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Winning bidders not paying

I know I’m barking in the wind but it’s becoming more and more common that winning bidders are just choosing not to pay. I just canceled an order after the winner said he couldn’t pay… I’ve had to do this several times in the past and I have an unpaid item currently posted. From experience if the bidder doesn’t pay within 2 days it’s highly unlikely they ever will. I wish we could go back to the day when we could leave negative feedback in both directions. 

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Have you read the (fairly) new way that buyers can handle NPBs? If the buyer has not paid within 4 days, the seller can cancel, using the reason "buyer didn't pay".  Seller's FVF is refunded and buyer has a strike.  It's my understanding that, for sellers who are enrolled in MP, this process happens automatically, although not sure, but probably someone else will come along and give us that information.

 

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It served to alert sellers about deadbeat bidders/dishonest buyers.

 

Except that it doesn't.

Over 85% of transactions are Fixed Price. The seller doesn't meet the customer until he has purchased.

And Buy It Now buyers are the same. The seller has no chance to vet the customer.

Also snipers, manual or electronic. A snipe bidder is anonymous until he bids within seconds of the auction end.

 

@a-c-green is right.

Stop using Auctions for mass market goods.

By the time your Auction wends its way to a close, a customer can view, buy, pay, and receive the product.

Use Fixed Price, because you know the market value of your products, and Immediate Payment Required, which keeps the listing active until someone actually pays.

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Because bidders know they can wait until Payday to pay the auction. Payday may be 3-4 days away from the bid win.

If they wait that long to pay, there is a good chance that the transaction will already be Cancelled by eBay.

EBay is moving away from requiring sellers to actively open Unpaid Item Disputes after 96 hours (48 for US based sellers) to an automatic Cancellation after four days.

This removes the further four days of grace give to deadbeats , and all Unpaids will be cancelled after 96 hours total, instead of the previous six to eight days.

 

And the deadbeat still gets a Strike.

So set your Seller Protections/Buyer Requirements to automatically Block deadbeats with Strikes.

 

In any case, if the buyer uses a credit card (or Paypal backed with a credit card) the question of payday does not come up.

The seller is paid immediately from the buyer's credit, and the buyer pays the credit card at her leisure.

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Yup, I have 2 awaiting payments from my last 2 auctions. Going on 4 days now. 2 FEED BACK and 29 FEED BACK buyers. Sent Invoices and not a peep.

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@soh.maryl wrote:

Have you read the (fairly) new way that buyers can handle NPBs? If the buyer has not paid within 4 days, the seller can cancel, using the reason "buyer didn't pay".  Seller's FVF is refunded and buyer has a strike.  It's my understanding that, for sellers who are enrolled in MP, this process happens automatically, although not sure, but probably someone else will come along and give us that information.


Whether it happens automatically or must be invoked by the seller is a setting inherited from the old Unpaid Item Assistant.

 

If you had the UIA set up to close out unpaid items automatically, then eBay will do the same thing for you automatically. In my experience, that happens exactly 4 days (96 hours, plus a minute or two) from the time of the unpaid transaction.

 

If the seller did not have the Unpaid Item Assistant activated previously, then he gets the option to manually close the unpaid item after four days. (Apparently this manual unpaid process is available beginning on the fifth calendar day, not just 96 hours plus one minute, according to some discussion with eBay people here.)

 

That's how the initial setting of the new Unpaid process was set up for each seller, so you may or may not have inherited the automatic handling up front, but regardless of that, you have the option to turn the new automatic cancellation On or Off as desired here: 

 

https://www.ebay.com/Cancel/Preference/UnpaidPurchase 

 

You can also exempt specific buyers from automatic cancellation on that page, such as if a buyer of yours requests a delayed payment.

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@ekmadonna wrote:

Yup, I have 2 awaiting payments from my last 2 auctions. Going on 4 days now. 2 FEED BACK and 29 FEED BACK buyers. Sent Invoices and not a peep.


Have you review the recently revised unpaid item cancellation policy? Make sure you've investigated whether you're set up for automatic cancellation and relisting, etc., so the process can flow smoothly when the time limit of four calendar days has been reached.

 

You'll also want to consider putting those user ids on your blocked buyers list, if that's something you think is appropriate.

 

Last, make sure your buyer requirements block anyone with two strikes within the last twelve months (the most restrictive) from bidding on your listings or buying from you.

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@soh.maryl 

>Have you read the (fairly) new way that buyers can handle NPBs?

 

Was not pleased when eBay emasculated the UPI case to the present, even more buyer-friendly cancellation process. And a savvy, questionable buyer knows he has a chance of escaping the UPI strike if he can get the seller to cancel by pleading some sob-story ("I just canceled an order after the winner said he couldn’t pay"). Just lets the "sport bidders" free to do the same to other sellers. And if it WAS true that the deadbeat "couldn't pay", why do they ever bother to bid in the first place?

 

It's all just a game for many buyers, aided and encouraged by eBay's buyer-can-do-no-wrong policies.

 

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@bimm_corp wrote:

@soh.maryl 

>Have you read the (fairly) new way that buyers can handle NPBs?

