03-26-2023 06:37 PM
This is SICK tactics by eBay to try and bring down a journalist who is trying to bring to light a crackdown on 2nd Amendment rights. And the CEO exits with a golden parachute. **bleep**!!!!!!
03-27-2023
05:36 PM
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03-28-2023
08:59 AM
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kh-phdan
@coolections wrote:
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:
I've never felt the blog had a personal point of view or that there was any "hatred", etc.
Have you ever attempted to post there. If not, I can tell you that every post gets screened and you must be permitted by those two to even have a post shown. If it does not meet their mantra then forget about it.
And yet another mischaracterization from you. What you are saying is simply false. I don't even post there, just read. I see comments from BOTH sides of the coin. It's not just a hate filled diatribe in the comments.
03-27-2023 05:38 PM
Wrong, I know from experience. Believe me when I tell you if they are talking hate on a topic you better keep going with that mantra or your post will not be permitted.
03-27-2023 05:40 PM - edited 03-27-2023 05:42 PM
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:I've never felt the blog had a personal point of view or that there was any "hatred", etc. Yes, some of the articles & coverage are negative b/c some people's experiences with Ebay are negative. Honestly I have seen much more hatred towards Ebay on the boards here.
Let's keep in mind that one of the people was a former Police Captain, he's the one who's trying to blame eBay for his alcoholism. Even his wife is in on blaming Ebay for the corporate culture that celebrated alcohol.
Another one of the ringleaders manipulated another defendant, a young, married woman into a sexual relationship with him, as part of all of this & also subsequently gave her a sizeable "bonus". I would love to know who paid for that bonus.
Also yet another (or maybe one of these, the names are starting to confuse me) is basically filing a counterclaim against Ebay, saying that he was hired to do this job & did exactly what he was hired to do, so he should not be held liable b/c he was simply doing what the employer ordered him to do.
Make no mistake, when all of this happens on company time, using company resources, both financial & physical, the company is liable. It should be pretty simple to prove. Most of this occurred in company meetings, conference rooms, using company resources to fly to MA, renting cars using company money. The whole "White Knight" strategy made it very clear, how well thought out & planned this was. I mean, there just is no question - when employees do bad things on company time, using company money, as part of a huge orchestrated campaign, companies are liable. There's a reason $60M was set aside for this in the latest 10K (I think that's where it was published).
And I still want to know why these employees were staying at the Ritz Carlton? I traveled for a Fortune 100 company every week for over a decade. Ritz Carltons are NOT the norm in Corporate travel. I lucked out 3x & got to stay in one, each time b/c the Fortune 100 company I was doing business at had a negotiated rate there due to location proximity. If the Ritz Carlton is the norm at Ebay, then I should look into a job there. It would have been SO MUCH more comfortable than the Marriott 😄
@simply-the-best-for-you both Security Manager Philip Cooke and Senior Manager of Special Operations Brian Gilbert were ex-Santa Clara PD...and both of them got to keep their $200k+/year police pensions despite pleading guilty to federal felonies. 😮
Director of Security Jim Baugh (the highest up in the security department) is the one was married and manipulated his much younger subordinate into a sexual relationship and bribed her to try to influence her communications when meeting with FBI investigators.
He's also the one who is counter-suing eBay saying they should be responsible to pay for any settlement or damages assigned to him because he should be indemnified under CA labor law due to "just doing his job."
The whole "White Knight" strategy made it very clear, how well thought out & planned this was. I mean, there just is no question - when employees do bad things on company time, using company money, as part of a huge orchestrated campaign, companies are liable.
I agree with that 100%! That part hasn't gotten as much media attention, but the court documents make it very clear the "White Knight" strategy was the end game and an integral part of what happened/why it happened.
I've seen some comments here and elsewhere dismissing the deliveries etc. as "juvenile pranks" but a a lot of people seem to have missed that it escalated to in person surveillance, trespassing, and a (thankfully failed) attempt to break into the Steiner's garage with the explicit intent to install a GPS tracking device on their vehicle....all in furtherance of trying to "find and destroy" (in Baugh's words) Fidomaster/unsuckEBAY.
03-27-2023 05:48 PM
@coolections wrote:
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:I've never felt the blog had a personal point of view or that there was any "hatred", etc.
Have you ever attempted to post there. If not, I can tell you that every post gets screened and you must be permitted by those two to even have a post shown. If it does not meet their mantra then forget about it.
@coolections Sure. Many times over the years. Never had a problem. I have personally contacted Ina about specific glitches & though I haven't posted there for years, I saw just a week or so ago that one of the posts I had here, about a glitch, made the front page, though my name was not on it. So yeah, I've had a casual reader/contributor relationship with them. I don't know them personally in any way, but I have communicated with Ina in trying to get resolution for certain glitches. I don't know that I've ever had a post pre-screened, but hey, it's their website, so it wouldn't bother me if they did. In fact, I would expect them to, since most small websites screen the public posts before publishing them, so they can avoid profanity, libelous statments, etc. I've never had an issue. Every post I've sent has been published, but mine are usually centered on technical topics/glitches.
