This is absurd! How is a Bluegrass record 'HATEFUL & DISCRIMINATORY' ???

[arisdisc]

I've been selling vinyl records in here for 20 years. I'm not going to comment on the person who felt it was warranted to 'report' my listing, but more so on the EBAY EMPLOYEE who looked at it and felt that this item should be removed.
Can't they use common sense ?? It's a RECORD!

The title of the listing : "COUNTRY GENTLEMEN - 'Johnny Reb/Buffalo Girls' 1968 Unplayed Country 45 on Rebel"

Rebel is a world-renowned music company that has specialized in bluegrass music for over 70 years. 

I guess it's no surprise that the link on the 'message from Ebay' about this regarding "questions? contact us" takes me to a page about hazardous materials not allowed through the mail...and absolutely nothing else.

Oh, and where's my 15 cent credit for this auction listing since it's removal was baseless and unwarranted?

[bosmingfarg]

I wonder if using non stick tape to mask the flags would help. I had a set of Hitler propaganda post cards my uncle brought back from the war. I hid all swastikas, and sold the bunch for a good profit to a historian.

[*madison]

I also have to think that adding the 'Confederate Flag' to the list of banned items was done in the last year, or maybe even in the last few months. Maybe when changes like that are made, sellers should be informed.

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I think the flag was banned in 2015 after the Charleston church shooting.

[watchingbands]

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@poppyswag wrote:

Saying something is American History is not a reason to celebrate it. The Civil War was an illegal war, and we all know what it was about at the core. Spare me the War of Northern Aggression  hogwash.

Here in New Orleans, we want the statues, aka Confederate Participation Trophies - DOWN. Most of them were put up in the early 1900s, years after the war, when there was a huge push for separate but equal, aka Jim Crow, one of the most shameful periods of "American History". We don't want any of our children thinking that is what should be celebrated now.

Also, living in New York and liking country music has nothing to do with what ebay is doing. That logic is all over the place, just like so much of this thread.

I agree with Joe, it's stupid to ban a vintage record with the Rebel label but after reading this thread I can see why they do it.

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oh come on now. MOST people don't want statutes down.  WHo is the we you're talking about?  Certaintly not the majority. All of these things that have been happening lately, is thanks to the very vocal minority.

You can see why they ban it? Can you see why they aren't banning communism or Japanese stuff or Che stuff or any of the other similiar stuff? But you can see why they would ban something like the confederate flag?

Also, " illegal war". That's funny. 

And you aren't the celebration police. If people want to celebrate it, it's not on you to tell them it's not a reason to celebrate.

[watchingbands]

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@bosmingfarg wrote:
I wonder if using non stick tape to mask the flags would help. I had a set of Hitler propaganda post cards my uncle brought back from the war. I hid all swastikas, and sold the bunch for a good profit to a historian.

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Just means no one noticed. Not that it was allowed.

[poppyswag]

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@watchingbands wrote:

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@poppyswag wrote:

Saying something is American History is not a reason to celebrate it. The Civil War was an illegal war, and we all know what it was about at the core. Spare me the War of Northern Aggression  hogwash.

Here in New Orleans, we want the statues, aka Confederate Participation Trophies - DOWN. Most of them were put up in the early 1900s, years after the war, when there was a huge push for separate but equal, aka Jim Crow, one of the most shameful periods of "American History". We don't want any of our children thinking that is what should be celebrated now.

Also, living in New York and liking country music has nothing to do with what ebay is doing. That logic is all over the place, just like so much of this thread.

I agree with Joe, it's stupid to ban a vintage record with the Rebel label but after reading this thread I can see why they do it.

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oh come on now. MOST people don't want statutes down.  WHo is the we you're talking about?  Certaintly not the majority. All of these things that have been happening lately, is thanks to the very vocal minority.

Also, " illegal war". That's funny. 

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Yes. the Civil War was illegal - it was treason, look it up. Since we are discussing "history". 

I can tell you don't live in a historic city with a population of 64% African Americans, such as New Orleans, and MANY southern cities. Most people DO want the statues down, except a certain kind of white person who lives in predominately white communities and considers only that community in their world view.

[watchingbands]

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@poppyswag wrote:

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@watchingbands wrote:

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@poppyswag wrote:

Saying something is American History is not a reason to celebrate it. The Civil War was an illegal war, and we all know what it was about at the core. Spare me the War of Northern Aggression  hogwash.

Here in New Orleans, we want the statues, aka Confederate Participation Trophies - DOWN. Most of them were put up in the early 1900s, years after the war, when there was a huge push for separate but equal, aka Jim Crow, one of the most shameful periods of "American History". We don't want any of our children thinking that is what should be celebrated now.

Also, living in New York and liking country music has nothing to do with what ebay is doing. That logic is all over the place, just like so much of this thread.

I agree with Joe, it's stupid to ban a vintage record with the Rebel label but after reading this thread I can see why they do it.

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oh come on now. MOST people don't want statutes down.  WHo is the we you're talking about?  Certaintly not the majority. All of these things that have been happening lately, is thanks to the very vocal minority.

Also, " illegal war". That's funny. 

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Yes. the Civil War was illegal - it was treason, look it up. Since we are discussing "history". 

I can tell you don't live in a historic city with a population of 64% African Americans, such as New Orleans, and MANY southern cities. Most people DO want the statues down, except a certain kind of white person who lives in predominately white communities and considers only that community in their world view.

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What exactly do you think created America? Ever heard of the little thing called the revolutionary war?  TREASON. Certaintly wasn't an illegal war. War is war. 

