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Square Capital vs. PayPal Working Capital

Recently eBay sent me a solicitation for a loan through Square Capital.    I suspect that eBay has found a new partner to steer sellers' interest payments away from PayPal.

 

I thought it odd that the prominently displayed illustration shows a 6-month loan of $55,000 for a total borrowing cost of $5,500.  I wondered if the borrowing cost exceeded 10% of the principal on a much smaller loan, so I started to do some comparison shopping.

 

I have had good experiences with PayPal Working Capital when I've needed to make a large inventory purchase.  PayPal's total borrowing costs have seemed reasonable to me.  Their website shows details of the loan's repayment progress  When I checked with them a couple of weeks ago, total borrowing costs were never above 10% for me unless I paid back the loan at the slowest possible rate.  The loans I am considering would cost me 6% to 8% with estimated payoff times of about six months.

 

When I went to the Square Capital website, I  could not get a quote without giving them my online banking user account and password.  They promised that it would be safe to give it to them, but I hit the back button immediately, and decided to ask other sellers' opinion here.   I recall eBay partnering with a couple of firms with a "slightly less than wonderful"  reputation among sellers.  My questions are:

 

1) Which company has a lower cost of borrowing:  Square Capital or PayPal Working Capital?

2) Which company is more trustworthy and why?

 

 

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Well, I've been using Paypal Working Capital for years now. I am on my 5th PayPal loan. I like that PayPal automatically deducts a percentage rate you pick at the time you opening your loan from each item you sell. Makes it simple and easy to make payments. The percentage rate is flat. There is no term. There is no credit check.

 

These are the things I love about it. It is not without its flaws. For example, if you sell something and a buyer wants to cancel and order or there is a return, you're still out that percentage they took to pay off your loan. eBay once took money from me they weren't suppose to and when they refunded it (only $500) they took 15% of that too. That time I called them and they told me there was nothing they could do about it. I've also had someone accidentally forget to send me money Friends and Family. It was $1,000 in money they owed me for a personal loan I had given to them. Not only did PayPal take their service charge fee, but they took the 15% for the loan too! Boy did that suck.

 

All I know about the Square loans is: 1. That they're directly partnered with eBay, which I already don't like because eBay and my money have never mixed well. It's really a necessary evil at this point, 2. They require you to enter in bank account and other info, which seems to suggest they take a certain amount each month instead of a percentage of sales like PayPal (which I don't like, but makes sense as no one on here is getting paid via Square), 3. Jack Dorsey is with Square and I am not a fan of him.

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Well, I've been using Paypal Working Capital for years now. I am on my 5th PayPal loan. I like that PayPal automatically deducts a percentage rate you pick at the time you opening your loan from each item you sell. Makes it simple and easy to make payments. The percentage rate is flat. There is no term. There is no credit check.

 

These are the things I love about it. It is not without its flaws. For example, if you sell something and a buyer wants to cancel and order or there is a return, you're still out that percentage they took to pay off your loan. eBay once took money from me they weren't suppose to and when they refunded it (only $500) they took 15% of that too. That time I called them and they told me there was nothing they could do about it. I've also had someone accidentally forget to send me money Friends and Family. It was $1,000 in money they owed me for a personal loan I had given to them. Not only did PayPal take their service charge fee, but they took the 15% for the loan too! Boy did that suck.

 

All I know about the Square loans is: 1. That they're directly partnered with eBay, which I already don't like because eBay and my money have never mixed well. It's really a necessary evil at this point, 2. They require you to enter in bank account and other info, which seems to suggest they take a certain amount each month instead of a percentage of sales like PayPal (which I don't like, but makes sense as no one on here is getting paid via Square), 3. Jack Dorsey is with Square and I am not a fan of him.

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PayPal Working Capital is lower cost. What's more there is no time limit on repayments which come out of daily sales. Perfect! I never heard of Square Capital, $5,500 seems like a huge fee. The negative of Square would be having to repay it out of your bank account. That I don't like. I'd rather PayPal Working Capital any day of the week, it will be a big loss not to have that under MP. Because your payments for sales would no longer be in PayPal.

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For me the biggest disappointment with MP is gonna be losing Paypal Working Capital.

I have used them multiple times and it is great.

 

Square trade called me and recently offered a 5000 loan and the guy wanted to see 3 months bank statements and you must pay back in 6 months any amount, I was like forget it!

 

I am sure MP will be a horror in general, but losing Working Cap really stinks.

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BTW, I have never heard of anyone asking for your banking user account and password, are you sure it was legit?

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@duncanvr wrote:

PayPal Working Capital is lower cost. What's more there is no time limit on repayments which come out of daily sales. Perfect! I never heard of Square Capital, $5,500 seems like a huge fee. The negative of Square would be having to repay it out of your bank account. That I don't like. I'd rather PayPal Working Capital any day of the week, it will be a big loss not to have that under MP. Because your payments for sales would no longer be in PayPal.


