The future of eBay and Cassini algorithms

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05-31-2024 02:38 PM
I am old school, I believe in the one price system. I find that having the best price and offering that price to every buyer is the honorable and honest way to sell. No one deserves a better price than anyone else as for my vision that would be favoritism. There is already enough prejudice where one group gets a better deal and already enough dishonesty in business practices. There is no need for selling one person an item for one price then selling another person the same item for a different price. I already commented on what has become “the culture” of eBay. eBay is moving towards a tire kicking flea market. Everyone thinks that anything listed on eBay has a “make offer status”. If an item does not have “make an offer” I have progressively had now 500 times eBay messages making me offers than I had when I started 23 1/2 years ago as a seller. I rarely if ever got offers on items until relatively recently. So after much research I am beginning to understand why.
Cassini algorithms one must understand how search engines work which is another discussion.
Basically Cassini takes the most searched after words and creates an algorithm. Or the most specific word or combination of words. It would take a great deal of time to explain but by using the best words you are likely to get the most hits or views of an item. There are many deeply hidden items on eBay as most have no idea how
Cassini works. Read about Cassini algorithms and you may be enlightened but what this has turned into is a real mess which I will try and guide you through but please be patient with me because like playing chess it may take many moves to screw things up and believe me eBay is taking many moves and it is screwing things up.
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‘eBay uses Cassini algorithms and now uses search words to allow sellers to send offers to searchers who do not search the sellers listings but the listings have the same algorithm. In other words If I am looking at a list of the highest price Superman comics. eBay assumes I am a buyer for high end Superman comics and adds that information they get from Cassini algorithms to items that match my search. eBay then provides my information to sellers that have items which they can now send me offers on . This is crazy when you might get 15 offers for Superman comics that you as a seller have zero interest in. As a buyer I would be sent offers that I have no idea where they even come from. Searching should be personal, I do not need my search habits given to sellers. As a seller I do not want to annoy buyers or sellers with offers. I do not need tons of offers for things I have no interest in. I am up 400% on buyers asking to cancel a sale because they are being offered similar items that had the Cassini algorithm they used to buy an item. This is since Covid. I get many asks to cancel a sale which I rarely ever received in the past. eBay has changed the “culture” of buying to a literal tire kicking flea market. I use this as it is the truth of where eBay is going. There is no longer privacy in doing a search your info is given to any seller that might benefit from giving you an offer. eBay thinks this promotes business and helps promote sales. eBay is only interested in commission and privacy has gone out the window along with the idea that everyone should get the same price. I find it an invasion of privacy that my search habits are given to those who do not know me, and I find it abusive that Cassini algorithms are used to provide other sellers the ability to make offers on anything eBay thinks I might be interested in.
Does eBay tell us the truth. we are told that eBay does not provide others with personal information.
My question is are my search habits personal information? Do I have a right to go after eBay for providing others with my search habits?
The end of the chess game does not go well for honest sellers.
If you start to look at the end of Cassini algorithms you will begin to see exactly what is in the future. Anyone who can produce a product can copy someone else’s product then use the algorithm that sells that product.
our world is riddled with fakes and copies and it is getting worse by the minute.
websites like Alibaba have more copies than authentic items for sale and crazy reduced prices.
these items are all over eBay and selling is becoming hit and miss. The real problem is buyers are shopping places like eBay for the lowest price but they are not aware that eBay has done little to protect consumers from being gouged, cheated and scammed. In fact I’ve been sent ridiculous low offers on high end microphones that I know are impossible. I look at the reputable music stores who provide warranties and protection then look at what else is listed and find fake after fake with no warranties and no returns. I’ ve even bought one item thinking it was too good to be true and guess what, it was too good to be true a top rated seller but a fake microphone copy sent from China. I am not blaming China here but that is where it posted from. Likely bought on one of the many websites that sell copies and fakes. Then my name and address sent to whatever site had the cheaper listing.
Search engines can only search words. This is the big issue I have with Cassini it was never made to protect anyone and it is structured to find an algorithm. Algorithms are not relevant as only words are searched.
just like using Google lens to find a match for a Coach pocketbook my wife has a genuine Coach pocketbook she did a Google lens search and found a new one for $46 which just is not possible knowing it cost $300 !
so much for algorithms and the end play of what is going to be the future of eBay. Yes a tire-kicking flea market is in our future and after 23 1/2 years I fully intend to find a world that does not need word searches to define objects.
Algorithms do not guarantee a product and you will have a hell of a time returning a fake on eBay as you need to provide proof. Proof is costly one must send the items to the real manufacturer and get a response stating it is a fake. eBay does not just take your word for it. not as described means “not as described” eBay has gotten tighter about returns as they want Their “commission” and they make you provide evidence which is timely and can be expensive. I have jumped thru that hoop and leaned it can be a costly and time consuming one.
