02-11-2022 08:59 AM
I don't understand the return process.
I had a buyer open a fraudulent return claiming the item he bought was "fake". I assured him it wasn't and told him to return it for a refund if he was unhappy as I offer free returns for any reason (I provided him the serial numbers and let him know the same item would need to be returned).
He was provided a return label on January 15th and eBay gave him until February 8th (seriously, 3 weeks?!?) to send it back.
It's now February 11th and I see this screen in my return details:
The item should have already been delivered? And a green checkmark for "delivered"?
Obviously the tracking shows he never sent it back, and his account is now NARU (I'm assuming he was banned).
I called customer service yesterday because I was fed up that the 8th had passed (original date he had to send it back) and was told I had to wait until the 14th for the case to time out...
I'm worried though that the above screenshot shows that the item was delivered (even though tracking doesn't) and that I have until today to refund and that if I just wait for this to time out it might glitch and refund the buyer and give me a strike for not resolving the matter.
Regardless, why isn't their an option to escalate it for the reason "Buyer did not return the item". And why does the case suggest, let alone claim, that the item was delivered?
02-15-2022 06:34 AM
What a joke.
When I called in on 2/11 (remember that the buyer opened this return on 1/15) I was told that I had to wait until 2/14 (yesterday) and the return would close out.
It's 2/15 and the return is still open. The buyer did not send any items back. The prepaid label he was sent was never used (it's still awaiting an USPS acceptance scan) and has account has been banned (NARU).
To make it worse this is what I see in my dashboard for this return:
Do you see anything out of the ordinary? Maybe that it says under status "return delivered"? How does that happen?
And when I go to look at the details further I see this:
I can't even look at the return details now. My only options are to A) Issue a refund B) Contact the buyer (he's NARU) C) Report the buyer (I already did when he opened up this fraudulent return)
I have no idea how this could show a status of "delivered" and I imagine that has to be a glitch with eBay. He never sent anything back. He did not use the prepaid return label (last time I was able to look at the case details was around 2/13-2/14 and there was no acceptance scan) and he did not upload information pertaining to another return label.
It has now been over a months since the buyer opened the return and at least a week since he has been NARU.
I love how buyers have MBG but as sellers we can't even get a guarantee that there is transparency in how returns will be handled and that the process will work as we were told
02-15-2022 06:53 AM
The prepaid label he was sent was never used (it's still awaiting an USPS acceptance scan) and has account has been banned (NARU).
@bangordiscount
Buyers are not required to use the label you provided for the return. Buyers can ship back on their own, but in the case of a scam, the can a cheap item to you or your zipcode to satisfy proof of return. The automated eBay system, and the first tier eBay customer service only look at a status of "delivered". The fact that the tracking was for a 2 ounce bag of rubber bands, and the item to be returned was supposed to be30 lbs. will never be explored. The fact that the return is coming from Amazon instead of your buyer is not considered at this level.
While other carriers can be tracked online and show a delivery street address, USPS is NOT one of them. Hopefully, eBay will provide for you the actual number used in the case to determine a "delivered" status. You can use that, take a trip to the PO, and ask for a simple written documentation that the parcel was NOT intended for you. Sometimes you get the runaround, sometimes they are very cooperative and even provide you a photo of the actual label.
Then, off you go to use the big blue SEND MESSAGE button at the top of the page here. You can upload photos of your evidence and be sure to mention that the user is already Naru'd. Good luck to you.
https://www.facebook.com/eBayForBusiness
02-15-2022 06:57 AM
@bangordiscount wrote:I don't understand the return process.
I had a buyer open a fraudulent return claiming the item he bought was "fake". I assured him it wasn't and told him to return it for a refund if he was unhappy as I offer free returns for any reason (I provided him the serial numbers and let him know the same item would need to be returned).
He was provided a return label on January 15th and eBay gave him until February 8th (seriously, 3 weeks?!?) to send it back.
