01-04-2022 09:08 AM
I was selling several pieces of jewelry from my own personal collection before Christmas All 10k or 14k I have bought a lot of jewelry myself and know that it CAN appear smaller in person. Knowing this I provided 6 forms of measurement so the buyer can determine scale. Two angles of it an a standard ruler to show mm and inches, on the ring mandrel to insure size, on a ring stand next to a dime and a picture of it on my ring finger. Also included gram weight and a picture of the 14k gold stamp. I used the no returns option. One buyer messaged me saying she didn’t like to because it looked much smaller in person. I explained that I didn’t accept returns but she submitted a return request anyway, saying “just didn’t like”. I declined
she said she was going to open a case which she didn’t but she did call Ebay as did I. They said the listing was perfect and I didnt need to give her a refund. She then messaged me that she paid by cc and would get back to me when she heard from eBay. I again called ebay who continue to back me and said she could send it back if she wanted to but I still didn’t need to refund. Also said it didn’t matter how she paid which I’m not sure of since Im reading about charge backs. Since I was paid through eBay doesn’t money need to go through them? A week later she said she was sending it back. I called ebay a 3rd time and was told the same thing. It was hers and she could do whatever she wanted to with it. I had done nothing wrong and I could send it back if I wanted to. Yesterday it arrived. Problem is it was on an auction and before Christmas when there was a buying frenzy. I probably won’t get a good price for it now. I am on disability after a back injury so this is not a small deal. If it was an inexpensive item I would have refunded no problem and sucked it up but this lady simply doesn’t understand ebay. She claimed she doesn’t know about grams or mm but that is why I gave other measurements to reference. Ebay seems to be backing me 100%. All 3 representatives said the same thing. Should I send it back to her?
01-04-2022 09:17 AM
What kind of claim did the Buyer open? A remorse return or a SNAD?
No returns does not neccessarily mean no refunds. Is the return within the 30 day window?
01-04-2022 09:24 AM
@waytagobarb wrote:Should I send it back to her?
If you do send it back to her will be hers forever but she can still file a chargeback to get a refund. You arguing that you sent it back to her again is probably not going to win a dispute with her card company because she wants a refund and not the ring. Just refund while you still have the ring.
There is no reason to assume that it will not sell again as well as the first time or better. If you are not in a hurry to sell then hold off for a while until people start getting their tax refunds later in the spring.
01-04-2022 09:28 AM
Should I send it back to her?
Heck, no. For what it's worth, I find that if an item sells once, it will again. Refund this buyer user, hope for a buyer. Good luck.
01-04-2022 09:31 AM
"Yesterday it arrived."
Refund em, relist and make sure they are on your blocked bidders list.
Hey you got it back which is better than most who lose item and money payed for it.
And dont believe much for an eBay rep on this matter.
A payment dispute (charge back) is handled different than the normal eBay stuff.
01-04-2022 09:32 AM
Because she can just open a chargeback with her credit card and show them the tracking that shows delivered back to you; you should just refund it and relist. Don't let a Xmas buying frenzy deter you; in fact, most stores had 30,40,50% off on jewelry BEFORE the holiday, and now nothing until Valentines.
01-04-2022 09:38 AM
Don't send the ring BACK.
List the ring for a buy it now price. The same price it sold for.
I wouldn't refund the buyer either. If she files a charge back, THEN refund her. Make her work for her stupidity. Maybe by then, the ring will have sold, and you will be out nothing.
The buyer essentially "threw away" the ring. She was operating OUTSIDE of eBay's rules. At least you got it back. Her return was denied and she is playing silly games. Be the one that wins the game. A CC company will only allow an account holder to file so many chargebacks before they deny the cardholder. Maybe she reached her limit. She needs to learn a lesson.
Unless the buyer files a chargeback, she is not entitled to a refund.
01-04-2022 09:50 AM
It would be unethical to keep both the ring and the funds.
Keep in mind that some eBay customer service reps will just tell you what you want to hear to keep the call short.
