Will Ayden fix some of the issues that sellers face?

[torontosix]

I watched this video on youtube titled "Why I No Longer Use PayPal · Selling AND Buying" and I could relate entirely with it. (350,000 views - uploaded in december 2017).

I currently do not accept PayPal. I was wondering if Ayden will be a better processor for payments, and if anyone has any experiences with Ayden. 

[iaintdoingit]

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@carlmarxx wrote:

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@tiramisu41 wrote:

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@iaintdoingit wrote:

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@torontosix wrote:

I watched this video on youtube titled "Why I No Longer Use PayPal · Selling AND Buying" and I could relate entirely with it. (350,000 views - uploaded in december 2017).

I currently do not accept PayPal. I was wondering if Ayden will be a better processor for payments, and if anyone has any experiences with Ayden. 

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I have had absolutely no trouble on Etsy since Adyen's beginning there.  In fact, can't wait for it here because of enough positives for me.  One of the main reasons is I can control when deposits are made to my bank account which is every month -- love love love it!

Just hope that Adyen is implemented here on eBay the same way.

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Yeah, but.   Why Adyen works on Etsy like a charm is because of how Etsy structured their in-house payment system.  eBay is already screwing that up.   

For example, on Etsy, you can purchase mailing labels direct from your in-house account and then pay for them from your sales revenue before it's transferred to your bank account.   In eBay's infinite wisdom/beta test model, they expect sellers to buy mailing labels from PayPal out of their own pocket separately.  They're also prohibiting sellers in the beta test to take PayPal for payment.   Whether that remains the same when the system officially rolls out, who knows, but if they have sufficient "proof" from the beta test that no PayPal didn't affect beta tester's sales, don't be surprised if PayPal will not longer be a payment option on eBay at all.

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Got Bad News for you.  Ebay will not have inhouse shipping labels  for their sellers . 

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For my postage through Etsy -- shipping labels are covered (even with tracking).

[hioctane62]

Adyen can't fix anything for one reason. Ebay is involved. Expect things to get worse as ebay runs out of ways to bilk more money from sellers so they can show very minimal growth.

[carlmarxx]

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@iaintdoingit wrote:

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@carlmarxx wrote:

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@tiramisu41 wrote:

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@iaintdoingit wrote:

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@torontosix wrote:

I watched this video on youtube titled "Why I No Longer Use PayPal · Selling AND Buying" and I could relate entirely with it. (350,000 views - uploaded in december 2017).

I currently do not accept PayPal. I was wondering if Ayden will be a better processor for payments, and if anyone has any experiences with Ayden. 

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I have had absolutely no trouble on Etsy since Adyen's beginning there.  In fact, can't wait for it here because of enough positives for me.  One of the main reasons is I can control when deposits are made to my bank account which is every month -- love love love it!

Just hope that Adyen is implemented here on eBay the same way.

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Yeah, but.   Why Adyen works on Etsy like a charm is because of how Etsy structured their in-house payment system.  eBay is already screwing that up.   

For example, on Etsy, you can purchase mailing labels direct from your in-house account and then pay for them from your sales revenue before it's transferred to your bank account.   In eBay's infinite wisdom/beta test model, they expect sellers to buy mailing labels from PayPal out of their own pocket separately.  They're also prohibiting sellers in the beta test to take PayPal for payment.   Whether that remains the same when the system officially rolls out, who knows, but if they have sufficient "proof" from the beta test that no PayPal didn't affect beta tester's sales, don't be surprised if PayPal will not longer be a payment option on eBay at all.

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Got Bad News for you.  Ebay will not have inhouse shipping labels  for their sellers . 

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For my postage through Etsy -- shipping labels are covered (even with tracking).

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Ebay  has never  planed to do same as Etsy  for postage through  ebay . and Not one word came  out  from the Powers that Be! running this site.  Also there hasn't been one word about shipping postage labes   at  that ebay live  in vegas .  Ebay has been very quite  on the shipping postage . 

[kcdcpa]

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@torontosix wrote:

I watched this video on youtube titled "Why I No Longer Use PayPal · Selling AND Buying" and I could relate entirely with it. (350,000 views - uploaded in december 2017).

I currently do not accept PayPal. I was wondering if Ayden will be a better processor for payments, and if anyone has any experiences with Ayden. 

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I have never had a single problem with Paypal.

What kind of problems are you having ?

I am dreading the day when Ebay gets involved in payment processing ..... look at how they "enhanced" the Print Shipping Label page and how they enhanced the Watch List page.

They change things just for the sake of changing them, and so that every team's monthly Status Report shows that they are "busy" and "enhancing" the seller "experience" or the buyer "experience".

If you think that switching to Ayden is going to improve things, good luck with that.

When was the last time that you remember ANYTHING actually getting improved on Ebay without the "improvement"  having multiple complaints, and glitches for multiple months ?

