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eBay service metrics are a predatory to increase your final value fees by 50%

I am a top rated concierge seller with 100% positive feedback and have been for years. I want to break down the predatory eBay service metric scam for you. On your seller dashboard if you click on "performance" and "service metrics" you will see a chart of "item not as described" and "item not received". What is so predatory about these metrics? eBay claims that they will review and possibly remove these defects if you report a buyer for improperly filing there return claim. That is completely false. I  have always reported buyers who misuse the return feature on eBay and have never had a defect remove. That is because this is a scam for eBay to charge 50% more on your final value fees and remove any top rated seller discounts for the category you are selling the products in that receive the defects. This 50% increase will go on until you drop down into what they consider "industry standard". 

 

I sell a lot of clothing, I take actual photos of all my items, pictures of all the tags inner and hang tags. I also purchase all my items directly from manufacturer outlet stores in my area. They are all 100% authentic. You would be amazed how many defects I get from buyers opening return claims for "doesn't seem authentic" or "doesn't match description or photos" because they say the color is different. Or, they just select one of those without even paying attention when the item may have just "not fit" or they just "did not like it". The worst thing is I offer free returns with all these items. I am not fighting these returns and provide a return label but these defects still post and count against my account. eBay claims that all your peers are under the "same standard", so essentially you are telling me that eBay is screwing all sellers with this policy. This is what happens when a company is publicly owned and is struggling to show year over year growth. They come up with predatory policies to increase profits and shareholder value while decreasing the profits of small business owners like myself who use there service daily. 

 

Even more ludicrous is the "item not received" service metric. Basically if you ship an item to a buyer and the tracking shows as delivered sellers have always been protected and they still are as far as monetarily on that purchase. What is ridiculous is that eBay actually counts that "item not received" against your service metrics even when the post office scans the package as delivered. I have absolutely no control over USPS delivery scans outside of my local post office that I work with. Even more absurd I was told by an eBay concierge representative that I should find another shipping company to work with. Last time I checked there were three options UPS, FED-EX and USPS. The lowest cost most reliable option is USPS. 

 

You would be surprised to see how many buyer with "no feedback" file these return request for "items not described" or "doesn't seem authentic", etc. These are brand new accounts or people with only a few feedbacks opening claims against someone who has been a top rated seller for 15 years. New account should have this feature unavailable, especially when it comes to sellers who have showed consistent behavior of exceptional service year after year. 

 

I am sure this is not the last time you will hear about this topic. 

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eBay service metrics are a predatory to increase your final value fees by 50%

we also sell clothing and we found impossible to avoid getting hit with these service metrics at least once or twice during the entire year.

 

Your mistake is that you assume the eBay did this out of good intentions. Service metrics was designed to generate more fees for eBay using fabricated peer numbers only. Nothing else to it.

 

We decided that on March 31st we will turn off our store and all of our 11,000 items and that's the end of it. We are leaving eBay and we will not look back.

 

eBay like the other silicon valley companies Uber etc are simply middle men who gouged small businesses. Nothing more than that.

 

let's see how well they're doing as they continue to shrink 10% every 3 months here in the United States. By the time they admit they were horribly wrong it will have been too late.

 

Don't get too stressed over it. as a clothing seller you have about another 10 sales channels where you can sell and almost all of them will produce more sales in eBay.

 

Vote with your feet and move on to greener pastures like the many other sellers

 

 

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eBay service metrics are a predatory to increase your final value fees by 50%

The service metrics scam is pretty ridiculous. Luckily you sell clothes so they are plenty of other good sites to sell on. I doubt it will help much, but you might bring it up in the community chat this Wednesday. That is assuming it is general topics like it has been. Overall really starting to wonder if eBay is a sinking ship.
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eBay service metrics are a predatory to increase your final value fees by 50%

Ebay sees all of this as a profit maker. It hurts them in the end as us sellers find better less abusive ways to sell. They get and extra few percent on some sales and lose 100% on other sales that happen elsewhere. I use to do 6 figures here. Now maybe low 5. I use to sell multi $1000s of dollar jewelry items. Now those sales went elsewhere. Ebay traded maybe an extra few hundred dollars they get out of me now for the 30k+ they use to get without trying to screw a few extra percent out of me.
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eBay service metrics are a predatory to increase your final value fees by 50%

This "seller metrics" scam issue comes up once or twice a week and 

It is well known

It's rigged/fixed game and there is nothing you can do to change it.

the seller metrics defect is given so the seller will fall and fail and as a result an additional penalty 5% FVF fee will be collected.  It was initially designed to filter and remove bad sellers but now, it is used as a tool to milk more $$$ from sellers and bring more income to the limping venue.

