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Time away vs. extending handling time. Thoughts?

What would you do?  I am leaving on a Sunday and returning late on a Wednesday.  

 

Trying to weigh the pros/cons.  I usually do time away, but I will be gone a shorter time than normal.   My current handling time is 3 days.

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When ever we went  out of town would simply extend  our handling time to cover the time we would be out of town +2 days.  We drove 99.9% of the time.  Never found that I was without out access to a PC  at a hotel/motel or at the home where we will be staying .  Some people use  their  cellphones - I will not - key pad too small and it  makes  me cuss at times .  Yeah am old school & like it that way.  Mainly replied to an eBay Messages -  To me eBay or any other similar site  is a commitment to to 24/7/365/6, service of buyers and potential buyers aka customer first.attitude. Plus believe in "where there is the will there is a way" .

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Thank you for the replies everyone.  Much appreciated.  I have decided to use time away. 

 

@wastingtime101  - I appreciate you laying out the time away info.  Hoping you can clarify two things for me as I have only used it a few times, and it has been awhile.

1) can I ship orders w/o penalty while still on time away? I might extend time away by a few days just to be able to have a cushion for shipping / be able to do a bit at a time when back.

2) I know I cannot INITIATE offers, but if i get a buyer initiated offer and accept/counter that offer, does that still fall under the extended handling time of time away?  (I find this to be confusing.)

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@jjddmwi wrote:

1) can I ship orders w/o penalty while still on time away? I might extend time away by a few days just to be able to have a cushion for shipping / be able to do a bit at a time when back.

2) I know I cannot INITIATE offers, but if i get a buyer initiated offer and accept/counter that offer, does that still fall under the extended handling time of time away?  (I find this to be confusing.)


1. Yes, you can ship while on Time Away. You can also end Time Away early if you're adding a cushion you don't need in the end.

 

2. I'm not surprised you're confused; it's confusing and illogically programmed. Manually accepted buyer initiated offers will have the extended Time Away handling. It's the only offer situation that works with Time Away settings.

 

Auto-accepted buyer initiated offers will not have extended handling. Counter offers will not have extended handling.

 

These are all the offer exemptions with Time Away where eBay will not extend your handling time:

  • Second Chance Offers
  • Auto-accepted offers
  • Pending counter-offers
  • Seller initiated offers accepted during Time Away

 

eBay wants to push everybody to use offers?  They should extend handling for all offers during Time Away.

 

I've heard eBay say "plan ahead" to deal with the 4 day offer window + potential 4 day payment window. Sure, works for a planned vacation. But how about that emergency situation - weather event, injury, last minute work trip, hospital stay, family emergency? Can't plan ahead for that stuff!

 

Hey kyle@ebay - this idiotic programming is coming up again. It comes up somewhat regularly, actually. I know you passed on feedback a year ago (link), but it's still problematic. Please pass this on again - thanks in advance!

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@wastingtime101   Thank you.  Yikes!  Clear as mud.  It really shouldn't be so confusing. 

 

I *think* I get it.... don't initiate any offers a week before or during time away.  Don't counter any buyer initiated offers during time away.

 

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I've done it many times and found that just about NO BUYER sees it, pays attention to it (the 'time away, return date) and now that 'handling time' is hidden and buried deep in the 'you need to know how to find' coffers of a listing- best to just BLOCK ALL SALES while gone. 

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@jjddmwi  Not that @wastingtime101  needs my support, but I just want to verify that what they say in post 18 is correct & ask me how I know LOL.  Yes, I was on 'vacation', not really, I was gone for over 2 weeks dealing with my mom's house in another state & I continued sending offers as usual.  I EXPECTED that when I got home, I'd package all the sales up.  What HAPPENED was that they all had Ship By my normal 2 day Handling Time.  My DH was not very pleased as he had to pack & ship them all until I figured out what was happening!  And you're right, it shouldn't be so convoluted & confusing  kyle@ebay  & it was a real shock when it happened to me!  They did make the exceptions clearer, but there's no reason for it be an exception.  I was stunned & my DH who still works was not happy to have to suddenly pkg a bunch of sales.  Luckily he works from home.  


What I did on subsequent trips is send my offers a day before I left their state (2 day drive home) & then packaged as soon as I got back home.  You may want to just wait until you get back b/c it's still a risk to do it even 2 days in advance in case a truck smushed me on I-40 on the way back.  

 

I can also confirm that there is no penalty or issue with shipping immediately, even if you're on Time Away, I have done it many times. 

 

Also, my experience has been the exact opposite of @stainlessenginecovers  I used to write every single buyer to make sure they saw that I was gone.  I quit doing it b/c every single one had seen it & was fine with it.  I've probably done it on 30 trips now & ALWAYS leave them up for sale & stopped bothering to touch base with the buyers, many years ago. 

