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Will eBay refuse to deposit the money to you from the buyer until you mail the item?

I'm going to be selling items in excess of $1K on eBay, but if eBay thinks I'm going to mail out such an expensive item without getting paid first, now that they've ditched Paypal, eBay management has rocks in their head. What if the buyer refuses to pay? What if he holds things up with bogus disputes? What if there's a glitch in eBay's system? I can conjure up many scenarios where I'm suddenly out a very expensive item and have no cash to show for it. I heard that eBay will hold your item after the buyer has *paid eBay* (not you) until they've verified that you've mailed out the buyer's item - without you getting your money first. True?

 

Just to be on the safe side, in my seller's notes for my listed item, I added that it will be mailed out as soon as *I* receive payment (not eBay). I don't know if eBay will consider that a valid stance or not, but I'd rather take a hit from a seller for a late shipment than be out a grand.

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Your payments will be held until you sell 25 items worth $250, and you've been selling for 90 days.

When eBay says to ship the buyer has paid your handling time begins. The buyer can't cancel or take the payment back. If you don't ship within your handling time you will get defects. Your payment will be held until tracking shows delivered. High value items will be held for 21 days even if you have tracking. If you don't ship when you're supposed to buyers will not have that. They'll be thinking you're trying to steal their money and will be filing chargebacks.

What are you doing here if you can't  follow rules here?

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You personally don't know any merchants? How about Every One You Ever Visited that you did NOT pay with Cash??

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"On eBay, any buyer can steal any item from any seller at any time by filing a fraudulent dispute."

 

The difference is that this scenario might occur, say, one time out of a hundred, whereas a seller having to mail out merchandise before getting paid is supposed to happen a hundred times out of a hundred.

 

"Selling on eBay is a risk, and it sounds like you are not willing to accept the risk of selling here."

 

I take it that you don't own a business? Because if you did, I don't think you'd be handing over your merchandise to people wanting to buy it, then have them walk away with your merchandise in hand with merely the promise that they'd pay you a week or so down the road.

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@tricon7 wrote:

I'm going to be selling items in excess of $1K on eBay, but if eBay thinks I'm going to mail out such an expensive item without getting paid first, now that they've ditched Paypal, eBay management has rocks in their head.


Judging from your feedback, you have already had a couple of big-ticket sales for which buyers left Positive feedback. Have you in fact had any mishaps? 

 

You will be a magnet for scammers simply on the basis of your low feedback count combined with the high-scam potential of the comics you're selling, but dragging your feet on shipping after eBay tells you that the buyer has paid is not going to address those risks; it will simply add possible Item Not Received disputes to your stack.

 

eBay does not have to release the funds if they decide that they want to see Delivery Confirmation first (or Signature Confirmation, in the case of sales above $750), so engaging in a standoff with them and demanding that they put the buyer's money in your bank before you will ship is not a fight that you are going to win. When they say that the buyer has paid, the buyer has paid. 

 


@tricon7 wrote:

What if the buyer refuses to pay?


You do not have to ship before the buyer pays. If he has not paid after four full days from the time of sale, you can cancel the sale, your Final Value Fees are credited, and the buyer gets an Unpaid slap on his record.

 


@tricon7 wrote:

What if he holds things up with bogus disputes?


He can file an Item Not Received dispute if the item is not received by the last Estimated Date of Delivery. He can file a Not As Described dispute for one of several possibilities, ranging from undisclosed flaws to shipping damage to empty-box claims. You can request that the item be returned before refunding, but eBay will expect you to refund if the buyer returns it (or if you do not win the dispute at all), and the current location of the funds (either still held by eBay or already in your own account) will not matter.

 


@tricon7 wrote:

What if there's a glitch in eBay's system?


Not sure what you are thinking of here, but once eBay says that the buyer has paid, he's paid. There are no instances in which he can suddenly claw back his money from eBay after you have shipped, though there are also no guarantees that he cannot file a dispute or chargeback later. (If a payment dispute such as a stolen credit card arises while the package is still en route, you'll want to make a Package Intercept request.) The nature of selling here is that you should not list anything here that you are not prepared to lose completely. If you are not willing to take on that risk (which is entirely understandable), you might want to sell your higher-value items locally for cash (e.g. Local Pickup Only listings or a consignment sale). 

 


@tricon7 wrote:

I heard that eBay will hold your item after the buyer has *paid eBay* (not you) until they've verified that you've mailed out the buyer's item - without you getting your money first. True?


True, at least when you're first starting out, or are classified as a new seller after some period of absence. Even in those cases, you don't have to front the money or wait for the buyer's payment to reach your bank before shipping. Just set your Shipping form to draw the postage from the buyer's pending funds. You will find the setting for that at the lower left corner of the Shipping form.

 

The funds themselves are not "pending;" it's the transfer to your bank that's pending. eBay already has the buyer's payment, which is why you can use a portion of it to purchase the shipping on-line.

 


@tricon7 wrote:

Just to be on the safe side, in my seller's notes for my listed item, I added that it will be mailed out as soon as *I* receive payment (not eBay). I don't know if eBay will consider that a valid stance or not, but I'd rather take a hit from a seller [buyer] for a late shipment than be out a grand.


That's eBay's decision to make; you're not going to make them capitulate by digging in your heels. If they do transfer the funds, it will still be 2-3 days before the money lands in your account, so you should adjust your Handling time to account for that, and you may have to fend off messages from buyers wanting to know why the heck you haven't shipped already. If eBay says that you must ship before funds will be released to your account, then you will need to ship, or otherwise cancel and net a big fat Neg from the buyer who paid fair and square. Do that more than a few times and eBay will suggest that you go elsewhere.

