10-22-2018 10:01 AM
OK, so I am using what could be considered an inflammatory style in the title, but am looking for rational discussion as I am pointing out issues and places where there could be improvement. There is no "quick fix" solution - just things buyers should do or do better. So offering this up as insight, from a buyer's perspective. So yeah, if you want to look at my feedback or go ahead and make assumptions or attacks, I guess that is your "right." Sigh. But I am just offering insight in hopes a few other sellers might learn from my experience as a buyer.
Recently, I needed to replace an item that I use frequently. So being an ebay seller too, I came here looking to buy. I had in my mind an amount I was willing to pay and searched out recent sales and confirmed I was in the right ball park. Adjusted my amount a bit.
So I entered my search criteria and ebay's algorithm returned 53 items. On closer inspection 19 items (36%! ) were irrelevant. (....and some say there is "throttling?" ) The irrelevant items were items associated with what I wanted but not the exact item. (I used an exact name/info search) So down to 34 listing to consider.
Looking further, about half had prices that were 50% or more higher than the average of recent sales and most of these were BIN with no BO associated. So I looked at the remaining 17 closely. This is where the "fun" begins.
Now what follows is included should anyone wish to understand what a buyer "sees" and experiences.
So the fun is that HALF of the listings were grossly deficient! I am looking at used items and:
It sure appears as though the scant info provided would leave one WIDE opening to claims of NAD since descriptions are weak. Yeah, I know, it doesn't matter in a SNAD case, buyer always wins, but is this a reason to not show the condition or an adequate description? Is this what sellers have defaulted to under the ebay policy? Is this acceptable?
So I ended up sending out 7 emails requesting specific information, additional pictures, etc. I am happy to report that I got 3 replies and those were fast and responsive sellers. {Wish I could have rewarded each of those three with a sale. } But three others - nadda. One seller promised to provide pictures the next day and failed to follow through.
One of these "no reply" sellers had their listings sell for well less than I would have paid. I guess I should have done what most would do, buy cheap and file a SNAD if I was disappointed. But sigh, I have a conscience and just don't work like that.
Oh and there was one seller, with just 3 feedback, who listed scant info and a stock photo. (That in a category known to be trolled by scammer.) Sure looked like a potential scam case waiting to happen.
Then of course I had to go in and look at feedback scores of sellers. One with 95% FB most would have passed by, but it was a low volume seller with a Neg from ONE remorse buyer. Then there was the seller with 1,000s of FB & a rating under 98% and hundreds of Negs for INR & inappropriate behavior (pass).
So in the end, I saw an item that was in great shape but missing a few essential pictures. Got a FAST reply from the seller with extra info and pics. Had a few more email exchanges and ended up buying from a responsive and helpful seller! YEAH! They do exist!
OK, so someone is going to retort - "Hey, you got your item and paid what you want, what is there to complain about!" That is NOT the point of this post.
The point is that in doing what was needed to insure I avoided a "case" (doing the DD noted on these forums) I spent over 3-hours in the buying process! So part of the point is: what other buyer is going to spend that time and effort?
So it is pretty easy to see how disputes arise and how a casual buyer might easily get into trouble. Most of which appears to be avoidable by better listing practices, being responsive to buyers, etc.
Now this is generally my experience when I go looking for used items on ebay. It is time consuming and frustrating and I can see why it might turn off other buyers.
Maybe ebay could create a peer review panel of experts to coach sellers when these kinds of deficiencies occur? But less than stellar selling practices appear to be wide-spread.
I dunno - all fwiw!
OK, now flame away with the personal attacks that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Sigh
10-22-2018 02:04 PM
10-22-2018 02:04 PM
@bubbleman2010 wrote:Most folks come to ebay shopping for champagne on a beer budget and expect world class service and thats just not going to happen....
Respectfully, just as not every buyer is a scammer, not every buyer is seeking champagne on a beer budget.
World class service? Many buyers just want the item they bought in the condition specified, in a somewhat timely fashion.
10-22-2018 02:05 PM
@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:Jeez, I'm not expecting world class service. Walmart level service would be nice. I agree with the OP, there are too many lazy sellers on here. In my category those lazy sellers expect more money than I sell for on my speciality full service website. They throw up a few fuzzy pictures of a dirty item without any kind of description or effort at all.
