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‎02-11-2018 08:03 PM
I just got done reading the eBay release about their proposed payment intermediation and once again, they are imposing nonsense on sellers. Not only that, but this is all extremely vague and invokes skepticism about what eBay is really trying to accomplish. If they are trying to be more like Amazon, they need to reverse course immediately. I've been buying and selling on eBay for a decade because it is different from Amazon in many noticable ways. Mimicing Amazon is not the same as competing with Amazon and I will not continue to have an eBay store if this is the case.
From the article:
Specific Customer Benefits
For sellers:
- Lower Costs and More Control of Their Economics. Most sellers can expect their costs of payments processing to be reduced after they transition to eBay’s intermediated payments model, and benefit from a simplified pricing structure and more predictable access to their funds.
- A Central Place to Manage Their Business. eBay is working on solutions to provide sellers with information about their eBay business, inclusive of payments information, in one place so that sellers can easily track and manage all of their transactions and customer interactions on eBay.
- Greater Buyer Reach and Improved Conversion. By offering buyers more choice in how they pay and expanding payment options into more geographies, eBay believes sellers will be able to reach more buyers and improve conversion.
For buyers:
- More Payment Options at Checkout. eBay is focused on providing consumers greater choice in payment options at checkout.
- An Integrated Checkout Experience. eBay will manage the entire checkout experience, delivering a more streamlined experience for consumers.
If eBay were wanting to lower costs for sellers, they would restructure their Final Value Fee system, reduce the fee from 10% to 6%, but then increase store subscription costs by 2%. Or, increase the Top Rated Seller discount from 10% to 15%. My eBay fees are always higher that shipping costs and PayPal fees by at least 2% and on some items, eBay makes more than I do.
Sellers don't need another central place to manage anything. The Seller Hub is the only worthwhile thing eBay has done in the last 10 years and unless they create a system that works exactly like Intuit Quickbooks, I don't see any reason for a central place to manage my business.
I agree that there should be a lot of focus on attracting buyers from other parts of the world but "greater buyer reach" is meaningless unless there are adjustments to import/export regulations and laws. Who cares if someone can pay for an item if their government doesn't allow me to ship it to their country?
How many more payment options do buyers need? The current checkout system works fine and is fast. Everyone who shops online has a PayPal account and if they don't, they still have a credit card from a major issuer and can pay using that. Here's an idea, start allowing Cryptocurrency payments.
Isn't the checkout already "integrated?" You don't have to leave eBay to complete the checkout and if you set your account up properly, it takes just seconds for you to buy an item and then complete the checkout. I know this because I get notifications when customers buy something and then when they pay for it; and the notifications occur within seconds of each other.
What I see, as someone who has been in the retail economy for 14 years, is eBay trying to fix problems that don't exist and innovating without a realistic long-term plan. If eBay truly did care about making the seller's experience better, if eBay has any intentions on retaining sellers, they need to do the following:
-Reduce the Final Value Fees. If eBay remains too expensive to sell products through, sellers will go elsewhere.
-Implement manditory feedback requirements. There are too many buyers who refuse and "forget" to leave feedback for the sellers, this need to end. If a buyer does not leave feedback for a transaction after 15 days, eBay should automatically give the seller 5 star feedback for that transaction.
-Give sellers more control over their interactions and transactions with buyer. Eliminate provisions in eBay Buyer Protection that permit eBay to override a sellers terms and conditions. The buyer is responsible for knowing what they are purchasing, understanding the sellers return and shipping policies as well as reading what the sellers put in the description. eBay should never involve themselves in a transaction unless there is fraud, illegal activity or unless the buyer or seller ask eBay to interveine. Also, the buyer is not purchasing a product from eBay, they are purchasing a product ON eBay from a third party seller who is using eBay as a marketplace.
Bottom line, treat sellers better and make eBay less expensive or we are out.
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‎02-11-2018 08:23 PM
Everyone who shops online has a PayPal account
Only about 15% of online shoppers have a PayPal account, just Alipay on it's own has 200 Million more users than PayPal.
Sellers don't need another central place to manage anything.
