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eBays Policy on Nazi items

I recently decided to sell some of my WWII historical items, including items that either bear a swastika or other related items that are not allowed by eBay's Nazi policy. Before I continue, I have included the poicy below:

 

Not allowedNot allowed

Items that are not permitted include, but are not limited to:

  • Historical Holocaust-related items, including reproductions such as:
    • Uniforms and personal belongings of concentration camp prisoners
    • Jewish identification (armbands, Star of David)
    • Holocaust photos that depict dead bodies, executions, or other violent or degrading scenes
    • Nazi-issued documents (passports, travel papers)
  • Historical Nazi-related items, including reproductions such as:
    • Uniforms, uniform components, weapons, or other items that bear Nazi symbols, whether visible or covered
    • Listings and products in which images are edited or cropped to try and hide Nazi symbols
    • De-Nazified items (items that originally had Nazi symbols that have been removed)
    • Items that were owned by, affiliated with, or books written by Nazi leaders such as:
      • Joseph Goebbels
      • Hermann Goering
      • Rudolf Hess
      • Reinhard Heydrich
      • Heinrich Himmler
      • Adolf Hitler
      • 1936 Olympic medals
  • Any item made after 1933 that bears a swastika (e.g., jewelry, clothing, rugs, fabrics), unless listed in the allowed section above. We are sensitive that the swastika is commonly and legitimately used in religions, including Hinduism and Buddhism. However, given the highly offensive nature of the Nazi swastika, we have decided to not allow any non-historic items bearing a swastika.
  • Media identified as Nazi propaganda or that otherwise promote hatred or racial supremacy including historic and current items

Here is my problem with this policy, they allow some items with the swastika and other items not. That in itself is historical. Also, if those items are banned, then we are basically saying that part of history never existed. I for one will never forget, because my family is Jewish, and I think its disrespectful to all of the Jews that died during that period of time to have that significance banished. History is important, and these items are part of that history. Collectors are actually helping preserve that history and eBay wants to hide that because they are worried about being respectful? Here is an excerpt from an article I read" "Never forget" is a phrase often invoked when contemplating the Holocaust; we must never forget that it happened, so that it might never happen again. Part of keeping that memory alive must involve maintaining the physical evidence of it. Strange as it may at first seem, a market in which history-minded collectors place a monetary value on Nazi artifacts, and in which they buy and sell them to other collectors — or donate them to museums — can serve a role in preserving our collective historical memory. If an object has no value, it will eventually be disregarded and thrown away. That memory will die. And then we will have forgotten."

 

 

What are peoples thoughts on this?

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eBay does not actively remove these items.  If someone reports the auction they will remove it.

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It is ebays policy and it will not change.
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if those items are banned, then we are basically saying that part of history never existed.

 

No one is saying that part of history never existed. eBay as an organization is simply saying they do not want certain items with Nazi symbols displayed on their property.

 

I suspect there are probably Jewish organizations that have similar rules about displaying items with Nazi symbols on their property.  But I doubt anyone would argue they are saying that part of history never existed.

 

IMHO this about eBay's freedom to choose how their property is being used by others.

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" Also, if those items are banned, then we are basically saying that part of history never existed. "

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eBay is an international platform.  It's illegal to sell many of these items to buyers in Germany because of German laws.

 

Also eBay is a company that can allow what it wishes.

This does not diminish history any more than the prohibition on gun sales infringes on the 2nd Amendment. 

 

Lynn


Lynn

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Don't try figuring out which is OK and which is not. NOTHING with a swastika is OK is the best way to think of it. It's no different then people tearing down statues in the south, banning books in schools,  etc. People's ideologies have changed in recent past and it is the new norm. Hide anything evil that ever happened in the world. It's not just Ebay. 

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It seems to us that nazi items are just to much for people to handle with everthing there attached too.  Best regards

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As a fellow Jew who lost family at the concentration camps, if you want to view this go to a museum.  Do not try to makea buck off someone else's misery.

 

I for one am glad ebay has this policy.  And of course some sellers do not care and will list it anyway.  But at least ebay took a stand and I applaud that.

 

 

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What are peoples thoughts on this?

 

There are arguments on both sides.  When I first joined eBay, there were collectors of racist memorabilia, ranging from slavers' whip and manacles, to postcards with parody pictures and postcards, to British product with images of 'golliwogs' etc.  These were in high demand by many buyers, for a variety of reasons, some historical interest, some nostalgic (old Robertson's marmalade jars being an example), and some unsavory.  eBay decided not to allow these product and that was that.  Buyers had to look elsewhere and some sellers used different language to describe their items so they could still sell them under the radar.

 

Ultimately, eBay is just one merchant site, and we have to abide by their policies regardless of whether we agree or disagree with their reasons.  But yes, if enough merchants don't sell or even destroy certain things, a piece of history CAN (just CAN not WILL) be lost, and maybe not for good but for ill.  Forgetting can mean amnesia and repetition of terrible wrongs.