01-04-2022 10:01 AM
Many of the Ebay customer service reps are located overseas. Their English skills are limited and they read from scripts. That's why they put you on hold a lot. Refund her money, block them from bidding or buying again and just relist it. That's what I would do if it were my situation. Many people are not familiar with the metric system. It is used more internationally. Good luck to you.
01-04-2022 10:02 AM
Frankly, I think you are very lucky to have got the ring back, and returned to you in the condition it was in when you sold it. Refund her money. Relist the ring.
Why pick over who may have been technically right or technically wrong? Why go through any more hassle with this? Sometimes transactions don't go as we'd like them to go, and that's just the nature of selling on eBay. This one turned out a heck of a lot better, for you, than it might have.
As for the CSRs, do be aware that they are poorly trained and poorly paid, are usually unprepared for anything that isn't on the scripts they're given, and will often tell you anything you want to hear just to get you off the phone so they can take the next call.
If the ring sold once, it will sell again, despite the season.
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01-04-2022 10:08 AM
By being cautious, you did the right thing by using heavy detail in describing the item in your listing.
Reality: If she wants a refund, you will lose this case, regardless of what the 3 representatives told you over the phone. As seen by reading down a few hundred posts here, phone reps have sometimes told sellers anything they wanted to hear just to get them off the phone. They are notoriously unreliable.
A better and more reliable assessment would be to contact eBay for Business on Facebook, using the message feature, if you need further assistance.
Remember that "no returns" does not mean "no refunds" on eBay. The best thing to do in a similar case is to accept the return, refund the buyer, and relist the item. Then add the offending buyer to your BBL so she cannot pull any stunts like this on you in the future. There are many ignorant buyers out there who are super nit-picky and often buy an item on impulse without using their heads, without looking at the photos closely, and often not even reading the item description.
Since the ring is back in your possession, you've dodged a bullet and should breathe a sigh of relief, especially since it is almost a 100% certainty she could have gotten a forced refund on a cc chargeback even months down the road, perhaps even manipulated the system to be allowed to keep the ring as well, if she wanted. Chalk this hassle up to the cost of doing business - most of us eBay sellers have had to swallow hard on similar situations where we can lose on a refund that is totally unwarranted when common sense is used.
Cheers, Duffy
01-04-2022 10:23 AM
I checked your previous sales and thought of the movie The Godfather as soon as I saw that horsehead ring. lol
If the person who returned the ring gets a refund by you now and then initiates a chargeback through a credit card they would be committing fraud.
I wanted to ask if you ever have any scammers rip you off? You have several expensive things listed.
01-04-2022 10:33 AM
@fashunu4eeuh wrote:It would be unethical to keep both the ring and the funds.
Keep in mind that some eBay customer service reps will just tell you what you want to hear to keep the call short.
Actually, while it may not seem to be the most ethical thing to do, if the buyer sent the item back outside of the normal return procedure, especially if the return request was already denied, the buyer has technically abandoned the object. It would be the same as if they threw it in a dumpster and a dumpster diver retrieved it. However, I would probably refund the buyer and block them anyway.
01-04-2022 11:12 AM
I had one person buying an expensive ring on a buy it now. And then send me a message saying that he wanted me to ship the item to a different person in at a different address and into the note. I googled his name and found out that in the eBay community he was mentioned several times. He joins eBay the day before. Has no feedback and try to pull the same thing having the seller sent the item to a different location. I notified eBay and cancel the transaction
01-04-2022 11:47 AM
@waytagobarb wrote:I had one person buying an expensive ring on a buy it now. And then send me a message saying that he wanted me to ship the item to a different person in at a different address and into the note. I googled his name and found out that in the eBay community he was mentioned several times. He joins eBay the day before. Has no feedback and try to pull the same thing having the seller sent the item to a different location. I notified eBay and cancel the transaction
Sometimes scammers will pose as the buyer and request the item be shipped to an alternate address.