 

So anyway, ship when eBay tells you to ship. I would say that most of the risks you are taking on by selling high-value items from a new-ish seller account have nothing to do with whether your  money lands in your account first.

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"You personally don't know any merchants? How about Every One You Ever Visited that you did NOT pay with Cash??"

 

I pay with my debit card all the time. It comes immediately out of my bank account. Credit cards are run by major corporations, not individuals, who have the ability to come after you forcefully, and the local vendors get paid by them right away anyway.

 

What are you going to do if you sell a big-ticket item, then the seller vanishes? Or he disputes the sale for one of a thousand reasons and ties up your needed-income from that sale for weeks or months or forever?

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"You do not have to ship before THE BUYER PAYS. If he has not paid after four full days from the time of sale, you can cancel the sale, your Final Value Fees are credited, and the buyer gets an Unpaid slap on his record."

 

Again, we need to define the terminology. When you say "the buyer pays," you really mean when the buyer pays EBAY. Not when the buyer pays the seller, i.e., the money he paid appears in the seller's bank. For eBay, after the buyer "pays" - eBay, that is - the seller is supposed to ship, if I understand this right. If the buyer pays eBay but the seller hasn't received the funds yet, the seller STILL has to ship the item within three days. All the risk on the seller - zero for eBay, zero for the buyer. If I'm wrong, let me know.

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@tricon7 wrote:

"You do not have to ship before THE BUYER PAYS. If he has not paid after four full days from the time of sale, you can cancel the sale, your Final Value Fees are credited, and the buyer gets an Unpaid slap on his record."

 

Again, we need to define the terminology. When you say "the buyer pays," you really mean when the buyer pays EBAY. Not when the buyer pays the seller, i.e., the money he paid appears in the seller's bank. 


Right. When eBay tells you that you have been paid, you have been paid. You can use a portion of the funds right now to pay for the shipping through eBay, and the rest will reach you through a standard ACH transfer into your checking account.

 


@tricon7 wrote:

For eBay, after the buyer "pays" - eBay, that is - the seller is supposed to ship, if I understand this right.


You do understand this right. eBay is telling you that they have received the payment.

 


@tricon7 wrote:

If the buyer pays eBay but the seller hasn't received the funds yet, the seller STILL has to ship the item within three days. All the risk on the seller - zero for eBay, zero for the buyer. If I'm wrong, let me know.


The seller has to ship the item within his stated Handling time once the buyer has paid, or you can get dinged for late shipment. There are circumstances under which eBay is going to hold the funds until they see a delivery. That hold is not always used, but for new seller accounts and/or high-risk sales, it's their decision as to whether to hold the money.

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Why is the seller at risk when the buyer can't stop their payment sfter it's been sent? Only the seller can refund a pending payment. The buyer can't reverse the payment. 

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Good luck with that.

 

Come back and tell us how that works out for you.

 

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Lol, how do you think cc payments work at your local Target?

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@tricon7 wrote:

The difference is that this scenario might occur, say, one time out of a hundred, whereas a seller having to mail out merchandise before getting paid is supposed to happen a hundred times out of a hundred.


All six of my selling accounts on eBay have been on Managed Payments for 10 months. And a hundred times out of a hundred, when eBay says the buyer has paid then I have shipped. And a hundred times out of a hundred, the money is there.

 


@tricon7 wrote:

I don't think you'd be handing over your merchandise to people wanting to buy it, then have them walk away with your merchandise in hand with merely the promise that they'd pay you a week or so down the road.


I do run a business and I do exactly that when I sell on eBay. Because I know the money is there, just like WalMart knows the money is there when I make a purchase with my credit card ... even though the transaction does not clear for a couple days.

 

There are enough REAL risks on eBay - so I do not need to invent new risks that aren't really there.

 

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@tricon7 wrote:

"You personally don't know any merchants? How about Every One You Ever Visited that you did NOT pay with Cash??"

 

I pay with my debit card all the time. It comes immediately out of my bank account. Credit cards are run by major corporations, not individuals, who have the ability to come after you forcefully, and the local vendors get paid by them right away anyway.

 

What are you going to do if you sell a big-ticket item, then the seller vanishes? Or he disputes the sale for one of a thousand reasons and ties up your needed-income from that sale for weeks or months or forever?


No, merchants are not paid by credit card companies right away. And when I purchase on eBay with my credit card I see the charge on my card right away. They've taken my money instantly. It just takes a couple of days to process. 

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@tricon7 

>if eBay thinks I'm going to mail out such an expensive item without getting paid first, now that they've ditched Paypal, eBay management has rocks in their head

 

I have a 15 business day handling time and include in my descriptions, "Items prepared for shipment on my receipt of cleared payment from eBay. Up to 15 business days handling time."

 

No complaints from buyers so far. Added bonus is that scammers can't try a fake INR because eBay system won't let them till the item ships.

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Some people aren’t suited for selling here. There are other venues.

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Well, your opinion of how you think ebay should handle Managed Payments is just canon fodder for most of us.  Ship everything ASAP.  If you can't afford to put it on the curb in front of your comic book store then you probably can't afford to sell online regardless of the platform.  

 

You ask what if the buyer refuses to pay?  Then they are not a buyer yet and you don't mail the item.  After five days of non-payment ebay automatically cancels the order and you can relist it.  The non-paying ebay member (not a buyer) gets a strike on their record.  

 

More importantly did you know that starting on 1/1/2022 you will have to report all on-line sales income to the IRS and possibly to your home state on all sales over $600.  That's all cumulative sales for the year.  So with your 'expensive' items once you sell one of them you will have passed the threshold for being awarded a 1099 form after the end of the year.

 

That last part is where the rubber hits the road for a lot of old-timers here and on other sites.  

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