03-27-2023 05:55 PM - edited 03-27-2023 05:59 PM
@coolections wrote:
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:I've never felt the blog had a personal point of view or that there was any "hatred", etc.
Have you ever attempted to post there. If not, I can tell you that every post gets screened and you must be permitted by those two to even have a post shown. If it does not meet their mantra then forget about it.
Not so - I don't really post there recently but my posts were mostly in opposition of some of the more egregious nonsense I read on there. There's a poster there named "Marie" who I think also posts on here, who also steers a commonsense course. Ina has actually posted on there telling people to calm down when it has gotten personal. *
*TBH, it's mostly the same gang who posts on there with others who post less regularly, and it's no better or worse than most comment sections. I do see why blogs and other new organisations are getting rid of comment sections as they're magnets for nutcases and the fringe, but I've read so much worse elsewhere than on Ina's blog.
Also, I doubt anyone at eBay even cared until Wenig and his crew got their panties in a twist over it, and it ended up blowing open how toxic that department and its techbro culture was. A great opportunity to clean out the rubbish. No respectable company really wants or needs that kind of personnel and it says a great deal more about the people involved than the company as a whole.
03-27-2023 05:59 PM - edited 03-27-2023 06:00 PM
Thank you @valueaddedresource . I thought it was Baugh, but I was so caught up all day in trying to get my tech issue from my post on Friday night fixed, that I didn't have time to research it who it was & didn't want to get it wrong. Both parties were married IIRC & the young women felt threatened into complying with the sexual demands of her boss. Borderline **bleep** in my book.
This is a little thing, but you'll recall that I pointed it out to you at the time, I still wonder how that licensed piece of music got into the Walker's West video & was the licensing fee paid? One of those pieces of music was a huge hit in the hip hop world involving household names like Dr. Dre & Snoop Dogg that would surely have cost a SMALL FORTUNE to license, as it's practically an anthem these days. Now, Ebay CAN AFFORD a small fortune, so perhaps they DID pay that licensing fee & back in the Meg days, A list performers were often hired for the Live Events, but I was shocked to hear such a famous & seemingly super expensive piece of music used in that video. Maybe they paid the fee or maybe some coerced employee copied it off the internet. We'll probably never know.
I love Ebay, I really do. I've been here since the beginning. But when something is egregious, it needs to be called out & what happened to the Steiners, I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy!
03-27-2023 06:01 PM - edited 03-27-2023 06:01 PM
Not Bared Naked Ladies then. 🙄
(they were at an eBay live one year)
03-27-2023 06:05 PM
Well the share holder lawsuits have not started yet, but there are several asking about class action statis.
03-27-2023 06:06 PM - edited 03-27-2023 06:07 PM
@chapeau-noir wrote:Not Bared Naked Ladies then. 🙄
(they were at an eBay live one year)
@chapeau-noir Ha! I'm trying to remember who I saw. I believe it was the Neville Brothers & it was in N'Awlins, so that would make sense. It's hard to remember though b/c I was still traveling then & had Million Miler status with my airline, who often did private concerts for us & I attended them all. I may be mixing up the Neville Bros. from the private concerts vs the entertainment Ebay hired. The private concerts were almost all blues based, so it's possible I saw the Neville Bros at both. I think I read that Weird Al was at one of the Ebay events too.
ETA: THe Barenaked Ladies are not my thing at all, but they actually are really big in Canada.
03-27-2023 08:22 PM
It is likely that many confuse the articles written on the site with what people that post on the site write.
Many of the posters hate Ebay for one reason or another. Quite a few of those, by their own admission, have been banned from the Ebay Community for years and they really harbor hatred towards Ebay over that alone.
03-27-2023 08:29 PM
Actually some of the most venomous posts on that site come from sellers that still sell on Ebay. They are banned from the Community here, but they do still sell. To me it makes no sense.
Then there are others that stop selling years ago, but just can't seem to let go. That I really don't understand. Why spend so much time hating a site of any kind that is for commercial purposes. I know I can sure find much better things to do.
03-27-2023 08:43 PM
@vintagecraze50 wrote:Typical of alcoholics to blame everybody but themselves for their addiction.
If only it was that simple.
03-27-2023 08:45 PM
@policequilts wrote:I don't know if it applies to the civil suits but, I wonder if eBay can "claw back" Weinig bonus to offset this suit if found guilty or causing the problem?
Highly unlikely, there would have been some kind of contract signed at the time by both parties. Besides he is named in the suit too.
03-27-2023 08:53 PM
@coolections wrote:
@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:I've never felt the blog had a personal point of view or that there was any "hatred", etc.
Have you ever attempted to post there. If not, I can tell you that every post gets screened and you must be permitted by those two to even have a post shown. If it does not meet their mantra then forget about it.
Now that is something I've never heard about Ecommercebytes. Where did you learn this?
If you are making that judgement because you don't see new names pop up posting on the site, that is more likely due to not wanting to be attacked by the regulars, especially if you don't agree with them.
03-27-2023 08:55 PM
@coolections wrote:Wrong, I know from experience. Believe me when I tell you if they are talking hate on a topic you better keep going with that mantra or your post will not be permitted.
That simply is not true.