premium Items for less than retail prices yet Ebay charges so much in fee and also you have return policy making your risk of losses even bigger. I tried to explain to ebay agents to talk to management to reduce the amount of fee they charge so more people can sell and we can compete with amazon etc . ebay used to be different a while ago and is way better now as a platform for sellers and buyers  but still ebay needs to work on its fee policy. unless we all start complaining about the fee they will not change it and I want to pay happily a reasonable amount of 2-5% any thing over this amount is not ok do business at ebay since I am reselling.

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CONFUSIONS:

 

     It's not that confusing hopefully the following adds some clarity. This is simple math. 

 

a) Transaction fee of $61.11 which is 14.92% of $409.50 - as eBay now process funds, is this basically replaces Old PayPal transaction fee?

 

     Your FVF fee is calculated on the total cost of what the buyer paid for the item which was $471.38. So the FVF is ($471.38 * .0129) + $.30

 

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b) Ad Fee Standard $28.28 which is $6.9% of $409.50

 

Like the FVF the PL percentage is applied to the total cost of the transaction which is $471.38 you are using a PL rate of 6% which I would hope you already know.

 

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So I have paid 21.82% of the actual transaction cost in fees!!!

 

No what you have paid as a percentage in fees is $89.39 which is 19% of the $471.38 total amount the buyer paid. 

 

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     If you are trying to figure out YOUR cost percentage from the sale that is a different set of calculations. It is calculated by adding up YOUR costs and dividing it by the total cost the buyer paid - sales tax.  I don't have all your data but this is more like doing the calculations for your schedule C.

 

Fees = $89.39

Shipping = $14.74

What you paid for the item = ?

Packing/shipping supplies = ?

Other expenses = ?

 

Cost Percentage = (89.39 + 14.74 = ? + ? = ?) / $431.47

 

 

Is this normal?  Yes. There are TWO models here. One represents eBay's revenue and your payout. The other is YOUR cost/business/revenue model. A lot of sellers try to mix the two and they are unique and separate. 

 

Question 2:

If I am running a mark down campaign and offering people 30% off list price and NOT doing any promotion, where this Add fee coming from? Why eBay doesn't tell you up[ front what percentage they will charge you for running a campaign?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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@dbfolks166mt wrote:

a) Transaction fee of $61.11 which is 14.92% of $409.50 - as eBay now process funds, is this basically replaces Old PayPal transaction fee?


You are comparing the transaction fee to the item price to arrive at the 14.92% figure.

 

But eBay calculates its fees against the total buyer payment, not the item price. So IMHO you are introducing unnecessary confusion by calculating an irrelevant  percentage that has no bearing on how eBay calculates  fees

 

That aside ...

 

 Managed Payments has  a completely different fee structure. Under Managed Payments, you no longer pay a fee to PayPal. That is all you need to know.

 

The Model T made the buggy whip obsolete, but there is no point in trying to figure out what specific part of the Model T did that. 

 

 

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@dbfolks166mt wrote:

a) Transaction fee of $61.11 which is 14.92% of $409.50 - as eBay now process funds, is this basically replaces Old PayPal transaction fee?

You are comparing the transaction fee to the item price to arrive at the 14.92% figure. This is not my calculation but the OP's. 

 

But eBay calculates its fees against the total buyer payment, not the item price. That is exactly how I did my calculations. So IMHO you are introducing unnecessary confusion by calculating an irrelevant  percentage that has no bearing on how eBay calculates  fees. Look at the calculations again.  The black text is from the OP. The blue text and the excel inserts are my response. 

 

That aside ...

 

 Managed Payments has  a completely different fee structure. Under Managed Payments, you no longer pay a fee to PayPal. That is all you need to know. Quite aware of the fee structure under MP. 

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@nobody*s_perfect wrote:

@isaiah53-57 wrote:

YES! You are correct you paid 21.83% of your items selling price in fees....



Of course it's a higher percentage when you take fees as a percentage of just the item's selling price.

 

But the original question was, "Can someone kindly help me understand how eBay calculates all these fees."  And the answer to that question is:  eBay calculates a percentage (recently 12.9%, now 13.25%) of the buyer's total payment.


Of Course, of course its a higher percentage when you take fees as a percentage of the selling price. The fee percentage off the entire sale is smoke and mirror and a large amount of sellers dont even realize it - I answered the question in a way that represents the true fees we are paying to the site - the only percentage that matters -  the percentage of fees in relation to the item's sale price. there are a lot of sellers here who say ohhhh 12.9% isnt that bad(I personally say its ridiculous) thinking thats the amount coming off the top of their item price - unaware that the way that percentage is figured equates to close to 20% of their gross in a true profit model.

 

The OP is at least smart enough to see through the sleight of hand. In answering, I am giving credence to his/her concern concern that the amount of profit ebay is eating is FAR greater than the sites bloated method of accounting fees that adds shipping and sales tax into the transaction, at best, as though they were sources of profit, and at worst, as though they are part of the item price.

 

In short, ebay IS NOT taking 12.9% OF YOUR GROSS in fees - Gross does not include things like tax and shipping that the customer is paying for - They are not profit generators - The amount they take these days equates to closing in on 20% of your gross and then even much more if you for some reason you decide to reward them(and for what reason?) with an additional 8%-10% of the entire sale by using the "recommended rate" of their Promoted Listings Program - which actually equates to an additional estimated 10% to 15% of your gross.