It's now February 11th and I see this screen in my return details:
The item should have already been delivered? And a green checkmark for "delivered"?
Obviously the tracking shows he never sent it back, and his account is now NARU (I'm assuming he was banned).
I called customer service yesterday because I was fed up that the 8th had passed (original date he had to send it back) and was told I had to wait until the 14th for the case to time out...
I'm worried though that the above screenshot shows that the item was delivered (even though tracking doesn't) and that I have until today to refund and that if I just wait for this to time out it might glitch and refund the buyer and give me a strike for not resolving the matter.
Regardless, why isn't their an option to escalate it for the reason "Buyer did not return the item". And why does the case suggest, let alone claim, that the item was delivered?
I don't believe the buyer pulled the "return the item to different address in same zipcode" scam. If a buyer uses their own shipping label aren't they required to update the tracking information into the return details?Wouldn't I then at that point be able to see what they used for a shipping label/service?
The last time I was able to access the return details the only return shipping information present was for the prepaid label that eBay provided on my behalf as I'm opted into free returns
Furthermore, I believe this is just bad programming/glitch because I was told I had until 02/11 to refund the buyer. It's now 2/15---if eBay's programming believed I had received the return (based off what information?) wouldn't they have closed the case and forced a refund from me by now?
It doesn't make any sense
02-15-2022 07:13 AM
It doesn't make any sense
Nothing much does here anymore.
02-15-2022 07:34 AM
--if eBay's programming believed I had received the return (based off what information?)
Contact eBay and ask them if they are basing it on another tracking number entered by your now Naur'd buyer if the case does not close in your favor today. Showing you a status of DELIVERED would be correct if an alternate tracking number was used. If they are displaying the "delivered" status simply because "it should have been delivered by now" it would be something else entirely. Good luck, and do let us know what you find out.
02-16-2022 07:50 AM
I called on 2/10 and was told after some research the case would close out automatically on 2/14.
As of today (2/16) it hasn't so I had eBay call me through the prompts on the website and I'm on hold. I was hoping to not only get this closed but also a detailed explanation as to why it's being handled the way it is (i.e. showing the item is or "should have been" delivered (when it was not, and tracking clearly shows that).
However based on the rep I'm working with and the amount of time I've been put on hold for the issued to be "researched" I'm probably just going to be lucky if they can close the case out in my favor
02-16-2022 07:57 AM
Return cases auto close 7 to 21 days after the 'date' the customer was to 'ship it back'.
They announced last year that they will NOT be expediting or closing returns early, even if you call in (due to Covid they gave more time and it will probably not change back)
02-16-2022 08:02 AM
@stainlessenginecovers wrote:Return cases auto close 7 to 21 days after the 'date' the customer was to 'ship it back'.
They announced last year that they will NOT be expediting or closing returns early, even if you call in (due to Covid they gave more time and it will probably not change back)
This response was posted earlier in the thread and it's not any more helpful now then it was than.
Buyer received return label on 1/15. He account has since been banned (NARU). It's now 2/16.
Is it 7 days or 21 days? Maybe 19? Why the range of 1-3 weeks and what does "date after the customer was to ship it back mean"? The date from when he got the return label? Or 1-3 weeks (lol again at the range of time) from the last date he was supposed to send it back?
Just looking for some clarity and transparency.
02-16-2022 08:11 AM
So this is where I'm at.
I should have contacted eBay though Facebook so I had a written/recorded dialogue of the response to hold them accountable---but I only like to go that avenue for the egregious mishandlings that happen 1-2 times a year. This is pretty cut and dry (or it should be).
I knew I was in trouble when "Boris" was on the other line and started off the conversation by saying:
"(My name), I see you have been an eBay member for 22 years---thank you for your loyalty"
and followed it with "no worries... eBay will always have your back" when I presented the situation.
^ This are two tell-tale examples that you have been outsourced to entry level customer service who are script reading (as are the numerous times I was put on hold).
