Ty beanie boo manufacture errors question

[crystals1953]

Just a question i need an answer to.  Can a seller sell a TY beanie baby product they know that it is a manufacture error but they dont list it as such and they list it as new because its not been played with.?   The swing tags were removed and tush tags cut off but the seller is listing them like i said as new and no mention they are manufacture errors although it does state no swing tag or tush tag in their listing description.  And selling them as a regular price.  Can a seller do this?    I am not the seller but the buyer.

[crystals1953]

Yeah they responded by saying its not their fault if i went ahead and sent in a regular beanie boo for authentication.  In other words i was stupid.

[luckythewinner]

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Just a question i need an answer to.  Can a seller sell a TY beanie baby product they know that it is a manufacture error but they dont list it as such and they list it as new because its not been played with.?   The swing tags were removed and tush tags cut off but the seller is listing them like i said as new and no mention they are manufacture errors although it does state no swing tag or tush tag in their listing description.  And selling them as a regular price.  Can a seller do this?    I am not the seller but the buyer.

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Can a seller do this? 

Yes, it is possible for a seller to list an item with tags cut off as "new", because there is no policy agaist it and because ther is no one at eBay who is analyzing the pictures on a listing to ensure that the condition of an item is accurate.

Is it wise for a seller to do this?

That is up to the seller. Personally, I would not do it - but if his buyers do not have a problem with it, then neither does the seller. If there is a consensus among Ty Beanie Boo buyers that this is a bad practice and that these manufacturer errors are not considered "new", the issue will correct itself through buyer disputes. 

I am not a Ty collector, so I have no idea what the collector community thinks of this. These sound a bit like "cut outs" in vinyl record collecting - the manufacturer dumps them on the market, but clips the corner or drills a hole in them so they cannot be returned. Record collectors still consider them to be "new" or "sealed", but it is bad form not to mention the cutout mark. 

As an aside, the fact that the seller is selling them at "regular" price has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Sellers are free to set whatever price they want.

It sounds like you are the one who has a problem with this - if so, do not buy and the "problem" is solved.

[crystals1953]

Why are you getting on my case?  I just ask a simple question.  Wow yes problem solved the seller lost a buyer.

[luckythewinner]

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Why are you getting on my case?  I just ask a simple question.  Wow yes problem solved the seller lost a buyer.

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I was not "getting on your case". I was answering your question, and explaining that there might be more nuance to the issue than think.

[emerald40]

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Yeah they responded by saying its not their fault if i went ahead and sent in a regular beanie boo for authentication.  In other words i was stupid.

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When I buy expensive jewelry I always bring it to a gemologist to have him check it.

But I do it on my dime.  I cannot expect the seller to pay for it.  It is for my peace of mind.

[crystals1953]

Its ok no worries i learned a valuable lesson, now i know. Thanks!

[emerald40]

I know some do not ask because they think KaChing the seller does not realize it is actually more valuable.

It happens, but then you have to be able to know the difference.

You should have requested close up photos.

Or when you received it you should have done a little reading where you would have looked for evidence of holes to know someone cut it out after the manufacturing process.

[crystals1953]

It wasnt KaChing, it was a different seller.  I don’t even know who KaChing is.   I did look at them but it so hard to tell i am not an expert on what is legit or a tampered item that is why I sent it in to authenticate it because i am not an expert.  Regardless i will be very careful even though i thought i was, the next time i will know what questions to ask and whatto look for.  But i also know sellers don’t like a lot of questions so i just like i said be little more wiser now that i learned something

[city*satins]

OK I'm still confused.  Here are my questions:

1.  Did you originally purchase this item thinking that it was a manufacturing error and that the seller was unaware of it and  therefore hadn't disclosed it as such?  Were you hoping it was a more valuable piece?  

2. You mention the asking price of the item being like a regular piece.  Why is this relevant? Or did you just mention it as additional info? Did the asking price imply something about its value - something misleading?

3.  Did the photos in the listing show enough detail for you to see that the tush and/or swing tags had been present at one time and then removed?  Or did the photos instead give the impression that the tush and swing tags had never been present in the first place?

4. When you received the item, was it evident to you that the tush tag had been cut out vs was never there in the first place?  Could you see where the swing tag had once been attached? Or did this information come to you after TY examined the item?

5. If it's a manufacturing error is that only if the swing and tush tags were never present in the first place?   Or can the manufacturer have cut those off? 

6.  If the latter, you seem to be saying that Ty cannot tell whether they cut off the tags or someone else did. Which means that they aren't able to authenticate the item.

7. Your seller says after all this (not in the listing) that it's a manufacturer error - did they tell you how they know this = e.g. that they bought the item retail or something?

8. You have suggested numerous times that the seller should have disclosed that it is a manufacturer error but at the same time you seem to doubt whether this is true.  I am confused why you are objecting that although the seller disclosed that the tush and hangtags were absent, they did not state in the listing that it was a manufacturer error while at the same time suggesting to us that indeed it was NOT a manufacturer error.  

Thus I'm confused.

You seem to have (at least this is the impression you give) purchased this item in hopes that it was more valuable than the seller realized which could make it a bit of a scoop.  Now you are disappointed that it's not resellable for more money.

Are you also disappointed that the seller did not misrepresent it as a manufacturer's error?  Since now you can not open a SNAD case and return it for a full refund + return shipping on the seller's dime?  That is the impression I get when I drill down on your suggestion that the seller should have disclosed something that wasn't in fact verifiable.  If the seller had said it was a manufacturer's error and you opened a SNAD case the seller would have lost.  Since the seller didn't do that, it's your loss instead.

[city*satins]

Taking the liberty of explaining emerald's KaChing.....

KaChing is as cash register noise. Not the name of a seller.

[crystals1953]

Stop already. I feel i am getting ganged up on. How dare you accuse me of wanting todo do such a thing as if that was my intention.   I am not opening any disbute the seller does offers returns i am not happy they were tampered with, that is not my fault! and its nobodies  business what my intent was on buying them. That is not the issue.  Again i was only asking if the seller knows these are manufacturer errors should it be stated on their listing.  Why are you accusing me of unethical practices!  I am not that kind of person, i always pay right away and i have a tendecy to trust people but obviously i can’t do that so much.  I am so done with this conversation, i am sorry i brought it up.  I was looking for a little help to a simple question that is all.  Thanks everyone for your input

[lookng2015]

I don't know beanies but I do know my head hurts.

[city*satins]

Again i was only asking if the seller knows these are manufacturer errors should it be stated on their listing.

But since you know that this is non provable, you know that if the seller were to say in the listing that it is a manufacturer error that would be misrepresentation. In fact it's the exact reason that you can't list it yourself for more $$.  The seller disclosed that the tags were missing.  Not that the cause was something that you yourself know can't be verified.

So why else would a buyer complain that the seller didn't misrepresent the item or make an unverifiable claim about it in the listing???  

[fern*wood]

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I don't know beanies but I do know my head hurts.

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This one does make the head spin.  I think the OP was upset that the seller didn't describe the beanie as an oddity, since it turned out to not be an oddity as the buyer had hoped for.

[crystals1953]

You are misunderstanding. It is not what you are saying.  And who said anything about me selling them? I didnt say anything like that.  these are for my own personal collection.  I collect odditys errors prototypes ect.  Whats the use, you dont know me and yet your very hostile and questioning my character.   The seller told me later when i ask them about the tampering that these were manufacturer errors themselves.  They stated this not me.   I only wanted to know should that be disclosed on their listing as such. That was all my question was about.   How much more simple can i make this.   Regards