03-28-2019 07:36 AM
While many are angered over the latest changes regarding GTC, and many others are speculating as to why their sales are dead, I suspect there's other issues than GTC that are just as bad, if not far worse. Those issues are related to bad algorithms that ebay put into place with the intent to undercut its sellers and force them to drop their prices, or risk having no sales.
What I'm referring to is ebay's habit of advertising identical products from other sellers right inside your own listings. While I've seen ebay do this in patches since as far back as 2015, as of right now, no matter what listing a buyer clicks of mine, ebay then starts promoting the exact same identical product from other sellers. The end result is a never ending price war.
Just in the last 2 weeks I've seen the prices of the games I sell fall off a cliff as other sellers try to compete for sales of the same items.
ebay has turned its platform into a dollar store.
At this point I'm not looking for alternatives, I already found one, and I'm in the process of transitioning to an alternate platform now.
But myself, like many others, are also stuck with the dilemma that we're locked into a year long contract with ebay for our stores. Even if I leave, ebay is still going to want their $60 a month. Whether to stay or leave entirely is something I'm still debating. But either way, I'm definitely focusing on an alternative platform to operate my core business; albeit, one that's far cheaper with far less costs of doing business, and one that doesn't advertise the same identical products I sell from competitors.
Your thoughts on this?
03-28-2019 12:45 PM
I have bought thousands of items off eBay. Check my feedback.
I can count on one hand the returns that I did, and those were pretty blatant SNADs.
03-28-2019 12:48 PM
I agree with you about the "people that bought this item also bought"...that never ever match anything. I have stated on this Forum many times...if you want to be Home Depot or Lowes or whatever...at least show items that are "go withs" rather than items that never relate. Like if I bought a stockade fence, then promote the nails, the 2x4's, the stain, whatever. Even on the A, it works much like HD where there are accessories promoted rather than other sellers items that are not even close. Their AI ain't catching up with the real world.
03-28-2019 12:57 PM
They do if they find something cheaper.
03-28-2019 12:58 PM
@cs497kcpope wrote:They do if they find something cheaper.
And not everyone does that, either.
03-28-2019 01:23 PM
Yep, its like we're posting listings into thin air! Very insulting it is indeed. I'm calling ebay to demand they refund my store fees this month, and for every month my listings dont promote my own items. You should do the same. Why should we pay for for a service we never got to begin with?
03-28-2019 01:25 PM - edited 03-28-2019 01:26 PM
Same here Jason. I've only made one return on ebay since I opened my account close to a decade ago. Unfortunately, there's some people who just buy and return, rinse and repeat. I'm not sure why people even waste their time doing this, don;'t they have something better to do with their time.
03-28-2019 02:11 PM
@this*old*attic wrote:Or you could click the hot link where it states who I’m answering
That's assuming we all use the quick reply to respond to the actual message we're intending to reply to . . . that's not always the case.
03-28-2019 02:52 PM - edited 03-28-2019 02:53 PM
@gamersbaystore wrote:
As for GTC, the biggest problem this presents is the fact smaller sellers have all their listings drowned out in search results very quickly. They're forced to either purchase a store subscription, or wait forever to sell anything. How ebay thinks this is a good idea I don't know, it definitely is not.
Honestly, it's not just smaller sellers. It's affecting "everyone" and the only ones who are actually making out well by these changes are "poor" sellers. The wealth is being spread.
If you check my history you can see I've posted logs of top sellers (or you could check Terapeak to see the information for yourself). As well, we are the top seller in our category and have been for years.
In our category, all of our competitors have been plummeting 30% per year.
I also have screenshots in my posting history showing the "Top Seller Market Share" from Summer. In Summer 2017 the top seller market share was 40%. One year later in 2018, 27%.
This means TOP sellers have seen their drops averaging around 33%. Which matches up perfectly with our category. Despite the market of our category being UP year to year!
What does this mean? It means top sellers are suffering as well (I've mentioned many times, we lost half our full time staff last year). This year, we're currently making similar cutbacks and dropping from 4 warehouses to 2 warehouses.
And smaller sellers are suffering (as you already know). Who is making out on this?
Poor sellers. China sellers. Less serious sellers. It doesn't matter. Those who have poor performance, and receive the SAME SEARCH PLACEMENT as those of us with 99.9-100% positive feedback. EBay is enticing more and more sellers to come and spreading the wealth.
This is a poor design. It does not encourage sellers to take care of their customers. It does not allow businesses to survive. It has basically destroyed all forms of "healthy competition" which is required for any marketplace. EBay CSR's don't even know what advice to give. The category managers don't even know what advice to give!
It does not help customers. Prices are higher, quality control is lower. It makes it nearly impossible to survive for sellers.
Then you mix in silly ideas like punishing sellers with 4% extra FVF for sellers with high SNAD return rates, while at the same time encouraging free returns? And the SNAD rate is dependent on customer claims, rather than decided cases?!?
This is all in addition to the algorithm issues (that I've also detailed in many posts). But to summarize, it USED to be based on your "selling history" of your listings. If your listing performed well, you got more impressions. This worked amazingly well because if customers are happy and return as repeat customers, this brings your listings up in search.
