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What is wrong about March 2019 seller update changing fixed price listings to good until canceled?

When are the duration choices for fixed price listings coming back?  Please let Ebay know that you want a choice to choose "good until canceled", not be forced into it.   It sounds good... until you figure out that you're going to be charged insertion fees on all your listings over the free 50 per month if you don't have a store.   So, if we received additional promotional listings during any given month, when the 30 day, good until canceled, fixed price listings auto renew, we will be charged insertion fees for all the listings that have rolled over that exceed the 50 free or don't happen to hit a promotion at the exact time they roll over!  That's a lot of money.  Money, I personally can't afford.  Stores are also impacted by this.

 

I have been selling on ebay since 2002.  I figured out that fixed price listings work better for me than auctions.  I refuse to start an auction with a lower price than I am willing to take for an item.  I start an auction with the price I would be happy to accept!  Add to that,  the 30% more that Ebay requires for buy it now, and you make your item very unappealing!   I would rather donate my items before I sell them for less money than they're worth, or worth to me in time and effort and final value fees.  Selling with Ebay has to be worth the time to research, list, package, and mail.  It takes a lot of time to even get one package out the door, which I am very happy to do, considering I sold it for what I was asking for it. I do not have a store, nor do I sell multiple items in single listings.  I sell items that are my only, or only lot of 1 per listing.  The good until canceled does not benefit me, and I am positive I am not alone.  I don't sell multiples,. The "out of stock" part of the "talk it up part" of this change, does nothing for sellers that are just trying to sell their own previously owned items to help with the family income.  We're not big time, we can't afford this change.  Please sellers let Ebay know that you're not happy about this.  Maybe, just maybe, they'll listen!  We had the choice before to choose good until canceled.  Please bring back that CHOICE. 

 

A lot of people won't play the auction game, and I don't blame them.   Personally, if I want to buy something, I usually want to buy it when I hit the button to purchase it.

 
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And if we revise the GTC listing while it's active - say we lower the asking price and we lower the Promoted Listing Fee Percentage we choose to pay for advertising it - and someone had clicked on the Promoted Listing previous to the changes, now buys it within 30 days of clicking on it, we will be charged the higher % from when the item was at the higher price. That's not fair.  Anybody else see this as a problem?

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And if we revise the GTC listing while it's active - say we lower the asking price and we lower the Promoted Listing Fee Percentage we choose to pay for advertising it - and someone had clicked on the Promoted Listing previous to the changes, now buys it within 30 days of clicking on it, we will be charged the higher % from when the item was at the higher price. That's not fair.  Anybody else see this as a problem?

 
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@jz-5682 wrote:
So you're saying now our sales will be even worse because with GTC they will be viewed as stagnant? Oyeevay!

Your items are viewed as stagnant once they reach 90 days unsold. Stale once 30 days unsold. This all has an effect on visibility. As does promotions, sponsorships, return/shipping policies, etc. These things combine with typical SEO statistics like Impressions/Views and cheaper prices. 

 

A brief example, since Sponsorships are taking up space on the first page of search, there's less "natural" search spots for those without sponsorships. This means you get less impressions/views since you have less spots. This means over time, your search placement is WORSE than it was before they added sponsorships. 

Problem is, some of them are at odds with each other. If you give free returns, that up's the price. If you give a % to sponsored listings, that up's the price. But higher prices also result in worse placement. This mean it's no longer possible to have a "perfect listing" that meets all requirements (you can't be cheapest price + best shipping returns + sponsorships), and because of this, even top sellers on eBay are noticing a year by year decline. From a design perspective, it makes sense to see a decline. It's unsustainable design.


I've met with several category managers of eBay staff in person and described these issues. I was basically told that "eBay is a big ship and takes time to change direction", but also was told that 2019 was going to be a year of focus on promotions/sponsorships. So this means the unsustainable design is here for at least 2019 (and everyone is seeing it now due to GTC change).

 

https://content.screencast.com/users/NDrosos/folders/Jing/media/b0dbb1c3-2ba7-4543-9bed-4c0e21fa4dbe...

 

Here's an example above. Now please note, we're the #1 seller in our category of Motors, and we have been for 4-5+ years. 2019 is about the same amount of decline that 2018 had. Notice the peaks are lower, and the line is becoming "flatter"? This is a sign of unsustainable design.


But it's NOT just us. Even though we've seen a huge drop (atm eBay is saying 28.1% decline from last year), when we compare statistics to our competition, you'd think we may have dropped from our #1 spot? Nope. ALL the other top sellers have seen drops as well and we're still in the lead, this chart I showed eBay staff when I met with them in January:

https://content.screencast.com/users/NDrosos/folders/Jing/media/7a516ac5-13a0-433b-87c0-01796dbc6a5d...