So from what I'm seeing and I buy a LOT, many Ebay sellers now want to provide thrift store level service but want Neiman Marcus pricing.
Absolutely!
10-22-2018 02:06 PM
@juststuffisell wrote:
I will agree in this point.... rarely do I get a questions sent to me that isn't covered in the listing that they just didn't bother to read.
That is regrettable, many just don't read. But I wonder if it could also be that they are asking for confirmation of the listing, having had too many listings that said things that simply weren't true.
10-22-2018 02:25 PM
10-22-2018 02:46 PM
Selling an item at a discount does not absolve the seller of the responsibility of creating an accurate listing, which is for their protection.
Wondering where did I write or indiate that the seller is ever absolved from being responsible for creating an accurate listing? Could you please highlight where that was written? You just made up an inaccurate straw man statement and then argued against it.
10-22-2018 02:59 PM
10-22-2018 03:11 PM
@juststuffisell wrote:
I will tell you castle, I quit buying on eBay myself. I feel like a hypocrite selling here, but....I have come back and started buying packing materials/boxes/bubble etc... But I have not come back buying the things I used to. Just to many experiences bad sellers and I am a magnet for them …. when it comes to the type of stuff I buy. I maintain about 35K in inventory (my costs) and as I move it, I replace it. I purchased so much I had a line item in my GL for ebay resale items to track ROI.
I think my total spend on ebay inventory wise this year is maybe 4 or 500 bucks and that is only because every now and again I will be researching something and out of the blue I see another piece so cheap relative to retail value, I will drop a few bucks on it and can say for sure the MOST I have spent was $100.00 and I just did that over the weekend. One thing I am not doing, is actively looking for re-sale inventory on eBay like I once did...
I simply can't stand dealing with the **bleep** sellers. Then on top of it, you have to deal with eBay as a buyer to try and return fake items, which is worse than dealing with them as a seller.... So yeah, I can see the OP's point for sure.
A lot wrong with the site, but...you know.... it could be a lot worse as well.
Cheers.
You are not alone. The links I posted were by sellers as buyers who had bad experiences, including hostility with SNADs. Some stopped buying here and some buy significantly less. One was a buyer who was a re seller so his business is less since he is buying less.
I understand why you feel like a hypocrite but you aren't causing the problem and you shouldn't feel badly. That shows just how big a problem this is, when sellers stop buying. If you want to buy, buy, but I understand that there comes a point where one has just had enough.
Yes, it could be worse. There are still some great sellers, but sometimes you just can't tell because the feedback has been scrubbed.
10-22-2018 03:15 PM - edited 10-22-2018 03:17 PM
@threshold.sales.group wrote:
Selling an item at a discount does not absolve the seller of the responsibility of creating an accurate listing, which is for their protection.
Wondering where did I write or indiate that the seller is ever absolved from being responsible for creating an accurate listing? Could you please highlight where that was written? You just made up an inaccurate straw man statement and then argued against it.
Of course there are sloppy ebay sellers, that's bad for all, but what gets lost many times in these sort of discussions is that often the items in question are being shopped and then purchased at a deep discount off regular retail or wholesale. There's no free lunch. If as a buyer folks want to purchase for lower cost than than official distribution channels then that will require doing some digging and putting up with some hassles. Guaranteed. It's just a basic business fact. If the occasional pain in the butt outweighs the chance to lower costs then that buyer should be purchasing from full service sources and paying their price.
This part right here, where you state that you have to do some digging and put up with some hassles~in fact you said it was guaranteed~the inference being that the low price absolves the seller of the responsibility of creating an adequate listing.. If the listing were adequate, you wouldn't need to do digging or have hassles.
So no straw man arguement here at all~and I pointed out that low price does not merit or rationalize an inaccurate or inadequate listing. Just a logical conclusion from your post.
10-22-2018 03:17 PM
There has been a rash of negative threads lately that portray the sellers here as scammers, irresponsible and the reason for low sales and as a seller here for 20 yrs - I really take offense.