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05-31-2024 03:05 PM
Lot of misinformation in that post.
Since when does ebay require proof before returning a fake item? If a buyer says an item is fake, the item is then fake. That's all the proof ebay needs.
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05-31-2024 03:23 PM - edited 05-31-2024 03:30 PM
Does eBay tell us the truth. we are told that eBay does not provide others with personal information.
My question is are my search habits personal information? Do I have a right to go after eBay for providing others with my search habits?
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Your search habits are not personal information.
your search habits are being used to create a profile of your interests and preferences, you can use a VPN to avoid this.
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06-05-2024 08:01 PM
A VPN only provides protection for the place being searched from. eBay searches are attached to user names not places.
Those user names are provided to sellers based on their searches not their location. . I am quite aware of VPNs I cut the cable long ago and as many shows are blocked as to location, a VPN makes knowing location impossible.
it is unfortunate that local programming is often only available to those who are not local especially in the Sports industry. Local sports used to be available on network television. Nowadays local broadcasts are blocked from users who have the option to watch only by paying a high price, a price most can not afford. So many resort to VPNs to block their location in order to watch local sporting events. There are workarounds for almost anything. I suppose everyone must learn to put up with corporate greed and find their own workarounds. As for me I am moving in the other direction. I think the internet is at times an abusive experience so my goal is to not only be cable free but to eventually be internet free. Maybe some think it is radical but the more I think about it the safer the world would be without the Internet.
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06-05-2024 08:04 PM
Well I guess you will find out once a top rated seller swears something is authentic when it isn’t eBay has asked me for proof and I had to send a microphone to Shure to verify it was fake. Yes I got a refund but it was costly and if I could not get proof I was not getting a refund.
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06-05-2024 09:05 PM
I fully intend to find a world that does not need word searches to define objects.
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“The illegal we do immediately, the unconstitutional takes a little longer.” - Henry Kissinger
"Wherever law ends, tyranny begins" -John Locke
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06-05-2024 10:08 PM
@Anonymous wrote:Well I guess you will find out once a top rated seller swears something is authentic when it isn’t eBay has asked me for proof and I had to send a microphone to Shure to verify it was fake. Yes I got a refund but it was costly and if I could not get proof I was not getting a refund.
I am a TRS. If I sell an item (real or fake) and the buyer files an Item Not As Described return, claiming it is fake ..... I HAVE TO provide them with a free shipping label (same as a non-TRS seller), and when the tracking shows the item delivered back to me, I have 48 hours to issue a refund to the buyer (same as a non-TRS seller).
There is not even a mechanism for eBay to make a buyer "prove" an item is inauthentic before you can return it to the seller. No human at eBay evaluates INAD returns. The complaint isn't read by anyone, not even AI. The software just automates the whole process regardless of what the buyer's claim is. They could literally just write "This thing sucks" or "This thing is blue, not red like the listing said" (even if it's as red as a fire engine). Do you think a buyer has to prove that an item smells "bad"?
No. And there's nothing the seller can do to resist, whether they're a newbie or a 20-year seller, below standard or TRS. -I once had a genuine gold and diamond ring returned that the buyer CLAIMED was fake according to her jeweler. Did she have to provide proof? Pfffff. No, she was simply lying. Happens all the time, if you read these forum posts.
Maybe you were talking about something that happened many years ago on eBay, because returns were harder way back when. If you're saying this microphone thing happened recently .... how about some proof of that?
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06-05-2024 10:13 PM
"There is no longer privacy in doing a search your info is given to any seller that might benefit from giving you an offer. "
Just what exactly are you picturing here? I've never received anybody's search history. Have you? How did it come to you, in an email? What does it look like? (a screenshot would be great).
Anybody else here received it?
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06-05-2024 10:19 PM
"No one deserves a better price than anyone else as for my vision that would be favoritism. There is already enough prejudice where one group gets a better deal and already enough dishonesty in business practices. There is no need for selling one person an item for one price then selling another person the same item for a different price."
What you are referring to as Favoritism in a business sense is not unethical. It is smart marketing. (What do you consider rewards to be?) In retailing, preferred customers often receive perks like discounts, bonus buck programs, coupons, early-bird sales, free shipping, etc. The list is long. None of this is dishonest.
"There is no longer privacy in doing a search your info is given to any seller that might benefit from giving you an offer. eBay thinks this promotes business and helps promote sales."
It is too late now. This is the nature of doing business online-- the genie is out of the bottle for good. And it is not just eBay. It is over the entire internet. To avoid some loss of personal privacy, one may patronize brick and mortar businesses and stay off-line. However, wherever you shop, there will be a record of your preferences, and savvy marketers will make use of that knowledge. As for keeping an online business, there are a few methods for enhanced privacy, but as an e-commerce seller, there must be some transparency in order to conduct a successful enterprise. Total privacy is gone for good.