I too have used several PP Working Capital loans. I would like to note, while there is no time table to repay, in the terms they want at least 10% of the loan paid every 90 days, so it would have to be paid off in around 900 days, or 30 months.

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Isn't the PayPal loan interest rate in the 20-30% range?

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Mine was 6%, less than I could get from any bank or credit card.

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@mongoose26 wrote:

Mine was 6%, less than I could get from any bank or credit card.


An annual interest rate of 6%?

 

Are you saying that you can borrow $1,000 from PayPal for a year, for a flat fee of $60?

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Really?

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The amount you quoted for the Square loan was 20% per year, which to my mind is outrageously high.  I've never borrowed from Paypal so I don't know their rates.

 

Buy a smaller amount of inventory and/or get the supplier to extend you terms.  I just got $150,000 worth of inventory for which I don't have to pay until December.  And NO interest.  If I couldn't have gotten those terms I would not have bought so much. 

 

If you must borrow, at least check out your local bank, or a home equity loan.   

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Paypal Working Capital is the Best Route to Go. No Hype No Wanting Personal Banking info, I Use them Everytime I Need a Boost. I Would NEVER use a Loan Where they Got Free Access to My Banking Info. NEVER. Sounds Like the Old Kabbage Loans, They Got your Info a Debited Your Bank Account whenever they wanted. NO WAY. Paypal is at Least honest in What they Charge with No Hidden Fees, And they Take it Directly from your Sales Not your bank Account.
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Yep. It's the same reason I hate that FedEx labels aren't billed immediately. Bill me now, dang it!
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In the e-mail I got from eBay about the Square loans they told me that I would have to link my bank account.
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It's not annual, it's one time. Your interest rate may not be 6%, though. But it won't be 20 - 30%. My last one was also 6%, so I think that is the rate, but I'm not 100% sure.

There are some basic eligibility requirements too:

Have a PayPal Business or Premier account for 3 months or more
Process between $20,000 and $20 million in annual PayPal sales if you have a Premier PayPal account or between $15,000 and $20 million in annual PayPal sales if you have a Business PayPal account
Pay off any existing PayPal Working Capital loan

So, yes, you could borrow $1,000 from PayPal and only pay $60. And there is no term, so it could last however long you need to repay it. There only requirement is you pay back a required percentage amount per quarter. It's easy to meet (I've never come close to not meeting it so I've never paid attention).

But the percentage pay back is this: 5% minimum per quarter for loans estimated to take 12 months or more to be repaid. A 10% minimum applies to loans estimated to be repaid within 12 months. Like I said, if you had the sales to qualify for the loan in the first place, it should be easy to do.

But I've taken out a $10,000 loan before. Basically, with no credit check or anything, you go to the PayPal Working Capital website and get a quote. They will give several options for amounts you can take out a loan for and the pay back rate (you can also customize this if you like and it will give you the pay back rate based on what you ask to be loaned).

They determine these numbers by your overall sales and also history seems to have something to do with it. If you've done a PayPal loan before and paid it off, they seem to be willing to offer you better deals and more money.

I'm on my 5th working capital loan. The last one they offered me up to $65,000 at a 30% I think. I didn't take that much, obviously, but I don't think my sales quite justify that.

Here's an example of what the quotes they may give you could look like

$1,000 at 10%
$2,000 at 15%
$3,000 at 20%
$4,000 at 25%
$5,000 at 30%

Your numbers could look totally different, but this is an example. Now, those percentages are NOT your interest rate. Your interest rate would be like the 6% we discussed earlier. Those percentages are your PAYBACK rate.

For example: if you got a $1,000 loan at 6% interest you would owe $1,060. If you picked a 10% pay back rate PayPal would take 10% off the top from every sale you make and put it towards paying off the loan until it is paid off. This is done immediately and automatically and usually starts about 3 days after you receive your funds after accepting the loan.

If you do take the loan out, by the way, they will send you the money INSTANTLY. Like within a minute. It's crazy how fast the process really is...

I was at an auction when I took out that $10,000 loan. I had a $2,000 budget but realized I had the chance to hit a home run so right then and there I took out that loan and BOOM $10,000 was in my account.

Another thing is that if you need big cash fast and still have a loan and you can afford to pay it off, you can and take out another one right after. I've had situations where I needed funds for a big inventory purchase and had like...$700 left on my loan, so I just paid that off and took out a fresh loan. It does take like 2 - 3 days for the loan to officially be marked as paid off after that last payment, however.

Oh and if you have a friend who sales on eBay and uses it that can be awesome if they have the ability to take out a fresh loan or vice versa. My friend and I both were going to this auction last year and I needed about 5k but had about $1,700 left on my last loan. He had just paid is off and was going to take out a fresh one. So I asked him to take out 7k instead of 5k and then to send me $1,700 so I could pay off my loan. A few days later, after my loan officially was marked paid, I took out a fresh loan and sent him the money he paid me back from that.
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