And please don't race bait. Maybe the African Americans want the statutes down, but I'm pretty sure there are black Americans living there too, that aren't African Americans, that don't want the statutes down. No, MOST people do NOT want the statutes down, no matter how loudly you proclaim it. Most people DO NOT CARE. They've been around for a long time, and NO ONE CARED. Until a vocal minotiry decided that they care, and they want everyone else to care. People only care, because people like you, make a big deal about it.  Most don't care, but when a small minotiry decides to yell as loudly as possibly, the media thinks it actually matters. It doesn't. Not even remotely. Imagine if people decided concentration camps need to be torn down. The outcry that would come from that.

You don't get to decide what part of history gets to be erased. To try to claim it's only the racist white people that don't want them down, is disgusting and race baiting.

[southern*sweet*tea]

**general reply**

The more you try to hide things and make them forbidden somehow, the more appealing they become to outliers.

History is history, be it good, bad, ugly or anything inbetween. It ALL needs to be shown in either it's glory or it's ugliness. That's the only way to keep ugly history from repeating itself.

If someone finds something from history to be offensive, do all you can to make sure it never happens again, and at the same time tell everyone what happened, so THEY can make sure it never happens again.

[poppyswag]

Celebrate all you want, on your own time and your own dime. My tax dollars don't need to be used to maintain statues that were erected to support the shameful Jim Crow era. Wrong side of history. Not race baiting, just plain talk.  YES, we care about that down here, why shouldn't we?

[poppyswag]

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@southern*sweet*tea wrote:

**general reply**

The more you try to hide things and make them forbidden somehow, the more appealing they become to outliers.

History is history, be it good, bad, ugly or anything inbetween. It ALL needs to be shown in either it's glory or it's ugliness. That's the only way to keep ugly history from repeating itself.

If someone finds something from history to be offensive, do all you can to make sure it never happens again, and at the same time tell everyone what happened, so THEY can make sure it never happens again.

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Showing history and leaving up racist statues the majority of my city wanted removed (voted on by city council) are 2 different things.

Stupid as it is to ban a vintage record label, ebay does NOT want to appeal to "outliers". Let them find their racist stuff elsewhere than on a worldwide platform. Plenty of other places.

[emerald40]

Has anyone looked at the new banned list.

I just did for another thread, and I do not see hate items even listed anymore.

Looked twice, might have overlooked it, but just do not see it listed.

[emerald40]

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@mr_lincoln wrote:

@dilo-8873

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@dilo-8873 wrote:

Yes hillbilly, you are correct the rules are the rules. Aside from that I would like to share with you that, as mentioned before, I’m a New Yorker and many New Yorkers are driving around with confederate flags on their cars in protest I guess of the disregard of our nation’s history! Nothing of course to do with ebays rules, just thought I’d share that with you.

dilo

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Good post and good point ... we can't just "erase" our country's history ... we can certainly learn from it but at the end of the day the eBay Sandbox is ruled by eBay so their rules apply.

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No one is saying to erase it.  But to make a profit off it is another story.

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[emerald40]

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@watchingbands wrote:

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@hillbillymedia wrote:

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@dilo-8873 wrote:

Yes hillbilly, you are correct the rules are the rules. Aside from that I would like to share with you that, as mentioned before, I’m a New Yorker and many New Yorkers are driving around with confederate flags on their cars in protest I guess of the disregard of our nation’s history! Nothing of course to do with ebays rules, just thought I’d share that with you.

dilo

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I was born and raised in upstate New York. I left there to live here in TN about 25 years ago. Many families here, black and white, have history of lost family members in the civil war. I`ve met a lot of very good people here. Those boys and men, black and white, fought side by side and died side by side. Many people fly the confederate flag here to honor those that died in that war, some do it in protest and yes, unfortunatly, some do it to be hateful. Ignorance breeds hate. Banning these things also breeds hate and continues to fuel a fire.

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It's amazing that people are more concerned with something that happened many generations ago, and ignore things that are associated with things that happened to people still alive TODAY.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1311.R1.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xcheg.TRS0&...

30,000 listings with the face of a mass murderer.  Is that not hateful? Is that really not MORE hateful than the picture of a flag from 150 years ago?  Imagine walking down the street, and seeing some kid proudly rocking the face of the guy that executed your wife.

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Why do they have to be mutually exclusive.  Both are hateful.

[hillbillymedia]

@emerald40  Ted posted it above. Post 16 I believe.

[emerald40]

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/prohibited-restricted-items/prohibited-restricted-items?id=4207

This is the list that came up when I googled.

What category is it listed under?

[watchingbands]

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@poppyswag wrote:

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@southern*sweet*tea wrote:

**general reply**

The more you try to hide things and make them forbidden somehow, the more appealing they become to outliers.

History is history, be it good, bad, ugly or anything inbetween. It ALL needs to be shown in either it's glory or it's ugliness. That's the only way to keep ugly history from repeating itself.

If someone finds something from history to be offensive, do all you can to make sure it never happens again, and at the same time tell everyone what happened, so THEY can make sure it never happens again.

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Showing history and leaving up racist statues the majority of my city wanted removed (voted on by city council) are 2 different things.

Stupid as it is to ban a vintage record label, ebay does NOT want to appeal to "outliers". Let them find their racist stuff elsewhere than on a worldwide platform. Plenty of other places.

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a city council vote doesn't magically equate to majority of the city wanting something. Civics 101 .

And again, ebay appeals to PLENTY of outliers. Antifa stuff. Communist stuff. Che stuff. I can go on, but I know you don't care. Enough people, the same type that want statues down, made their voice heard loud enough, for ebay to say no to KKK stuff or Nazi stuff, while there are things that are just as bad if not worse, but doesn't have the same social justice anger against them.