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Scam? How to respond if not?

I have a notebook of vintage post cards that I have had listed for a while with lots of interest. I received this message today from someone who says the collection had been stolen from them. I don’t know if this is a scam or not but I really don’t know how to respond to it. This is the message: Good morning. Are you aware that this notebook with these old postcards is just a small portion of the complete notebook of vintage post cards and Easter/holiday cards? I KNOW this, as THIS ITEM WAS STOLEN from my house in Henderson, Nevada, in January/February timeframe. I did file a police report for this and other items stolen from me at that time.

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How is eBay involved in this situation?

 

It's not an eBay issue. 

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If it was me, I would ask for both a copy of the police report AND some irrefutable proof that these cards belonged to this person or this person‘s family.  Maybe some cards were stolen from this person‘s family. That doesn’t mean that these are the same cards. I call it a slim chance that someone stole something from Henderson, Nevada, then transported them to Oklahoma, only to donate them to a shelter.

You should request these things with kindness and dignity for the person that is claiming that these are stolen goods. You can go through the unlikelihood of these being the same cards while still being respectful.

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@dirk12955 wrote:

How is eBay involved in this situation?

 

It's not an eBay issue. 


Sure it is, the stolen items are on their site.  eBay has protocols in place to deal with stolen items, they've even helped in large police stings for theft rings.  This isn't that (if it's even true) but IIRC eBay even has a form to fill out.  I would def call both the PD where they filed the report & eBay if I were the owner so that they could take action to have the listing taken down or whatever they & LE decide to do.   IDK if they'll take any action until LE gets involved, but I would def let them know.  IDK if they take any independent action without LE contact, but what harm is there in letting them know. 

 

However in this case, who knows if they're even telling the truth, which is why its not a good idea to get into a convo about it with the person.  

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Here we go.  I knew I remembered a form, but it looks like the form is only for the state of CA & the text says to contact LE, but there's also a link to the form to fill out.   

 

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/prohibited-restricted-items/stolen-property-policy?id=4334&st=3&p...

 

ETA:  Upon further inspection that form goes to the State of CA Attorney General, so yeah, maybe you don't have to contact eBay.  I still would, I would want to alert them.  IDK if they take the item down while it's being figured out, but I would let them know.  

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@powell-collectibles wrote:

If it was me, I would ask for both a copy of the police report AND some irrefutable proof that these cards belonged to this person or this person‘s family.


Thinking about this... What is a police report going to have in it? 'Binder of antique postcards' or something like that. I assume that there was a lot more stolen if that person had a burglary and that the binder of postcards would barely get a mention. Unless there is way more detail in the police report that nails the listing as definitely showing the same thing then I cannot see that that would really prove anything.

 

I saw the listing before it was taken down and the postcards were all arranged in special pocket pages designed to hold them in a binder. Any serious postcard collector probably buys similar pages to hold their own collection and there are probably hundreds of similar binders around the country. 

 

At best I would say that the complaining party might be genuine (ie. honest) but they would need to come up with something conclusive beyond finding a listing that looked like their own. I would also be careful to verify that the police report was filed before the listing appeared - in order to avoid any suspicion that details of the missing item might have been tailored to match the photos of the listing.

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Reason to ask for the police report is because the accuser states that he has one.  If he doesn't, that is a quick way to get the conversation to stop, and a quick way for the OP to stop worrying about this issue.  

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Jan/Feb timeframe

They don't know the date they were robbed?

Tell them to have the police contact you.

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@powell-collectibles wrote:

Reason to ask for the police report is because the accuser states that he has one.  If he doesn't, that is a quick way to get the conversation to stop, and a quick way for the OP to stop worrying about this issue.  


Right but what I am saying is that even if he is an honest person who really did get robbed and filed a police report I really doubt that there would be anything in it to conclusively prove that the binder shown in the listing is really the one that got stolen. He could also have filed a report intended to match what he saw in the listing back when it first appeared in mid-February.

 

Yes - you can call his bluff and ask to see the police report although making fake claims about that seems like an awful lot of trouble to try to get a postcard collection without simply buying it.

 

@terrlloy-0 : Keep us updated!

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I am currently waiting for the police report or a call from PD.  I am a little confused because I got a message from eBay saying my question was being deleted from the Forum for duplicative and repetitive messages? I am still seeing new responses though. 🤷‍♀️ Will update when I get something. 

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@terrlloy-0 wrote:

I am a little confused because I got a message from eBay saying my question was being deleted from the Forum for duplicative and repetitive messages? I am still seeing new responses though.


Maybe you had started multiple topic threads about the same thing...? You can keep posting replies to this thread so that no one will miss an update that might have been posted elsewhere.

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You had started two threads on this subject, probably without realizing it. I actually reported the other one to the moderators, not to get you in trouble, but so that there would not be two discussions going that might confuse you and others. I don’t think you get any type of consequence or penalty for that, just a notification that your other thread was removed.

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How long should the OP wait for the claimant to do something?  How will this person prove it is their album - do they have images or inventory?  I can't imagine the local NV police will make much effort for a postcard album that probably has little real value if any, located in another state.

The person making the claim should have gone to their local police contact first.  Are they Halloween cards?

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@itsjustasprain wrote:

@powell-collectibles wrote:

Reason to ask for the police report is because the accuser states that he has one.  If he doesn't, that is a quick way to get the conversation to stop, and a quick way for the OP to stop worrying about this issue.  


Right but what I am saying is that even if he is an honest person who really did get robbed and filed a police report I really doubt that there would be anything in it to conclusively prove that the binder shown in the listing is really the one that got stolen. He could also have filed a report intended to match what he saw in the listing back when it first appeared in mid-February.

 

Yes - you can call his bluff and ask to see the police report although making fake claims about that seems like an awful lot of trouble to try to get a postcard collection without simply buying it.

 

@terrlloy-0 : Keep us updated!


I was thinking the exact same thing @itsjustasprain , the police report, if in fact there is one, is not going to have something like postcards each ID's in a line item.  It's going to have 'binder or box of vtg postcards'.  So, I came to the same conclusion, even if you had the report, it's unlikely each item is going to be line itemed. 

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eBay Seller since 1996

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@jonathanbrightlight wrote:

You had started two threads on this subject, probably without realizing it. I actually reported the other one to the moderators, not to get you in trouble, but so that there would not be two discussions going that might confuse you and others. I don’t think you get any type of consequence or penalty for that, just a notification that your other thread was removed.


@terrlloy-0 @jonathanbrightlight  You are correct, there are no consequences.  It happens a bit with new posters, not a big deal at all. 

This one goes to Eleven - Nigel Tufnel

Simply-the-best-for-you Volunteer Community Mentor
eBay Seller since 1996

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Thank you for explaining. This is my first time joining the forum and I appreciate you  getting that fixed for me. 🤗

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