I admit my mistakes - go above and beyond to best serve my customers - and try to offer them substantial saving on items they'd like even if my own profit margin decreases a bit.
The sellers many are talking about here have always been here - just as bad buyers have. New names - new faces - new schemes. Lack of descriptions - they were around in the old days even when pictures weren't a must. Not everyone gave clear concise descriptions. Overcharging on shipping - these sellers were the reason we have a shipping charge metric. Late shipment ditto and not answering messages - some sellers have never answered a message from a buyer.
These problems are also the same on other sites. I didn't answer a buyer for 2 days on another venue - but once answered I made the sale. Everyone wants everything yesterday. If a seller doesn't accept an offer - if a buyer doesn't respond to a counter offer. There are wonderful sellers who give awesome customer service here and awesome buyers who love shopping here. The boards usually only hear about the problems here but problems are a small % in my overall sales. On the other hand if buyers are having a hard time with sellers - there is a back button, learn to vet, nothing on Ebay is a necessity that you'll die if you don't have it.
Kudos to all the wonderful sellers on this discussion board who go above and beyond for their customers. These threads really don't pertain to us and tend to paint us in a bad light. The sellers who need to read these types of threads - don't because they honestly don't care or have never bothered to research how to have successful sales here.
10-22-2018 03:42 PM
E-bay's policies have sent many a good seller to other sites or even to start a website of their own. Pushing free shipping, one day shipping, free returns, SNAD or not, DSR's, Defects, etc and I could go on and on, have created a pressure cooker like atmosphere for sellers. Also, when there is no protection from scamming buyers here, many sellers are second guessing their decision to sell here.
Along with their items not being seen either because of a ridiculous search engine or deliberate manipulation by E-bay, which they admit to, many sellers don't even know what the point is of wasting their time and money here. Many of them just don't care anymore. What used to be a great place to sell has become a site in which the stockholders are more important than E-bay's customers.
They are not allowed to be human and make mistakes that are common in the rest of the retail world. So what happens?
Many of the decent sellers leave or no longer sell much on here. Nor do they buy much anymore. Yes, there are scamming sellers but the good and decent sellers far outweight the bad even under the conditions that they are expected to sell under.
COYOTES RULE!!!
10-22-2018 03:44 PM
And there are just as many scamming buyers as there are bad sellers. Probably more since they have far greater protections on this site than sellers do.
COYOTES RULE!!!
10-22-2018 04:07 PM
I don't deny that some good sellers have left - and yet myself and others have stuck it out here for 20 yrs as this is where the sales are. Many pretend that leaving Ebay was the best thing they've ever done -and yet - when I actually check their stores on other venues - they are doing no better than they did here.
Don't want to put up with the policy changes - find another venue that at some time doesn't enact the same policy changes. Ebay is behind the times on many of these changes as Etsy got a new processor quite a while ago and have instituted promoted listings . Amazon raised their fees quite awhile ago - if you have the products that will sell there and have been given acceptance to sell there. Scamming buyers - they are on all venues - I speak from experience - not just because I saw it on this discussion board.
Is Ebay perfect - no - but it works for me and many others - and I still take offense as being portrayed as the bad guy on many of these threads.
10-22-2018 04:17 PM
I know that I have cut my buying on eBay way, way back because I am sick and tired of receiving things that are packaged so poorly that it's a miracle they made it to me in one piece. Bought a watch-- received it wrapped in a single tiny piece of bubble wrap and shoved into a plain manila envelope, not even a bubble mailer. Same thing with a small bottle of shower gel. I was amazed they both arrived undamaged. And these weren't small-time sellers just clearing out stuff they didn't need, these were sellers who had 200+ listings. They simply didn't even care enough to package their items properly.
I've started including notes in my own listings saying that I ship my items in a box to be sure that they will not be damaged just because so many other sellers don't care, and I don't want potential buyers to think that I ship the same way as those lazy sellers. In the meantime, I've taken most of my business over to Amazon because everything I have bought there has come packaged PROPERLY.
10-22-2018 04:39 PM
@castlemagicmemories wrote:
“...Selling an item at a discount does not absolve the seller of the responsibility of creating an accurate listing, which is for their protection...”
Point well said.