 

Was not pleased when eBay emasculated the UPI case to the present, even more buyer-friendly cancellation process. And a savvy, questionable buyer knows he has a chance of escaping the UPI strike if he can get the seller to cancel by pleading some sob-story ("I just canceled an order after the winner said he couldn’t pay"). Just lets the "sport bidders" free to do the same to other sellers. And if it WAS true that the deadbeat "couldn't pay", why do they ever bother to bid in the first place?


It seems you've totally misunderstood the new unpaid item cancellation policy.

 

If a seller cancels a transaction based on nonpayment, the nonpaying "buyer" still receives a strike on his/her account.

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If the seller falls for that "sorry I can't pay" instead of doing the cancellation using the reason "buyer didn't pay", then isn't it the seller who is emasculating the UPI system?

If only bidders who were able to pay were the only people who ever bid, then there would not be a need for the UPI process, would there? 

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@femmefan1946 

>Except that it doesn't.

 

I said "It served to alert sellers", as in past tense. If eBay were to reinstate negs for buyers (not likely) it would do the same again, alerting sellers to deadbeat bidders/dishonest buyers. As I said, it worked nicely back when still in  force.

 

>Stop using Auctions for mass market goods.

 

I don't. Check out my items. OOAK and (real, as in 30-40+ years) vintage stuff. BTW, I switched to auctions only back when eBay forced GTC. I just don't want the bother of babysitting my items to prevent eBay from scamming more profit from the rollovers.

 

 

 

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I started using "Buy It Now"  for everything -  because of bidders not paying.   And of Course I had one buyer ask for a discount on one of my items listed as a "Buy It Now" and I did come down on the price for her.  And Guess What - they didn't pay!  And wanted an extension.  Unbelievable.  I did close the deal after 4 days because of non payment.   Looked at her feedback and she has done this before, some sellers left feedback and I could tell by their wording that she asked for a discount and never paid.  

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Have noticed that, although sellers may be reviewing the recently revised UPI cancellation policy, at least a few of them do not understand how it works.  At least one responder here feels that it's a step backwards and has emasculated the system.  

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@eleanor*rigby 

>If a seller cancels a transaction based on nonpayment, the nonpaying "buyer" still receives a strike on his/her account.

 

That's not entirely correct. If the seller lets the current UPI process complete, eBay says the deadbeat buyer receives a UPI strike. All we have for this is eBay's  say-so that it happens.

 

IF the buyer REQUESTS a cancel after the item closes, and the seller says YES on the Request Cancellation page (which is totally separate from the UPI process), the buyer DOES NOT receive a UPI strike. As mentioned beforehand, I am currently going through one of these and have no intention of letting the "sports bidder" off the hook. BTW, the reason my current bidder gave for requesting the cancel was "takes too long" or something similar. This despite having free Priority Mail shipping and my shipping policy clearly stated in the item description.

 

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it would do the same again, alerting sellers to deadbeat bidders/dishonest buyers. As I said, it worked nicely back when still in force.

But at that time most listings were auctions. The past 13 years have seen a shift to Fixed Price, where feedback is basically useless.

Fixed Price  and Buy It Now mean the Seller doesn't meet the customer until she is a Buyer.

 

Personally I would drop the whole FB system. One possible replacement would be showing the number of transactions each member had been involved in, as well as the number of Failed Transactions (whether cancellations or disputes). And making no difference if the buyer or the seller was the loser in the failure.

 

You buy 10 item and sell 10 items. Transactions: 20. You don't pay for one item, you have an NAD on another- promptly resolved on return, you have an NAD on yet another- fought to the bitter end. Failed Transactions: 3.

 

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@eleanor*rigby 

>If a seller cancels a transaction based on nonpayment, the nonpaying "buyer" still receives a strike on his/her account.

 

That's not entirely correct. If the seller lets the current UPI process complete, eBay says the deadbeat buyer receives a UPI strike. All we have for this is eBay's  say-so that it happens.

 

IF the buyer REQUESTS a cancel after the item closes, and the seller says YES on the Request Cancellation page (which is totally separate from the UPI process), the buyer DOES NOT receive a UPI strike. As mentioned beforehand, I am currently going through one of these and have no intention of letting the "sports bidder" off the hook. BTW, the reason my current bidder gave for requesting the cancel was "takes too long" or something similar. This despite having free Priority Mail shipping and my shipping policy clearly stated in the item description.


My statement, "If a seller cancels a transaction based on nonpayment, the nonpaying "buyer" still receives a strike on his/her account" is entirely correct.

 

Now, however, you have presented a completely different scenario. If the buyer submits a cancellation request and the seller accepts it, of course the buyer won't receive a strike. Why would they?

 

Strikes are for users who essentially abandon or walk away from their commitment to complete the purchase. To me, that is completely different from a buyer who at least bothers to submit a cancellation request--as annoying as that is.

 

If you want to run your business based on the premise that no buyer can or should ever request a transaction be cancelled without being punished in some fashion, you might consider starting your own website, or reconsidering whether online selling is really a good match for you. I've read your posts through the years, and you seem to be very displeased with both buyers and eBay.

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