It won't be "another" it will be in place of.
I agree that there should be a lot of focus on attracting buyers from other parts of the world but "greater buyer reach" is meaningless unless there are adjustments to import/export regulations and laws. Who cares if someone can pay for an item if their government doesn't allow me to ship it to their country?
What import/export restrictions do you face? I've never faced any and don't know any sellers who have except for a very few select items.
Isn't the checkout already "integrated?" You don't have to leave eBay to complete the checkout and if you set your account up properly, it takes just seconds for you to buy an item and then complete the checkout. I know this because I get notifications when customers buy something and then when they pay for it; and the notifications occur within seconds of each other.
That won't be changing.
-Reduce the Final Value Fees. If eBay remains too expensive to sell products through, sellers will go elsewhere.
Where elsewhere are the fees lower? Do these elsewheres have the same amount of traffic?
Implement manditory feedback requirements. There are too many buyers who refuse and "forget" to leave feedback for the sellers, this need to end. If a buyer does not leave feedback for a transaction after 15 days, eBay should automatically give the seller 5 star feedback for that transaction.
You are not the first to suggest this and you probably won't be the last. No matter it's still a ridiculous idea and what exactly do would you do with that extra feedback?
eBay should never involve themselves in a transaction unless there is fraud, illegal activity or unless the buyer or seller ask eBay to interveine.
eBay encourages sellers and buyers to work out issues between themselves and only steps in when asked by one party or the other.
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‎02-11-2018 08:43 PM - edited ‎02-11-2018 08:44 PM
A couple facts you may or may not know or understand.
- The processing company eBay chose is not owned by eBay.
- They are a very recognized international processor
- almost 60% of all eBay.com purchases are done from international buyers
- Paypal has an additional 1% processing fees for currency conversion
By using a new company to just handle the processing and nothing else
- no guarantees from the processor
- no shipping platform for sellers to use
- no data being stored by a fourth party
- easier case resolutions without a fourth party policies getting in the way
- eBay will be holding your money not the processor
- faster access to your money
Just process the payment and eBay can do all the other stuff. This will result in
- lower processing fees by which they can
- negotiate and or offset currency conversion rates to benefit sellers which should
- entice more sellers to sell internationally which should
- create more transactions, which should create
- more positive revenue for eBay which will
- help out the stock prices and all the investors which will
- gain positive press which will
- bring in buyers
Repeat and refine as needed.
Good Luck Selling!
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‎02-11-2018 08:53 PM
"Only about 15% of online shoppers have a PayPal account, just Alipay on it's own has 200 Million more users than PayPal."
That is really not a fair statement. Most of those users are in China and Asia. I will pass on most of their purchases. Most online shoppers in America or the West who matter to me have PayPal accounts. I have customers who have had bad experiences with PayPal and refuse to use it for any reason, but any online shopper who cannot get a PayPal account, or use a credit card for a PayPal checkout because they do not somehow qualify, is a buyer I really don't want to deal with.
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‎02-11-2018 09:27 PM
Unfortunately ebay corp. has chosen a path that may not be as desirable for some selling members. Only time will tell.
They still have not worked all the details of the agreement out with Adyen. So anything they have said so far is nothing more than hearsay till the deal has been sign.
Read the investor version of the agreement announcement, make sure you read the Foward looking statement there.
GOOD NEWS looks nice but the devil is in the details. ebay has yet to produce any set in stone details.
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‎02-11-2018 09:59 PM
It's not a question of "can't" get a PayPal account it's that many people simply don't have one, never needed one and don't really want to have to sign up for yet another payment system.
Of course it's true that since the PayPal / eBay split shoppers have been able to purchase with guest accounts pay with their credit cards without a PayPal accounts (presuming they don't hit a seller who blocks buyers without a PayPal account). The problem is that the perception of just about everyone who has never registered on eBay (and most who have) is that you need a PayPal account.
Simplified checkout is a "thing" that many buyers want, one-click to buy, one click to check out, using their "at that moment" favored payment method.
I for one just want more buyers on eBay, hopefully to buy my stuff but if they come here for other things I'll have better odds I'll sell them something than if they never come to eBay.