 

A related aside, but less likely to produce strong reaction from US members (British and Australian posters over the age of 50 might have a gut response):

There was a British children's author named Enid Blyton.  At one time she was like Walt Disney in terms of being prolific and ubiquitous, although she was only one person. She wrote over 600 books, had zillions of products (toy cars, games, cards, pictures, etc), and a magazine (Sunny Stories for Little Folks and then Enid Blyton's Sunny Stories and then Enid Blyton's magazines)   More kids learned to love reading because of her during the 40s through 60s than has been seen since (until maybe the Harry Potter books came out)

Anyway - she was guilty of something - being too prolific and failing to be ahead of her time.  She used golliwogs as villains in some of her books, her little character Noddy cried when frustrated and was a bit of a suck to authority (Mr Plod the policeman), boys and girls tended to have stereotyped roles in adventures when it came to really difficult or dangerous things, and she sometimes made fun of people or villainized them if they were foreign (people from Wales had tables groaning with food and said "look you whateffer" and Germans were almost always bad guys with guns)

But most of all, she was a pain in the butt to librarians. Kids liked her books so much that they actually hung around the children's librarian's desk waiting for another kid to show up with an Enid Blyton they hadn't read yet. It was tough being a children's librarian when 10 kids were hanging out looking for just one author.

 

In the late 1950s, the Nottinghamshire Library quietly quit adding her books to their collection.  Took a while for people to notice but when they did, Nottinghamshire Library made up some nonsense excuse saying her books had a 'limited vocabulary' and Noddy was a "poor role model for little boys", and that her books were unrealistic (kids didn't get zits or periods or go to the bathroom) "presenting too rosy a view of the world" and then being 'racist' and 'zenophobic' and it got worse and worse and eventually she was being BANNED throughout the United Kingdom.

 

What does this have to do with anything?  Well, I was very interested in Blyton and took 2 trips to England (in 1976 and 1979 to try to complete my collection)   In 1976, I had a horrible trip.  I only came back with 8 (yes just 8!) books.  But I quickly learned that if I wanted to research the mental rationales of censorship, all I had to do was go into a crowded secondhand bookshop and say in a loud voice "Do you have any Enid Blyton books?"

"Here's what I do with Enid Blyton books!"  75% of the booksellers would say and make a ripping gesture.  Someone would overhear this and an argument would break out and I'd just stand there with my notebook and take notes while people argued over whether this once beloved Children's author deserved to be banned.


In 1979, things had changed. In part thanks to my trip in 1976, and visits to over 60 bookstores and phone calls to over 200 more - I had singlehandedly (well partly singlehandedly) created a fresh MARKET for Enid Blyton books. I'd visited the law firm that managed her estate, and my interest prompted them to start republishing her books after I directed them to one source in Beckenham who had almost every single book she ever wrote (they had lost most of her stuff and went to this source to find the books they were missing.


In 1979, I returned but now there were plenty to be had, but booksellers were wanting 60 pounds sterling for a ratty old copy of Five Have Plenty of Fun with no dust wrapper.  I went home empty handed again because now I couldn't afford the books!

In 2000 I sold my collection on eBay for prices ranging from $20 to $900 each.

The point - times change. Things are banned for reasons that might or might not make sense and sometimes things change back again.  Today, having "too rosy a view of the world' is back in vogue again.  Tomorrow?  Who knows.

 

/thus endeth the tale


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This is eBay's site and they can make any rules that they want. They aren't going to make everyone happy. If they said Nazi items were okay to list, then I'm sure there would be posts here complaining about that.

 

How do you think that not allowing Nazi items to be listed is 'erasing history'? Are there some people who want to erase what happened during WWII from history? Yes. People are going to be offended by anything, wheather it be the Confederate Flag or items with the Nazi symbol on them. These things should not be erased from history, but again, eBay can make any rules they want. If they say no Nazi items, then don't list Nazi items on their site.




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What are peoples thoughts on this?

 

I basically agree.  One of the larger groups of people who collect Thrid Reich items, including militaria, are Jews.  This is partly rooted in the "never forget/never again" mantra. 

 

Removing these items from sight and conciousness aides Holocaust deniers. 

 

Nevertheless, it's eBay's sandbox, and any Third Reich item with a swastika (excepting authentic period coins and stamps) is banned by policy, as are all Third Reich militaria items regardless of presence of a swastika or not due to the prohibition on items that "glorify" Nazism. 

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@*coins wrote:

 They aren't going to make everyone happy. If they said Nazi items were okay to list, then I'm sure there would be posts here complaining about that.


Nail on the head. There was someone here just a short while ago complaining that pictures of celebrities in bathing suits was "porno".

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@luckythewinner wrote:

@*coins wrote:

 They aren't going to make everyone happy. If they said Nazi items were okay to list, then I'm sure there would be posts here complaining about that.


Nail on the head. There was someone here just a short while ago complaining that pictures of celebrities in bathing suits was "porno".


It is child porn if the girl is underage.

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@emerald40 wrote:

@luckythewinner wrote:

@*coins wrote:

 They aren't going to make everyone happy. If they said Nazi items were okay to list, then I'm sure there would be posts here complaining about that.


Nail on the head. There was someone here just a short while ago complaining that pictures of celebrities in bathing suits was "porno".


It is child porn if the girl is underage.


Seriously? 

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Thanks for your input, I actually liked the story a lot. In eBays sensitive move in banishment of these articles, it’s just plain bad business. I mean there is a multi million dollar industry in collecting, and if they start shutting of doors to certain items, they will loose out on profits. And as I said before, my family is Jewish, doesn’t bother us a bit that there is a Nazi swastika on a knife or it was Herman Gorings personal pocket watch, we prevailed, and it actually feels good to own a piece of history that stood for hate because I can look at and know we prevailed. That’s the point most people with “sensitivity issues” can’t see! 

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