And having knowledge of one's customers does create, and enhance, salesmanship and sales.
"eBay is only interested in commission and privacy has gone out the window along with the idea that everyone should get the same price."
Pardon me for contradicting you--the above statement is not accurate. Over time, eBay has changed things in order to protect buyer privacy, and in doing so, limited access to information that sellers found helpful. (As a regular poster in these forums, it also made it harder to help folks, quite frankly). Usernames are hidden from other members' view. If you notice, all customer IDs are withheld from casual observation in things like feedback, replaced with scrambled letters. Only the seller of record has full disclosure on individual sales. The same is done with bidders' identities. They are concealed in auctions as well, and only the seller running the auction will have knowledge of who they are. This did not use to be the case. Buyer privacy is considered important by eBay.
The concept "one price for all" may be helpful in financial economic theory, but as resellers on eBay, with the huge variation of global markets, it is not a realistic practice.
"...eBay has done little to protect consumers from being gouged, cheated and scammed."
Again, this is not an accurate statement. Much was done during the pandemic to eradicate gouging from the platform. Gouging has a specific definition. It is the overpricing of commodity goods during times of national emergency. If you are instead, simply lamenting high prices on items you want to buy, you are free to pass on a seller with prices above your desired level. Any seller is free to set any price he so chooses in a free market society. To do differently could be argued as price-fixing, which is as illegal as price gouging. As for cheating and scamming, eBay is complying with the new INFORM Consumers Act, recently enacted into law. Its purpose is to limit criminal conduct on online venues, especially for counterfeit selling, the fencing of stolen goods, and money laundering. You have only to spend a little time here to discover the extent of eBay's efforts to erase the nefarious element from the site.
"Search engines can only search words."
No, its scope is wider. Search engines can also search visual content as well, like photographs. See link below:
"A search engine is a software system that is designed to carry out web searches (Internet searches), which means to search the World Wide Web in a systematic way for particular information specified in a textual web search query. Therefore, search engines are used to search documents, videos and images."
"...my wife has a genuine Coach pocketbook she did a Google lens search and found a new one for $46 which just is not possible knowing it cost $300 ! "
I have sold fashion on eBay for the last 15 years, and depending on how I acquire the item (have a number of Coach products I inherited), I may well sell a $300 item for under $50. That is not illegal or unethical. It depends on many factors, including desirability and time allotted to sell it in. My customers are from all over the world and have faith in my listings. eBay is not all doom and gloom.
And I wouldn't put down flea market buyers and sellers. Some of my favorite resell offerings came from Portobello Road, Saint Ouen, or the Grand Bazaar. There is huge variety and wonderful finds. I can think of worse things to call eBay.
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06-05-2024 10:27 PM
Well I guess you will find out once a top rated seller swears something is authentic when it isn’t eBay has asked me for proof and I had to send a microphone to Shure to verify it was fake. Yes I got a refund but it was costly and if I could not get proof I was not getting a refund.
Unusual I have never seen eBay stand behind a seller in a NAD claim and CC companies even less so when the buyer files a chargeback. You should have just opened a chargeback rather than going through the trouble and expense of getting it verified as being fake.
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06-05-2024 10:32 PM
Whereabouts do you live? If you're ever down this way you really should check out the Mobile Flea Market, biggest in the Southeast, and open every weekend YEAR-ROUND.
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06-05-2024 10:52 PM
And I wouldn't put down flea market buyers and sellers.
Not only flea market buyers but tire-kicking flea market buyers. 😒 Huh.
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06-06-2024 01:47 AM
@gurlcat Now that looks promising! Awesome, thank you for sharing—will check it out.
Back in Texas now. But in the UK for nearly a year while spouse was on assignment. Wasn't on a work visa myself, so used the time to source for eBay.
Would take the 2-hour ride from London to Paris via rail, thru the Chunnel, just to hit up the flea markets. Later, (again, husband’s job) was in Istanbul, where enjoyed haunting the Grand Bazaar.
Lucky having such opportunities. What an education it all was.
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06-06-2024 04:26 AM
Isn't it crazy how a trip from London to Paris is just ...... like San Francisco to Los Angeles?
I heard this once and I love it: In Europe a hundred miles is a long distance. In America a hundred years is a long time.
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06-06-2024 05:36 AM
There is no need for selling one person an item for one price then selling another person the same item for a different price
I don't understand that ..........if you are selling one offs......the cost of the item for the seller can differ with each of his purchases. Even with new items.......there can be overproduction and therefore price cuts, new models, etc.