 

ETA:  I can also confirm from recent experience that if you get a RETURN while you're gone & your mail is on Vacation Hold with the USPS, it counts as Delivered & you have 2 days or whatever it is to respond!  That happened on another trip down there when hubby came along & so we really were gone & I got a SNAD & had to Accept it before being able to inspect the item.  Another flaw in the system as far as I'm concerned.  It should not be Accepted until the mail is actually delivered to YOU.  

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eBay Seller since 1996

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@wastingtime101 

I'm planning a trip within the next month and had planned to set of  Time Away then keep tabs on my account and send offers as the opportunities arise.  Thanks for the heads up that by doing so I may only be screwing myself by failing to ship within my normal handling time. 

 

Doesn't eBay want us to remain as engaged as possible with our potential buyers and make sales even if we're on vacation? Who is making these crackpot decisions?

 

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Going on vacation mode tanks your sales... I use extended handling times.  When  buyer purchases I contact to make sure they realize it.  Occasionally some will ask to cancel, most say "no worries, enjoy your vacation!"

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It only tanks your sales if you don't allow sales, though I suppose you may lose some sales if someone needs the item quickly. 

 

I've used it so many times in the last 2 years, my sales were normal the entire time I was gone, every time I used it.  But I don't sell the type of item that's typically an urgent need. 

This one goes to Eleven - Nigel Tufnel

Simply-the-best-for-you Volunteer Community Mentor
eBay Seller since 1996

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Hey @wastingtime101 and @simply-the-best-for-you thanks for checking in.  I'll be glad to pass this along again to the appropriate teams for review!

Kyle,
eBay
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@wastingtime101 

 

Thanks for the refresher on offers during time away. 

  • Seller initiated offers accepted during Time Away

I forgot about that one and sent some offers over the weekend....

Hopefully no one buys Thursday as I will be on Time Away.

 

Though I am always available when out of town to answer questions, deal with returns etc.  Too easy for me to check ebay at least once a day. 

 

Had not used time away since last summer. 

 

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When ever we here in N.J. are going to be away for a bit we always take everything down.  When we return we just relist & are back up & running again.  Potentional buyers may not see your handling time changes & this May invite a negative review..............IMHO Of-Course.  Good Luck!

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Thanks kyle@ebay . Can you clarify something, please?

 

On the Time Away exclusions list stating when handling time / EDD is not updated is this line item:

"Items with local pickup or in-store pickup as the shipping option"

 

I always overlooked that because I assumed it applied to listings that offered pickup as the only option because it says as "the" shipping option not as "a" shipping option.

 

I was looking at the page today and wondered - is that a correct assessment or is it incorrect?

 

For example:

 

- Store is on Time Away, with seller allowing sales.

- Listing offers a choice of shipping USPS or local pickup.

- Buyer chooses USPS shipping.

- Will handling time on that transaction be extended for Time Away, or does the fact local pickup was offered (offered, but not chosen) mean handling time is not extended?

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@simply-the-best-for-you wrote:

I can also confirm from recent experience that if you get a RETURN while you're gone & your mail is on Vacation Hold with the USPS, it counts as Delivered & you have 2 days or whatever it is to respond!  That happened on another trip down there when hubby came along & so we really were gone & I got a SNAD & had to Accept it before being able to inspect the item.  Another flaw in the system as far as I'm concerned.  It should not be Accepted until the mail is actually delivered to YOU.  


I understand why you see it as a flaw, and as a seller I also find it frustrating when I cannot physically verify an item was returned and inspect it before refunding @simply-the-best-for-you .

 

At the same time imagine being the buyer and their return is delivered a couple days after your shop is put on 30 day Time Away mode. Is that buyer supposed to wait 30 days for their refund just because you're on a break and the PO is holding your mail? No way buyers would be OK with that.

 

We as sellers are offered protections when buyers have mail held at the PO for pickup. That held for pickup scan counts as delivered if an INR is filed and counts as delivered to start the buyer's eMBG clock. Of course eBay is going to grant that same protection to buyers and consider a held for pickup scan to be delivered and start the refund clock.

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@wastingtime101 wrote:

Thanks kyle@ebay . Can you clarify something, please?

 

On the Time Away exclusions list stating when handling time / EDD is not updated is this line item:

"Items with local pickup or in-store pickup as the shipping option"

 

I always overlooked that because I assumed it applied to listings that offered pickup as the only option because it says as "the" shipping option not as "a" shipping option.

 

I was looking at the page today and wondered - is that a correct assessment or is it incorrect?

 

For example:

 

- Store is on Time Away, with seller allowing sales.

- Listing offers a choice of shipping USPS or local pickup.

- Buyer chooses USPS shipping.

- Will handling time on that transaction be extended for Time Away, or does the fact local pickup was offered (offered, but not chosen) mean handling time is not extended?


Hey @wastingtime101 that's a great question.  In this scenario you've outlined, the handling time WOULD be extended like any other item being shipped because shipping was the chosen delivery method.  

Kyle,
eBay
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