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You would be surprised to see how many buyer with "no feedback" file these return request for "items not described" or "doesn't seem authentic", etc.

 

I am not surpised at all, because I read about it from sellers all the time on this board. But you might also be sprised to see how many seller *never* have buyers file SNADS, regardless of  how much feedback they have. 

 

 

These are brand new accounts or people with only a few feedbacks opening claims against someone who has been a top rated seller for 15 years. New account should have this feature unavailable, especially when it comes to sellers who have showed consistent behavior of exceptional service year after year.  

 

eBay is in desperate need of new buyers.

 

But telling those new buyers "We have a money back guarantee, but sellers are free to screw you for a year before we will offer it to you" is probably not a good way to attract them. 

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eBay service metrics are a predatory to increase your final value fees by 50%

I was looking at your post again, your listings and items are top notch, complaints are valid,  you've made the venue lots of $$$ in fees.

The "seller matrices"  5% Money Grab issue is well known and quite wrong, what's even more amazing is the general acceptance and the way we are knowingly proceeding like lambs to the slaughter, there most be a way to stop it.

This post already got lost on the bottom of page 2 like so many similar posting before that.

It is so baffling.

 

just another one..

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/Seller-Metrics-The-new-cash-grab-SCAM-from-ebay/m-p/29741402#M...

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eBay service metrics are a predatory to increase your final value fees by 50%

Back in the day eBay would just permanently remove the underperforming seller. This change was made to allow sellers to work their way back. 

While I don’t agree with the higher fees, eBay DOES need to have standards so that buyers are protected. They don’t just exist randomly.

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eBay service metrics are a predatory to increase your final value fees by 50%


@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:

Back in the day eBay would just permanently remove the underperforming seller. This change was made to allow sellers to work their way back. 

While I don’t agree with the higher fees, eBay DOES need to have standards so that buyers are protected. They don’t just exist randomly.


Yep. Sellers came to the board all the time because they were permabanned with no warning over DSRs.  No recourse, no chance to improve, they were just banned forever.

 

Ebay moves to the service metrics to give sellers a chance to improve (albeit with higher fees), and sellers complain.  It IS a better alternative than being permabanned if one wants to sell here.

 

That said, I don't think Ebay should count cases opened improperly (false SNADs) towards the seller, but determining that would be very hard to do since a buyer can lie and a seller can lie. However, you would think that a seller's previous record would be taken into consideration. It's not often that a seller would suddenly go rogue. Most all sellers here care about their reputation and wouldn't knowingly do anything to harm it.  BUT making those determinations would involve some actual human work on Ebay's part, and that means spending money, which we all know isn't going to happen.

The easier you are to offend the easier you are to control.


We seem to be getting closer and closer to a situation where nobody is responsible for what they did but we are all responsible for what somebody else did. - Thomas Sowell
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eBay service metrics are a predatory to increase your final value fees by 50%

Thank you for your reply. I personally have never been subject to the 50% increase in final value fees, but I know a scam when I see it and this service metric scam needs to be removed, so honest sellers are not being preyed on. 

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eBay service metrics are a predatory to increase your final value fees by 50%

I have never been subject to the 50% final value increase, but what I am most upset about is not having defects removed even when it is clear that the buyer is lying or they even admitted they did not mean to select that return reason or did it in error. Not taking a sellers selling history into account is another ongoing issue. It is very easy to buyers to take advantage under the current policies. 

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eBay service metrics are a predatory to increase your final value fees by 50%

Sinking ship... uh-huh. I'm starting to wonder, too.
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While I don’t agree with the higher fees, eBay DOES need to have standards so that buyers are protected. 

 

How does ebay rationalize that the punitive  higher seller fees is a "buyer protection"?   Is it somehow safer to buy from a seller in final value fee punishment camp? 

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The “sinking ship” comment was spot on. Been trying to sell a couple of phones for a week and have had to relist more times than I can count. The ONLY buyouts I get are from scammers.
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@flyingmvp wrote:

It was initially designed to filter and remove bad sellers but now, it is used as a tool to milk more $$$ from sellers and bring more income to the limping venue.


It wouldn't really be necessary for them to use this to determine sellers being "good" or "bad" when TRS is a better indicator of that.


But for whatever reason, non-TRS sellers can easily appear on top of search, despite being a "bad" seller.

 

Meanwhile, they aren't even filtering good/bad sellers without it being based on "decided" cases. And they aren't really protecting buyers since they're only asking for fees, and they admittedly do NOT harm their search placement.

 

It doesn't make much sense. If they wanted to protect buyers at all from bad sellers, they would start giving some value to TRS again. 

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