Long story short, I did not get an explanation as to why the return shows up as delivered on the return dashboard graphics, despite any tracking number having been provided by the buyer, and the return label that was automatically generated when the return was opened was never used (eBay rep did confirm that no other tracking was added to the return details on behalf of the buyer). The rep also could not explain why my only options in the return case were to "refund" (which the return details stated I was supposed to do by 2/11) [Why then is the case even still open]?
eBay rep did confirm he saw that the buyer was "banned" (his words).
The call ended with the agent needing to do a "manual refund correction request" after putting me on hold 4 times. He was not able to just "close the return in my favor".
To make it more laughable I needed to confirm my PayPal e-mail address (ummm...... what?) and was told the correction would take 7-10 days to post.
Return is still open on my dashboard, again with no options other than to refund the buyer.
02-16-2022 08:23 AM
@bangordiscount
Thank you so much for the update. This whole thing is rather disturbing. especially that graphic showing "delivered". It looks to me like some sort of "trick". I also wonder how a refund to a NARU'd user would be accomplished anyway if you actually applied that option in error. Hopefully, the big blue SEND MESSAGE button on Facebook will help you with this situation. At least those people can process refunds and close cases.
Let us know how that turns out.
02-16-2022 08:26 AM
I'm contacting them (on Facebook) now. The refund is important, but my main objective is to get clarification as to why this return processed this way----when nothing in the return details shows any sort of proof the buyer even attempted to return the item.
I'm also surprised the eBay rep needed me to confirm my PayPal information (I've been enrolled in managed payments for over a year) to process a "manual correction" in 7-10 days.
02-16-2022 11:58 AM
@ittybitnot wrote:@bangordiscount
Thank you so much for the update. This whole thing is rather disturbing. especially that graphic showing "delivered". It looks to me like some sort of "trick". I also wonder how a refund to a NARU'd user would be accomplished anyway if you actually applied that option in error. Hopefully, the big blue SEND MESSAGE button on Facebook will help you with this situation. At least those people can process refunds and close cases.
Let us know how that turns out.
Not great. I am attaching screenshots of my conversation with the eBay for Business on Facebook rep. Basically his explanation was that their is a "weird quirk" that prevents a return from being manually closed if the BUYER is not eligible for buyer protection (MBG). [Read that again, it makes no sense]
So I was told it would close---but I needed to wait (no timeframe given). It's been open for over a month (1/15-2/16 thus far).
Screenshots below:
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4 of 4 (eBay rep response)
02-16-2022 12:02 PM
It's amazing to me that throughout this process nothing has been said which is verifiable. I've been told by community peers that I need to wait 1-2 weeks (nice... an undefined variable amount of time) after the date the buyer is supposed to send the item back (what is that date defined as? When he is provided a label? When he dispatches the return? The last date he is eligible to dispatch the return (again what is that defined as?)).
I've just been told to wait it out....
Yet no one can explain why the graphics in the return request and the text in the return request and my e-mails state the buyer either has return the item or that I should have received it.
No one can explain why my only option is to refund the buyer, why I was supposed to refund the buyer by 2/11 and why I no longer have the ability to escalate to eBay.
And now I'm being told the cause of this is because the buyer wasn't eligible for buyer protection? What?
Another "weird quirk" indeed
02-20-2022 08:21 AM
Still waiting for this return to close out (it was opened 1/15).
Still waiting for the "manual credit" to be issued for the funds that have been held.
Makes no sense that this "weird quirk" is because the buyer went NARU and as the eBay rep said "wasn't eligible for buyer protections". You'd think in an instance where the buyer wasn't eligible for protections, it would favor the seller---not screw them into having to wait over 5+ weeks for a return to close out and the funds to be released
02-20-2022 08:48 AM
You'd think in an instance where the buyer wasn't eligible for protections, it would favor the seller---not screw them into having to wait over 5+ weeks for a return to close out and the funds to be released
@bangordiscount
Indeed. Thanks for the update on this.