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Wondering Whether This is a Scam of Some Sort?

Had a buyer purchase two pieces of some vintage china.  Both could be packed in one box so did so to save the buyer a bit on postage.  Went to PayPal to send her a refund for the difference and get an error message:  "This recipient accepts PayPal payments only through their website."     Huh?   Never ran into that before especially for what looks like a normal/personal hotmail email address.

 

Checked the sales record for the transaction and the buyer appears to be an individual with the address tracking to a residential address.   However,  phone number in the record is odd -- a 150 area code which doesn't exist.  Also noticed that the eBay account was created the day of the purchase and looks like a Guest Account as the ID is all scrambled numbers and letters.

 

It seems odd a scammer would be dinking around buying something like a teacup/saucer and sugar bowl lid that all total cost them about $25 plus postage but the odd error message, phone number and new account issues sort of bother me.

 

Anyone else run into something like this?    Any guesses as to what is going on?    Order is all packed/label purchased and affixed but I just have an uneasy feeling about this.    Suggestions/advice?   

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As long as your PayPal account shows clear payment received and you're shipping to the address received with the payment, then go ahead and do so. It's nice to want to refund excess shipping, but it's not your problem to clear some kind of hurdle with their account. I would suggest not trying to do a partial refund on that basis either.

 

Letting sleeping dogs lie might be best here, unless or until the buyer asks you about combined shipping, at which point you can relate the problems that you ran into.

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Don't worry about the phone number.  Some people give a phony number because they don't think PayPal needs that information unless PP is selling all our info.

 

I have a situation where PayPal has been hounding me over over a month for copies of my driving license, utility bills and Social Security card. They claim its to comply with government requirements, yet they  can't and won't specify those requirements.  They also claim they "aren't able to offer certain products and services" without this documentation.  

 

Guess what, I don't  want or need their "certain products and services.  Neither PayPal nor anyone else needs this information as they can't guarantee it's confidentiality, so they won't be getting it. 

 

They just aren't trustworthy.

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@duggmills wrote:

Don't worry about the phone number.  Some people give a phony number because they don't think PayPal needs that information unless PP is selling all our info.

 

I have a situation where PayPal has been hounding me over over a month for copies of my driving license, utility bills and Social Security card. They claim its to comply with government requirements, yet they  can't and won't specify those requirements.  They also claim they "aren't able to offer certain products and services" without this documentation.  

 

Guess what, I don't  want or need their "certain products and services.  Neither PayPal nor anyone else needs this information as they can't guarantee it's confidentiality, so they won't be getting it. 

 

They just aren't trustworthy.


They need the soc sec in case you hit the $20,000 and 200 transactions for reporting to the IRS.........they will ask you for it and then may suspend if you don't provide..........every money processor has to have it for that reason............they won't "wait" til you hit the mark.. as some people would probably never then give it.......

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@a_c_green wrote:

As long as your PayPal account shows clear payment received and you're shipping to the address received with the payment, then go ahead and do so. It's nice to want to refund excess shipping, but it's not your problem to clear some kind of hurdle with their account. I would suggest not trying to do a partial refund on that basis either.

 

Letting sleeping dogs lie might be best here, unless or until the buyer asks you about combined shipping, at which point you can relate the problems that you ran into.



@a_c_green wrote:

As long as your PayPal account shows clear payment received and you're shipping to the address received with the payment, then go ahead and do so. It's nice to want to refund excess shipping, but it's not your problem to clear some kind of hurdle with their account. I would suggest not trying to do a partial refund on that basis either.

 

Letting sleeping dogs lie might be best here, unless or until the buyer asks you about combined shipping, at which point you can relate the problems that you ran into.


I tend to agree with you @a_c_green and am leaning just toward sending the order out, but just noticed another "anomaly" of sorts.  The name on the eBay account which made the purchase is not the same as the one provided in PayPal iin terms of the shipping address.   Yes, perhaps this is a "gift" for someone purchased by another party which of course, is fine.     But, I think I'm going to call PayPal just in case and see if I can get any info from them just to make sure there's nothing fishy going on.   Will update this thread if/when I have any additional info.

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Well, PayPal was absolutely no help.  Got an CSR with an accent which is unusual as normally when I call I reach someone in the USA.  Her advice was to just refund the buyer if I was uncomfortable with the purchase.  I tried explaining to her (again) that a)  I cannot refund the buyer due to the error message I receive when I tried to do so via PP originally for the excess postage (Msg: "This recipient accepts PayPal payments only through their website.");  and b) I can't just refund the buyer, I would have to cancel the order via eBay and the only legitimate way for a seller to do so without earning a defect is "Problem with Address" and there is no evidence that the address was incorrect. 

 

She advised me to just cancel the order via eBay using the reason "Item No Longer Available"  IOW, OOS.  I started to explain to her that doing so would result in me earning a defect from eBay, but just gave up and hung up.  (Nice to know, PP has its share of space cadets, too...)  😞

 

Attempted to call eBay and during the 45 minutes I was to be on hold, did some additional Internet sleuthing myself.  Was able to track the email address provided to a Facebook account.  Name on FB account is the same as where I was asked to ship the item.   Searched through the person's FB friends list and was able to find someone by the same name as the person who ostensibly purchased the item and set up the guest eBay account.    So, at this point I am assuming since the two people know each other that Person A must have bought the items and asked that they be shipped to Person B, who knows why but perhaps as a gift.