Presumably eBay feels that it could also be profitable for them to take control of payments, it was a big profit center when they owned PayPal no point in them continuing to enrich PayPal especially as the service PayPal provides has few if any advantages other than familiarity amongst sellers. If they want to share a slice of those potential profits by reducing the cost of payments for sellers then that is a good thing.
I have good customers all over the world, I want more of them and there are plenty of them out there with money to spend.
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‎02-11-2018 10:28 PM - edited ‎02-11-2018 10:30 PM
wrote:Unfortunately ebay corp. has chosen a path that may not be as desirable for some selling members. Only time will tell.
They still have not worked all the details of the agreement out with Adyen. So anything they have said so far is nothing more than hearsay till the deal has been sign.
Read the investor version of the agreement announcement, make sure you read the Foward looking statement there.
GOOD NEWS looks nice but the devil is in the details. ebay has yet to produce any set in stone details.
This is puzzling to me. To me, all the details would be worked out before signing a contract and/or announcing an impending change. Of course, it could be they are simply not comfortable with sharing those details now, but information eliminates anxiety. But perhaps they want to see what people's concerns are at first? To be sure they can address them? I don't know.
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‎02-11-2018 11:49 PM
@stillriveroutfitters wrote:
Bottom line, ...
Way too many words.
I'm hoping it will completely replace the silly PP mess here and deal with NPB, chargebacks, etc.
Since y'all like to use the word 'most' so much, I'll postulate that 'most' people only use PP because it was shoved down their throats here. 'Use it or don't buy here' was forced on us. I'll further that 'most' have never used it on any other site and will drop it in a heartbeat once it's no longer mandated here. I know I will.
I might even go so far as to say that 'most ' people don't know what it is. I wish I didn't.
Forget keeping up with the Joneses. Be the Finklegrubers!
OK kids, time to get the Dodge loaded up again. I hear 'Poppy's By the Tree' calling. This trip might be a long one too.
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‎02-12-2018 12:53 AM
What many of you may not know is that this was brought about by Paypal, who did not want to continue with their existing eBay/Paypal contract after it runs out - 2020 I believe - because it stops Paypal from expanding their services into other large ecommerce entities.
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‎02-12-2018 01:22 AM
I wouldn't say they did not want to continue, I think it's more of a case of we don't care enough to cut you a better deal. Only about 18% of PayPal Payments Volume still comes from eBay, obviously that will decline even further over the next 2 - 3 years.
The corporate split was enough for most of the companies they have been going after but you are correct in thinking that the remaining connection might be the last thing blocking them from being accepted on Amazon.
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‎02-12-2018 05:00 AM
slippinjimmy wrote: in thinking that the remaining connection might be the last thing blocking them from being accepted on A...
Youmean beside them having their own directly competing payment service they're trying to expand?
Forget keeping up with the Joneses. Be the Finklegrubers!
OK kids, time to get the Dodge loaded up again. I hear 'Poppy's By the Tree' calling. This trip might be a long one too.
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‎02-12-2018 05:06 AM
Another way for buyers to pay me? Bring it on! I see it as EBay trying to move into the realm of Amazon by making it easier to pay. No paypal, no extra logins, no more "i didn't win my ebay case, so i'll open a paypal case". This has the potential to make sellers, and ebay more money, by bringing more buyers to the table. Now whether or not ebay can pull it off successfully, we'll have to wait and see 😃
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‎02-12-2018 05:12 AM
@jklfindings wrote:Now whether or not ebay can pull it off successfully, we'll have to wait and see 😃
Unfortunately the question around here often becomes 'how could they screw this up so bad?'
Forget keeping up with the Joneses. Be the Finklegrubers!
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‎02-12-2018 05:33 AM
Always amazing how much we think we know about running someone else's business...........
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‎02-12-2018 05:39 AM
wrote:
@jklfindings wrote:Now whether or not ebay can pull it off successfully, we'll have to wait and see 😃
Unfortunately the question around here often becomes 'how could they screw this up so bad?'
All I can think of is how well they did with Billpoint and the week of Checkout War.