Nowadays, selling history is only a minor variable, and they are mixed in with dozens of other variables. And the biggest reward in search placement is how much you're willing to pay eBay for sponsorships and promotions, which in turn increases prices and making it WORSE offerings to the customers.
As much as eBay claims they are "customer focused" since last year, the site is not any better for customers. The return policies might give that impression, but considering there's no possible way of quality control of sellers, and search placement is directly built upon how much you're going to raise the price to pay eBay for exposure, it's not a better site for customers.
It's not seller focused either. The only one making any benefit of these changes is eBay. Meanwhile, this is just a bandaid, as higher prices on eBay compared to other marketplaces is going to continue eBay on the path of having a lower market share each year.
03-28-2019 04:56 PM
Yep, these changes ebay put into place are helping no one it seems. I'd say you definitely have room to talk given you have close to 6,500 listings. Its also true that promoted listings increase visibility without any merit. I used to like how our visibility was tied to our performance. That doesn't appear to be the case anymore.
In my case, I only have a little over 400 listings right now. But I get plenty of traffic, so that's not an issue. The part that really bothers is when someone click on my listing and ebay shows them that same identical item from someone else. That price war is very real, and ebay will lose money itself as the prices fall to nothing.
03-28-2019 10:12 PM
@jason_incognito wrote:
@cs497kcpope wrote:You are right about the returns part! I know of no company that promotes returns like eBay does!! What idiot company does that? I have had 4 sales in the last 8 days and one of them is being returned immediately after they received the item! On the same day they received it. Now you tell me that they did not already plan on returning it? Sales are so hard to come by these days with eBay's new algorithms! We do not need that large RETURN button reminding every buyer just as soon as you find a cheaper item (PLEASE RETURN THIS ITEM)!!! Ok I got that off of my chest!
I just got an order from Disney.
Included inside was a return label and the instructions on how to return the item.
I bet dollars to donuts that Disney has negotiated a lower rate on that return label than the norm. Of course, the international conglomerate has the deep pockets to do so.
If one's yearly revenues aren't measured in millions I doubt the bankroll exists to support such a policy.
03-28-2019 10:19 PM
@gamersbaystore wrote:I'll disagree with what you're saying as well. Consider this, a buyer purchases a game, plays it for 3 weeks, then returns it for a full refund. If you can't see how this system would be abused, I don't know what else to say. free returns = a free rental service for buyers, those are the facts, no denying this.
There are definitely people who do this.
They also buy stuff to try it out, then return it.
Or buy stuff to make a Youtube video, then return it.
The list goes on.
03-29-2019 08:04 AM
Yeah I think they use the same software to do the "people that bought this item also bought" that they use on Netflix to suggest additional movies (NO I don't want black and white documentaries about WWI or the British Baking show because I watched The Tudors!) I looked at American Eagle jeans and Ebay offered me American Eagle...DRESSES. Sorry, not really my thing being male and all.
03-29-2019 08:08 AM
@gamersbaystore wrote:Yep, these changes ebay put into place are helping no one it seems. I'd say you definitely have room to talk given you have close to 6,500 listings. Its also true that promoted listings increase visibility without any merit. I used to like how our visibility was tied to our performance. That doesn't appear to be the case anymore.
In my case, I only have a little over 400 listings right now. But I get plenty of traffic, so that's not an issue. The part that really bothers is when someone click on my listing and ebay shows them that same identical item from someone else. That price war is very real, and ebay will lose money itself as the prices fall to nothing.
Yep, but the problem with the "price war" philosophy in this design, is anyone offering the "eBay Best Practices" can't possibly be the "best price".
In addition to them not functioning like "normal" impressions and not factoring impressions, but you still get views. As an example, let's say an item has 1000 impressions and 50 views. If it appears on your listing, and someone clicks it, that will go to 1000 impressions/51 views. Meaning it "looks" like the item performed better than it actually did compared to items that didn't show up in the same spot.
03-29-2019 09:16 AM
What I'm referring to is ebay's habit of advertising identical products from other sellers right inside your own listings. While I've seen ebay do this in patches since as far back as 2015, as of right now, no matter what listing a buyer clicks of mine, ebay then starts promoting the exact same identical product from other sellers. The end result is a never ending price war. djdaniel / op
I can understand why this tactic of e bays seems unfair and they probably shouldn't be doing it . However think of it this way , if they are showing items from other sellers on your listings then your items are probably showing up on other sellers pages as well. In any regard the only way[ in my opinion] to combat this is to always provide top notch customer service . Low prices aren't everything and quite often you'll find customers willing to pay a few extra bucks to get the best service . Tulips
03-29-2019 09:20 AM
@gamersbaystore wrote:I noticed that too. I often back to look at my previously viewed items, and find myself drowned with irrelevant listings I never viewed to begin with. Then I can't find the listings I was actually looking for.
This has been going on for a Long long time.
That's why I just started bookmarking anything I was mildly interested in so I could find it again when Cassini decided I'd seen it once and that was enough lol