 

Because of this, we receive 1099's from the company that show our gross sales as inflated by 30% or even more.

 

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YES! You are correct you paid 21.83% of your items selling price in fees - It is the only percentage that matters when accounting profit - DO NOT LISTEN to the smoke and mirror and of those posting that you are only paying 12.9% blah blah blah... Also, Dont listen to those who give you advise on promoting an item - You likely dont need to promote an item to sell it, especially if it is in high demand and supplies are limited.

 

     This is the creative accounting used by a LOT of sellers when inflating what they assume are the FVF's associated with the sale of an item. EBay is charging the fees EXACTLY as stated in the fee policy that is published for every seller to read. The fees are applied to the TOTAL amount of the transaction (sale price + shipping + taxes) + $.30. The effective FVF is in fact slightly above the published rate due to the FVF being applied to the sales tax. 

     You are correct about the fees and their association with the actual sellers profit accounting but that is a separate calculation from the sellers business side and distinct from what eBay is charging. 

 

You are 100% correct to be concerned, appalled and questioning at the fees you paid on the sale of your item.

 

     There should be no concern, questioning or bein appalled at the fees being charged every seller should know these in advance. 

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Of Course, of course its a higher percentage when you take fees as a percentage of the selling price. Which sellers should not be doing. The fee percentage off the entire sale is smoke and mirror and a large amount of sellers dont even realize it - I answered the question in a way that represents the true fees we are paying to the site - the only percentage that matters -  the percentage of fees in relation to the item's sale price. That percentage only matters from the buyers cost model and their accounting related to their business. Smart sellers have factored in the FVF costs into their pricing models and are not surprised or shocked when they see the FVF's. there are a lot of sellers here who say ohhhh 12.9% isnt that bad(I personally say its ridiculous) thinking thats the amount coming off the top of their item price - unaware that the way that percentage is figured equates to close to 20% of their gross in a true profit model. This I won't argue but as described before smart sellers are aware of this and have factored it into their pricing so the 20%, if it works out to that, is not a problem. The sellers only concern should be their ROI and whether they are making an acceptable rate of return. 

     As for the 12.9%, or whatever it is now based on the item category, I am in no position to judge whether that is good or bad from eBay's perspective they are a business and their ONLY concern is maximizing value to their shareholders. You are basically buying eBay's service just as customers are buying your product. Try listing a few of your items and in the description state that your gross profit on the item is 80% and see if you get any feedback from potential buyers. 

 

The OP is at least smart enough to see through the sleight of hand. In answering, I am giving credence to his/her concern concern that the amount of profit ebay is eating is FAR greater than the sites bloated method of accounting fees that adds shipping and sales tax into the transaction, at best, as though they were sources of profit, and at worst, as though they are part of the item price. On occasion the shipping IS a source of profit. In the OP's example the buyer paid $21.97 in shipping but the seller cost for the ACTUAL shipping was $14.74 a gross  revenue difference of $7.23 for the seller. 

 

In short, ebay IS NOT taking 12.9% OF YOUR GROSS in fees - Gross does not include things like tax and shipping that the customer is paying for - They are not profit generators - The amount they take these days equates to closing in on 20% of your gross and then even much more if you for some reason you decide to reward them(and for what reason?) with an additional 8%-10% of the entire sale by using the "recommended rate" of their Promoted Listings Program - which actually equates to an additional estimated 10% to 15% of your gross. That I won't argue with one bit that is seller self inflicted cost/damage. 

 

Because of this, we receive 1099's from the company that show our gross sales as inflated by 30% or even more. They are NOT inflated the gross represents exactly that the total gross amount of funds processed by the financial processor similar to the gross that is reflected on your W-2 if you have ever received one. Out of that comes the eBay fees, shipping cost, operating costs, shipping supplies, POV, income taxes, SE taxes and all the other business operating expenses.

     Smart sellers have well developed cost models that factor in all costs in determining a selling price. Other sellers just guess. 

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Ebay over charges on several things. They charge a fee on my shipping costs. They also charge a fee on the taxes  the buyer pays. I was over charged on my item.

 

Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Sports Trading Cards > Sport Trading Card NFTs -  5% on total amount of the sale.

 

I was charged $14.85 on a $100 item I sold that should have been $5 fee. I've noticed on other items they also did the same thing. I want to dispute the charges but if they decide against me they charge $20 for each dispute.   

 

Dispute fee

If you are found responsible for a disputed amount as per ebay policies  (e.g., chargeback), we charge a $20.00 dispute fee, excluding sales tax, for each dispute.

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$150 to sell that item is too much

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The 5% fee is only for NFT's which is not what you were selling.

  The fee for sports trading cards is 13.25% based on the total the buyer paid...item, shipping and tax. That listing wasn't in the trading card category,  it was listed in the sporting goods category which also has a final value fee of 13.25%. Either way, the fvf was not supposed to be 5%.

 

That  $20 dispute fee is charged when a buyer files a claim with their payment provider.  If the seller disputes the chargeback and loses, then there is a $20 fee.   It has nothing to do with disputing the amount that ebay charges it sellers.

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The FVF was not calculated only on $409.50, but on that amount plus the shipping price and the state sales tax.  

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Or make a real effort to learn how the final value fee is really calculated.

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Perhaps it's time to re-read the fee schedule.

The FVF basically is calculated on the item price, the shipping fee and the state sales tax, if any.

You were not overcharged.  On that $100 item, how much was the shipping and how much was the state sales tax?

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