mam98031 • Volunteer Community Member • Buyer/Seller since 1999
@sunnydayz132 wrote:Don't forget to add that Ebay also shorts sellers by calculating their selling fee charges based off of item cost,shipping, TAX and handling fees. When the final value fees should only be based off of item cost. I called eBay out on this once. They are getting sneakier and sneakier every day. I might start exploring other platforms as well. Since the last Ebay update non of my items have been selling when I used to sell 3-4 items a week and my prices have not changed 😑
I still don't get it. We have paid our FVFs to Ebay on the amount we charge buyers for shipping for over a DOZEN years. Why is this still something new for some sellers. It is OLD news and it isn't going to change. It is industry standard, all other similar sites charge their fees on shipping too.
BTW your handling charge should be part of the shipping charge you charge your buyer unless you are doing Free Shipping, then it would need to be part of your costs you use to develop your selling price for the product.
It is also important to remember that if Ebay did not charge the FVF on separately stated shipping that is charged to a buyer, then sellers that offer Free Shipping would be penalized for doing that. Which makes no sense.
Fees on Sales Tax ONLY started happening after Ebay became our Money Processor. Before that PayPal charged us their fees on the sales tax and shipping.
@powell-memorabilia wrote:If people are that mentally taxed by reading caps, maybe they should welcome that mental exercise. Seriously - all cap posts aren’t difficult to read. If they are a significant challenge, that’s between the reader and a healthcare provider to discuss.
Wow, that is quite a leap. @meme6253 did not say "mentally taxed by reading caps", that is an assumption made by you. What meme stated is actually what a fact. What you are stating is your personal opinion and you are entitled to that, but it is way off as to why most will be concerned about all caps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_caps
"used especially in order to emphasize something or show that you are angry: Using all caps is considered yelling online."
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/all-caps
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/all-caps-typography-history-tweets-trnd/index.html
Yes they do because buyers do not know exactly how much of the price is actually shipping, so allowing the buyer to rate a seller on this is utterly unfair which is why Ebay made the change.
Good thing is, sellers have not been eval'd on DSRs for a very long time now.
@go-bad-chicken wrote:
@mam98031 wrote:Yes they do because buyers do not know exactly how much of the price is actually shipping, so allowing the buyer to rate a seller on this is utterly unfair which is why Ebay made the change.
Good thing is, sellers have not been eval'd on DSRs for a very long time now.
While the buyer may not know exactly what the seller's actual shipping cost is the buyer does know that whatever that shipping cost is its costing them xx% more (9% more in the example of the California buyer) than it would have if the shipping cast had been separated and stated.
Essentially it would be a protest rating against Free Shipping.
Personally I fall I to the camp of once a buyer agrees to a seller's listing conditions including shipping costs and makes a purchase they shouldn't be able to rate the shipping costs that they agreed to when they made the purchase. But as it stands eBay does allow this, and they view that rating as the buyer's personal opinion regarding those costs. But Free Shipping is costs a very large minority of buyer's more and that IMO should be rate able.
I would really like to see eBay replace that DSR with a Packaging DSR. I think that that is much more reflective of a seller's customer service standards.
But once again if wishes were horses 🐎 we'd all be in the pony selling business 🐴 💰💰💰 here on eBay🎪. 😀
I'm not debating whether some buyers that are in states that do not have sales tax on shipping get concerned over Free Shipping listings. But I would debate they have no right to ding a sellers feedback or DSRs because they think they know what the shipping charge is. That makes no sense. Maybe the shipping charge was exactly what the buyer thought it should be, but they don't know the other numbers that went into the costs the seller considered when setting pricing. And it would really be unlikely that the buyer would consider selling fees. All of which are reasons buyers are not allowed to ding the DSRs for shipping costs on a seller's DSRs.
Buyer's have no right to do this. "Essentially it would be a protest rating against Free Shipping." If the buyer feels that strongly about it, MOVE ON, find a seller with stated shipping.
@mam98031 wrote:
@go-bad-chicken wrote:
@mam98031 wrote:Yes they do because buyers do not know exactly how much of the price is actually shipping, so allowing the buyer to rate a seller on this is utterly unfair which is why Ebay made the change.
Good thing is, sellers have not been eval'd on DSRs for a very long time now.
While the buyer may not know exactly what the seller's actual shipping cost is the buyer does know that whatever that shipping cost is its costing them xx% more (9% more in the example of the California buyer) than it would have if the shipping cast had been separated and stated.
Essentially it would be a protest rating against Free Shipping.
Personally I fall I to the camp of once a buyer agrees to a seller's listing conditions including shipping costs and makes a purchase they shouldn't be able to rate the shipping costs that they agreed to when they made the purchase. But as it stands eBay does allow this, and they view that rating as the buyer's personal opinion regarding those costs. But Free Shipping is costs a very large minority of buyer's more and that IMO should be rate able.
I would really like to see eBay replace that DSR with a Packaging DSR. I think that that is much more reflective of a seller's customer service standards.