 

So, am going to ship the items out and hold my breath there will be no issue down the road such as an UA claim and/or CC chargeback.   PayPal BTW,  didn't seem concerned at all that the phone number associated with the PP/eBay account was fictitious.   I never did speak to anyone at eBay as I hung up once I found the above-mentioned "FB Friend" association, but you'd think they'd want to know the phone number provided by the account holder was fraudulent -- or at least have their software up so that it would refuse to accept non-existent area codes to preventsuch problems in the first place.  {shaking head}

 

One more thing...    When I called PayPal, their automation system said they couldn't find my account given the phone number I entered.  My phone number is the same as it has been for 20+ years and is clearly visible and correct in my PayPal account.   When I mentioned this to the PP CSR I was told that "it's a glitch in our software -- and sometimes the automation system says it can't find an account by phone number even though the phone number provided is correct."   

 

So, if any of the rest of you run into this problem, just double-check your registered phone number on PP is correct and in your account, and ignore what PP's automation system says.  Of course, this makes it all the more difficult trying to navigate through their automated system and finally get to a live person but what else do we all have to do, right?!     {Sigh}  

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You might be reading too much into this. They paid, just ship the order. If they complain about shipping cost just explain the problem.

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When I get paid, I ship.  Period.

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@tiramisu41 wrote:

Had a buyer purchase two pieces of some vintage china.  Both could be packed in one box so did so to save the buyer a bit on postage.  Went to PayPal to send her a refund for the difference and get an error message:  "This recipient accepts PayPal payments only through their website."       


That happens when you click the "Refund" link in the transaction details? You're not making a payment.

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@thatsallfolks wrote:

@tiramisu41 wrote:

Had a buyer purchase two pieces of some vintage china.  Both could be packed in one box so did so to save the buyer a bit on postage.  Went to PayPal to send her a refund for the difference and get an error message:  "This recipient accepts PayPal payments only through their website."       


That happens when you click the "Refund" link in the transaction details? You're not making a payment.


No, that happened when I tried to "Send Money" to the buyer via PayPal.com.   Usually, you only get this type of message if the recipient is a business and/or has a business PayPal account however, buyer's email address was not associated with a business domain name and appears to be just a run-of-the-mill personal hotmail address which is why this transaction seemed unusual.

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If they were guest purchases, I was told by a rep in the US that they had to be shipped separately.  Take this with a grain of salt since it was info from ebay Smiley Frustrated

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@tiramisu41 wrote:

@thatsallfolks wrote:

@tiramisu41 wrote:

Had a buyer purchase two pieces of some vintage china.  Both could be packed in one box so did so to save the buyer a bit on postage.  Went to PayPal to send her a refund for the difference and get an error message:  "This recipient accepts PayPal payments only through their website."       


That happens when you click the "Refund" link in the transaction details? You're not making a payment.


No, that happened when I tried to "Send Money" to the buyer via PayPal.com.   Usually, you only get this type of message if the recipient is a business and/or has a business PayPal account however, buyer's email address was not associated with a business domain name and appears to be just a run-of-the-mill personal hotmail address which is why this transaction seemed unusual.


There's the problem. You should refund using the "Refund" link, not "send money". PayPal even contributes to the refund by returning their fee on that part the payment.

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@theposhmermaids wrote:

If they were guest purchases, I was told by a rep in the US that they had to be shipped separately.  Take this with a grain of salt since it was info from ebay Smiley Frustrated


Only if it's a guest account who hasn't figured out the add to cart to buy multiple purchases.

 

Usually buyers with guest accounts pay for each item separately so they have the same name & mailing address but a different ID each time. That's why it won't let you combine them.

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@thatsallfolks wrote:

@tiramisu41 wrote:

@thatsallfolks wrote:

@tiramisu41 wrote:

Had a buyer purchase two pieces of some vintage china.  Both could be packed in one box so did so to save the buyer a bit on postage.  Went to PayPal to send her a refund for the difference and get an error message:  "This recipient accepts PayPal payments only through their website."       


That happens when you click the "Refund" link in the transaction details? You're not making a payment.


No, that happened when I tried to "Send Money" to the buyer via PayPal.com.   Usually, you only get this type of message if the recipient is a business and/or has a business PayPal account however, buyer's email address was not associated with a business domain name and appears to be just a run-of-the-mill personal hotmail address which is why this transaction seemed unusual.


There's the problem. You should refund using the "Refund" link, not "send money". PayPal even contributes to the refund by returning their fee on that part the payment.


Sorry, but that's not the problem.  I have always done it this way, and in fact just sent someone a similar small refund for a postage overage last week and had no issues whatsoever.   The problem seems to be with this particular person's email address which I was told by PayPal is because of the way they have their acccount settings set up which is to refuse any incoming funds.

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@tiramisu41 wrote:

@thatsallfolks wrote:

@tiramisu41 wrote:

@thatsallfolks wrote:

@tiramisu41 wrote:

Had a buyer purchase two pieces of some vintage china.  Both could be packed in one box so did so to save the buyer a bit on postage.  Went to PayPal to send her a refund for the difference and get an error message:  "This recipient accepts PayPal payments only through their website."       


That happens when you click the "Refund" link in the transaction details? You're not making a payment.


No, that happened when I tried to "Send Money" to the buyer via PayPal.com.   Usually, you only get this type of message if the recipient is a business and/or has a business PayPal account however, buyer's email address was not associated with a business domain name and appears to be just a run-of-the-mill personal hotmail address which is why this transaction seemed unusual.


There's the problem. You should refund using the "Refund" link, not "send money". PayPal even contributes to the refund by returning their fee on that part the payment.


Sorry, but that's not the problem.  I have always done it this way, and in fact just sent someone a similar small refund for a postage overage last week and had no issues whatsoever.   The problem seems to be with this particular person's email address which I was told by PayPal is because of the way they have their acccount settings set up which is to refuse any incoming funds.


Great, you've always done it by using "Send money". Well, this time, you'll have to use the "Refund" option. The only problem here is that you're not willing to use a procedure that will work in order to give back the money. 

 

And I have no idea why you wouldn't want PayPal to contribute their part of the refund. 

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