 

Furthermore Terapeak shows that top sellers have dropped from 40% to 27% market share in just one year. The bar for success on eBay is getting lower and lower. It's no longer possible to be a "good seller" if you follow eBay policies. You're not rewarded for strong work. And you're potentially punished for customers claims on returns, rather than returns than were actual decided against you - no way to separate good and bad sellers.

 

So strong, high performing sellers are being "normalized" and the "wealth is spread" to poor sellers, China sellers, and poor dropshipping companies, rather than sellers actually being rewarded for following eBay policies and performing well. You get no rewards as sellers taking losses for returns for customers, no rewards for having strong feedback (feedback is 100% ignored in search). No way to prove yourself to the search engine as being a "good seller that deserves more traffic".

 

The designed is flawed and makes no sense.


I have some posts I've wrote over the last year about these issues, as well as some technical issues (which are hopefully fixed but not sure because some people still appear to have similar issues), as well as posts about the current design and how it's unsustainable.  I'm considered making a topic linking these since it seems more relevant now that everyone seems to be in a similar situation. I had never realized how many people actually don't use GTC, but a lot of the issues make much more sense now as to why only some people ran in to them but many didn't understand.

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@zamo-zuan wrote:

Well, for some of the people here, if you have a small amount of listings, there's a fairly simple solution to that and that's just to manually end your listings a day before they expire.

But I paid for that day.  As my only option to end the listing without getting charged again is to cancel it before it is automatically relisted, it seems like I should receive a prorated refund for the time not used.

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As far as hoping eBay will walk back this change, this question came  up at Chat today.  One of the Blues stated in today's Chat that eBay has no plans to rescind this change.

 

You can read the Chat for today if you care to confirm this; there are other GTC related questions there as well.

 

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/Community-Chat-March-27-1-00-pm-PT-General-Topics/m-p/29652254...

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Thank you for your detailed explanation. It explains a lot. I just hope the big ship isn't the Titanic!
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@jz-5682 wrote:
Thank you for your detailed explanation. It explains a lot. I just hope the big ship isn't the Titanic!

You would be surprised how many times I heard the Titanic comparison after mentioning the results of the meeting!

I really do hope eBay makes a turn for the best, though. As we are an eBay seller, eBay's success is our success.

 

It's just frightening that these types of changes could be implemented. They are obviously decided & designed by someone who is not an IT/software design expert, nor someone knowledgeable with marketing, as the problems are obvious. 

 

This is beyond the very obvious fact that all these changes have increased eBay prices compared to competitor marketplaces, and that is hurting eBay's potential for sales, and giving away their biggest advantage when compared to the competitors. 

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This is absurd I sell many  seasonal items and prefer to keep items back now and then . I prefer the 30 day option - and would like to see a petition to bring it back . This is nothing but a money grab -nothing else. Bring back 30 day listing option - So sick of Ebay doing this **bleep** with no seller input. they continually forget who pays the bills.

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I really don't like the new requirement that all fixed priced listings are Good Til Canceled. I'm going to have to keep an eye on all my listings now so I don't get charged when the 30 days end. This is an easy way to get charged insertion fees if you don't pay attention, especially if it doesn't sync with the billing cycle. Also items that I need to remove because they haven't sold may auto-renew if I forget. It just seems like an easy way to get money out of people who don't pay attention and a way to create more of a headache and time waste for sellers.

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Buyers are just sitting on the fence watching items not buying now.This  good until cancel sucks, getting out of Ebay soon. GRRRR!

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Lemonade Stands treat their customers with respect..........

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I TOTALLY agree! AND you bring up a great point which I never even thought about... Good 'til Sold/Cancelled counting against the monthly "Free 50" listings and those additional charges!

How do I go about complaining to ebay? If ebay won't listen is there another avenue to take regarding this? (besides leaving ebay...LOL!)

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@joanee45 

 

Check your local laws. Where I live many terms in eBays contract are void and illegal (changing contracts, offering a renew feature without an option to stop the renew for the full term, anti-competition laws, filing legal complaints, etc).

 

A quick letter to local Market Columns in your State paper or government complaints board may be an option.

 

There is precedent of at least one GTC class action that was won and settled publicly. Possibly more but hard to tell with the NDE abuse these days...

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Most people seem to believe this is to generate additional listing fees, I doubt that's the case,

 

Really?  This is obviously the case if you are a small seller.  You are either obtuse or well informed shill.  The small seller is being screwed, anyone can see that.  This change might be good to big sellers but. it leaves us small sellers with obscure items left in the dirt.  I simply don't make any sales with auctions, and can't afford to abide by the new policy.  

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Do you not think eBay needs to make a profit to keep the site up?

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