But once again if wishes were horses 🐎 we'd all be in the pony selling business 🐴 💰💰💰 here on eBay🎪. 😀
I'm not debating whether some buyers that are in states that do not have sales tax on shipping get concerned over Free Shipping listings. But I would debate they have no right to ding a sellers feedback or DSRs because they think they know what the shipping charge is. That makes no sense. Maybe the shipping charge was exactly what the buyer thought it should be, but they don't know the other numbers that went into the costs the seller considered when setting pricing. And it would really be unlikely that the buyer would consider selling fees. All of which are reasons buyers are not allowed to ding the DSRs for shipping costs on a seller's DSRs.
Buyer's have no right to do this. "Essentially it would be a protest rating against Free Shipping." If the buyer feels that strongly about it, MOVE ON, find a seller with stated shipping.
I know that this flys in the face of what seems reasonable especially for sellers who offer Free Shipping and believe that they are and have been providing the best possible form of shipping service that exists and therefore their choice should be beyond reproach. But the fact still remains that Free Shipping is and does cost a very large minority of buyer's more money. And therefore I argue that if eBay is continues to allow buyers to rate a seller's shipping costs then thwy should inturn allow buyers to rate Free Shipping that is costing them more money regardless of whether or not that actual shipping cost is known. It's going to cost something.
Here's a really good case in point.
Here are 2 generators that are the exact same model. Both are brand new. Both ship from Japan. And Both have the exact same total costs delivered, $4,238.88.
But here is the unfair part of eBay's current "Shipping Cost" DSR rating.
The generator on top that is charging $250 for shipping can receive a 1 star rating while the generator on the bottom that offers Free Shipping gets a free pass and an automatic 5 star rating but costs the California buyer (9% sales tax) $23.50 more due to the seller's CHOICE OF SHIPPING SERVICE, Free Shipping.
It may not seem fair to the sellers who offer Free Shipping but on what planet is that fair to the buyer, to deny them the ability to rate that seller's shipping costs DSR.
Sure the buyer could just move on but the exact same thing could be said for the buyer whoipurchases the generator from the seller who is charging $250 for shipping.
"I know that this flys in the face of what seems reasonable especially for sellers who offer Free Shipping and believe that they are and have been providing the best possible form of shipping service that exists and therefore their choice should be beyond reproach. "
I think that is a leap. It is likely that there is a small number of sellers that may feel this way, it is likely most feel they offer good service with shipping in a reasonable way for the many buyers that like having their shipping included in the price of the product. That use to be the preferred way for buyers. Plenty of studies had been done on this process. But now buyers seem to be slowly moving away from this.
Look, I am not now nor have I ever been arguing with you about the preferences of those buyers located in states that have no sales tax on shipping. If the additional 8% [or so] added in sales tax on $10 of shipping, which would be about 80 cents, then those buyer should not buy from sellers offering free shipping. That is their right. But if they do decide to purchase a Free Shipping item, then they need to honor the sale and leave appropriate FB if they choose to but without dinging the seller for anything to do with Free Shipping. They knew when they purchased the item it was Free Shipping.
@powell-memorabilia wrote:
@mam98031 wrote:
@powell-memorabilia wrote:If people are that mentally taxed by reading caps, maybe they should welcome that mental exercise. Seriously - all cap posts aren’t difficult to read. If they are a significant challenge, that’s between the reader and a healthcare provider to discuss.
Wow, that is quite a leap. @meme6253 did not say "mentally taxed by reading caps", that is an assumption made by you. What meme stated is actually what a fact. What you are stating is your personal opinion and you are entitled to that, but it is way off as to why most will be concerned about all caps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_caps
"used especially in order to emphasize something or show that you are angry: Using all caps is considered yelling online."
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/all-caps
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/23/us/all-caps-typography-history-tweets-trnd/index.html
I was agreeing with him - that an all caps post is not difficult to read. And I didn’t address the “yelling.” And, sure, it is a FACT (all caps to emphasize, not to “yell”) that SOME consider all caps yelling, but certainly not a FACT that it is.
Typing an entire post in all caps is Yelling. You can review some of the links I provided or Google it yourself and discover that for yourself. To put a specific word or words [no where near the entire post] in all caps, you are correct, is to emphasize a point.
The exact post you were responding to sad nothing like what you responded to. There was nothing about someone's mental health even suggested. The exact post was "He is expressing his Anger by using all caps!, So yeah he is yelling, It's not difficult to read let's get real."
For some reading a long post [not the OPs as it wasn't that long] in all Caps can be difficult to read for many and not so much for others. We are not all the same.
It is fine that you don't take an entire post in all caps as yelling. That is your opinion and your right. Others simply don't feel that way and it has nothing to do with their Mental Health.
@powell-memorabilia wrote:You might be reading things incorrectly. Agreed that having difficulty reading is not a “mental health” issue, and I never wrote that it was. “Mental health” is a defined thing - not to be confused with mental acuity.
Seriously - if someone has significant issues reading an all-caps post, that is a great reason to sludge through that task. Sharpen things up a bit, I’d think.
Regardless, it isn’t yelling - yelling is yelling. Someone can claim something is the online equivalent to a punch in the gut, but that just tells you how insignificant these perceived insults and harmless gaffes are.
I hope we can put this conversation to rest. Your exact words were "If people are that mentally taxed by reading caps, maybe they should welcome that mental exercise." You are however correct, you didn't use the word Health, but what you wrote meant the same thing.
The post you originally responded to did not say anything about the ability to read a post in All Caps, you added that.
I have no issue with disagreeing on this subject.