[thatsallfolks]

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@kcdcpa wrote:

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@torontosix wrote:

I watched this video on youtube titled "Why I No Longer Use PayPal · Selling AND Buying" and I could relate entirely with it. (350,000 views - uploaded in december 2017).

I currently do not accept PayPal. I was wondering if Ayden will be a better processor for payments, and if anyone has any experiences with Ayden. 

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I have never had a single problem with Paypal.

What kind of problems are you having ?

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OP didn't like having money held because they were selling virtual items (they have another thread).

Funds holds aren't going away.

[the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth]

Maybe you should take the radio silence to mean that they're not planning any changes therefore don't need to talk about it? I seriously doubt a platform as big as Ebay would not offer shipping labels. They probably earn money on them.

[tiramisu41]

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@carlmarxx wrote:

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@iaintdoingit wrote:

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Got Bad News for you.  Ebay will not have inhouse shipping labels  for their sellers . 

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For my postage through Etsy -- shipping labels are covered (even with tracking).

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Ebay  has never  planed to do same as Etsy  for postage through  ebay . and Not one word came  out  from the Powers that Be! running this site.  Also there hasn't been one word about shipping postage labes   at  that ebay live  in vegas .  Ebay has been very quite  on the shipping postage . 

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Really?  You might want to watch this video recorded by a seller who attended the 2018 eBay Open including the Q&A on the new payment system which was held as a General Session.   At 3:39 she begins talking specifically about what eBay said about how label purchasing/processing will need to be handled under the new protocol.

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2FvWGP_dK0&feature=youtu.be

[carlmarxx]

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@tiramisu41 wrote:

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@carlmarxx wrote:

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@iaintdoingit wrote:

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Got Bad News for you.  Ebay will not have inhouse shipping labels  for their sellers . 

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For my postage through Etsy -- shipping labels are covered (even with tracking).

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Ebay  has never  planed to do same as Etsy  for postage through  ebay . and Not one word came  out  from the Powers that Be! running this site.  Also there hasn't been one word about shipping postage labes   at  that ebay live  in vegas .  Ebay has been very quite  on the shipping postage . 

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Really?  You might want to watch this video recorded by a seller who attended the 2018 eBay Open including the Q&A on the new payment system which was held as a General Session.   At 3:39 she begins talking specifically about what eBay said about how label purchasing/processing will need to be handled under the new protocol.

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2FvWGP_dK0&feature=youtu.be

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There is nothing there about shipping funds  up front  for the labels !!!!!   the link is a wast of  time .

[tiramisu41]

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@carlmarxx wrote:

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@tiramisu41 wrote:

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@carlmarxx wrote:

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@iaintdoingit wrote:

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Got Bad News for you.  Ebay will not have inhouse shipping labels  for their sellers . 

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For my postage through Etsy -- shipping labels are covered (even with tracking).

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Ebay  has never  planed to do same as Etsy  for postage through  ebay . and Not one word came  out  from the Powers that Be! running this site.  Also there hasn't been one word about shipping postage labes   at  that ebay live  in vegas .  Ebay has been very quite  on the shipping postage . 

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Really?  You might want to watch this video recorded by a seller who attended the 2018 eBay Open including the Q&A on the new payment system which was held as a General Session.   At 3:39 she begins talking specifically about what eBay said about how label purchasing/processing will need to be handled under the new protocol.

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2FvWGP_dK0&feature=youtu.be

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There is nothing there about shipping funds  up front  for the labels !!!!!   the link is a wast of  time .

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Hmmm...  You claimed that the eBay powers-that-be have said nothing about how how shipping labels will need to be handled with the new payment system including at the 2018 eBay Open.   Apparently, it was discussed and explained that sellers will have to purchase labels separately using non-eBay sales dollars from PayPal.   That is a significant change and one of several mention in the above video.

It doesn't have to be organized this way as other online marketplaces who use Adyen at the back end allow their sellers to purchase shipping services/labels directly through their seller accounts and have the cost deducted from their sales revenue.    Just another example about how eBay never makes decisions based on the impact on its stakeholders - it's all about them, all the time, which is a big reason why this selling platform is such a mess and its end-users so unhappy.

[calntom]

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@torontosix wrote:

I watched this video on youtube titled "Why I No Longer Use PayPal · Selling AND Buying" and I could relate entirely with it. (350,000 views - uploaded in december 2017).

I currently do not accept PayPal. I was wondering if Ayden will be a better processor for payments, and if anyone has any experiences with Ayden. 

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"Will Adyen fix some of the issues that sellers face?"

One of the problems with Paypal is the chargebacks we get from buyers after eBay has ruled in favor of the seller. Adyen won't fix this directly, but eBay using Adyen will cause the buyer to have to try to appeal back to eBay rather than Paypal. Of course the credit card companies can come into play, but they don't put up with a lot of the "continual filings" from buyers that Paypal does. 

[southern*sweet*tea]

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@calntom wrote:

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@torontosix wrote:

I watched this video on youtube titled "Why I No Longer Use PayPal · Selling AND Buying" and I could relate entirely with it. (350,000 views - uploaded in december 2017).

I currently do not accept PayPal. I was wondering if Ayden will be a better processor for payments, and if anyone has any experiences with Ayden. 

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"Will Adyen fix some of the issues that sellers face?"

One of the problems with Paypal is the chargebacks we get from buyers after eBay has ruled in favor of the seller. Adyen won't fix this directly, but eBay using Adyen will cause the buyer to have to try to appeal back to eBay rather than Paypal. Of course the credit card companies can come into play, but they don't put up with a lot of the "continual filings" from buyers that Paypal does. 

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And...a client (which would in this case be Ebay) can only have a ONE PERCENT chargeback rate before they can lose their account and ability to process payments. ONE PERCENT.

Ebay is very soon going to find out exactly what the extent of liar buyer fraud is here.  I know fraud happens, I don't think it's quite as high as it seems to be here on the boards, because we all know this is mainly for complaints, BUT right now I'm quite sure it well over one percent of transactions. My guess would be around 10%, + or - a bit.

Ebay will have to do one of two things: implement much tighter buyer controls and start banning abusers, or shift all responsibility to the sellers (ALL OF THEM, Chinese included) and then watch all their sellers leave.

Kick off your abuser buyers or kick off your good sellers - Ebay's choice. Curious to see how they'll handle it.

[carlmarxx]

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@calntom wrote:

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@torontosix wrote:

I watched this video on youtube titled "Why I No Longer Use PayPal · Selling AND Buying" and I could relate entirely with it. (350,000 views - uploaded in december 2017).

I currently do not accept PayPal. I was wondering if Ayden will be a better processor for payments, and if anyone has any experiences with Ayden. 

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"Will Adyen fix some of the issues that sellers face?"

One of the problems with Paypal is the chargebacks we get from buyers after eBay has ruled in favor of the seller. Adyen won't fix this directly, but eBay using Adyen will cause the buyer to have to try to appeal back to eBay rather than Paypal. Of course the credit card companies can come into play, but they don't put up with a lot of the "continual filings" from buyers that Paypal does. 

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If Ebay  plans to  fight snads ,then they  are on the hook to  deal with the retail buyer fraud  ,Buyer Mail fraud  returns  Case's  And will have to let their Rep's View  all uploaded  photos  from sellers . The Other issue is ebay will have to sitck with Buyer UA that Items Must Be return in same condition  they got from the seller.  Also Ebay need's to inforce  the no returns and refunds  on heath issue items .    For sellers with no returns  and no refund item sales  and have 100% details  about said items with all issues laid out ! Then buyer can't file a thing.   

[carlmarxx]

The*dog   when  Adyen  is full use , Then  Ebay's MBG is out window  ?

[tiramisu41]

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@calntom wrote:

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"Will Adyen fix some of the issues that sellers face?"

 One of the problems with Paypal is the chargebacks we get from buyers after eBay has ruled in favor of the seller. Adyen won't fix this directly, but eBay using Adyen will cause the buyer to have to try to appeal back to eBay rather than Paypal. Of course the credit card companies can come into play, but they don't put up with a lot of the "continual filings" from buyers that Paypal does. 

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Agree @calntom.    eBay bringing payments "in-house" should stop a buyer running to PayPal when they get no satisfaction from the usual eBay "case system," but I wonder whether it will also eliminate the ridiculous policy you run into on PayPal where they give buyers 180 days to request a refund?   Is that a PayPal policy, or a by-product of having to deal with credit card companies and their chargeback policies which might be regulated by Federal law?  Do you happen to know?

[calntom]

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@tiramisu41 wrote:

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@calntom wrote:

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"Will Adyen fix some of the issues that sellers face?"

 One of the problems with Paypal is the chargebacks we get from buyers after eBay has ruled in favor of the seller. Adyen won't fix this directly, but eBay using Adyen will cause the buyer to have to try to appeal back to eBay rather than Paypal. Of course the credit card companies can come into play, but they don't put up with a lot of the "continual filings" from buyers that Paypal does. 

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Agree @calntom.    eBay bringing payments "in-house" should stop a buyer running to PayPal when they get no satisfaction from the usual eBay "case system," but I wonder whether it will also eliminate the ridiculous policy you run into on PayPal where they give buyers 180 days to request a refund?   Is that a PayPal policy, or a by-product of having to deal with credit card companies and their chargeback policies which might be regulated by Federal law?  Do you happen to know?

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The CC companies are a year, Paypal gives the 180 days. I don't know the laws behind it.

As long as eBay is controlling all the money from the front end to the back end, I like that better as I think about it now. 

I do know that in one of the eBay updates back when they started talking about Adyen, eBay eluded to the point of having control of the money would be leveraged against buyer fraud, though I am not going to dig back to find that. I did start a thread at that time about the same, but it did not gain any traction from other posters.