SCAM PLEASE HELP

[traviscurrier5]

I'm the seller I sold a Graphics Card for $1,700. It sold with-in 30 seconds of me listing it. Which means they are using some monitors. 

With-in a few hours I got a message from another user (I'm Assuming fake-account) saying I just bought your Graphics card can you send it to another address. Red flag.

Question: How does this account know that I just sold my item? I'm assuming he is using two accounts.  The fake account first tries to get me to send it to another address.( Which I declined)  Then the real account is pretending like nothing is happening. (The Good Guy account) so they are trying to get me from two angles.

So I sent the good guy a box now he is saying I sent them the wrong product. And we all know that eBay always goes with the buyer. Do you know how I can convince eBay this is a scam?   I did a report but all they did was deleted the (fake account that tried to get me to send it to another address) eBay is not understanding that account is what is setting up the scam. 

Hope this makes sense.

[traviscurrier5]

If this was the case all these people looking at monitors (recently sold’ filter.) I should have got a lot more DMs..

[rfmtm]

Bottom line is there are many scams going on using ebay.  Some are simple one person scams, others involve two people, and some even more complex scams take three.  Ebay catches some using their bots or from user reports, but many scammers even when suspended, just set up shop again.  Worse is without clear proof, and sometimes even when there is, claims are often not settled fairly.

Not sure what the answer to all this is other than not to sell any expensive and/or high risk items.  Of course ebay and other venues really need to start figuring out better protection and a more fair outcome.

[wesk_36]

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@traviscurrier5 wrote:

eBay does not need to play detective. The proof is all there. eBay has access to your DMs and can see the scam account messaging you. 

There are 2 Accounts 

1.  A scam Account

2.  Good Guy Account (part of the scam)

How does the Scam account know within seconds of the item being "SOLD" to send me a DM saying I bought your product, please send it to a different address (red flag for eBay and the seller). They get this information from the **Good Guy account by sending your eBay ID to the Scam account. So they can DM you. How else would they get this information?  

This is a full-proof scam. If the user does not send it to a different address, the **Good Guy Account can just say that was a scam account and play stupid.  Then when you send your product they use eBay protection by doing a chargeback or say they got the wrong item.

Buyers always win on any dispute and eBay gets their fee. Win-Win for everyone besides the seller. 

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Even you stated;

"I'm assuming he is using two accounts. "

Assumptions are not proof.

Unless you can prove that the two accounts are connected, all you have is conjecture. Your theories are not proof.

That is why I said that ebay will not play detective. They are not going to accept your "fool-proof" two-person scam theory even if it is true, because you have no proof, just conjecture, and you are not law enforcement.

It has been explained to you several times how another member can get the information and try to scam you too with a fake address.

"Seems like other people have other agendas on this forum. "

You are too defensive, nobody here has their "own agenda" other than try to help. By alienating almost everyone that was trying to help, you do yourself a disservice.

"It is crazy to see all the other reply's trying to debunk the scam. It feels like they are working for the scammers. So no one believes my claims."

This is actually proof that you are irrational. There is not one poster that doesn't believe you were not scammed, just that it is very plausible that the second scammer was independent, that scam is reported here every day. Scammer swoops in on a sold listing pretending to be the buyer.

Everyone that responded was trying to help and when the answer is not what you wanted to hear, suddenly we are all working for the scammer. Now that's crazy.

[m60driver]

You should have never tried to sell a $1,700 electronic item on Ebay.  You were always going to get scammed given your limited feedback and your even more limited feedback over the past year.

Why Ebay does not have a bot halting sellers like yourself from suddenly selling high priced and highly scammed items is beyond me.  It would be a fairly simple algorithm that could look at your average sales, standard deviation, and amount of sales over the past year while putting a certain "weight" to highly scammed items like graphics cards, iPhones, etc.  If not actually halting the sale they could at least show a warning that you are initiating a high risk sale and then asking you to accept the risk.   This is Ebay at its most negligent as they have the data to do this.

[bigdeals.etc]

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@wesk_36 wrote:

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Even you stated;

"I'm assuming he is using two accounts. "

Assumptions are not proof.

Unless you can prove that the two accounts are connected, all you have is conjecture. Your theories are not proof.

That is why I said that ebay will not play detective. They are not going to accept your "fool-proof" two-person scam theory even if it is true, because you have no proof, just conjecture, and you are not law enforcement.

It has been explained to you several times how another member can get the information and try to scam you too with a fake address.

"Seems like other people have other agendas on this forum. "

You are too defensive, nobody here has their "own agenda" other than try to help. By alienating almost everyone that was trying to help, you do yourself a disservice.

"It is crazy to see all the other reply's trying to debunk the scam. It feels like they are working for the scammers. So no one believes my claims."

This is actually proof that you are irrational. There is not one poster that doesn't believe you were not scammed, just that it is very plausible that the second scammer was independent, that scam is reported here every day. Scammer swoops in on a sold listing pretending to be the buyer.

Everyone that responded was trying to help and when the answer is not what you wanted to hear, suddenly we are all working for the scammer. Now that's crazy.

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Hm, now I'm beginning to think that YOU are the OPs scammer and this is your 3rd account... right? 🙂

Nice try there. Why else would anyone defend a scammer? I also have reason to believe that you are also an ebay employee and this is all an inside job. Pretty sneaky, but I'm onto you buddy!

[bigdeals.etc]

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@m60driver wrote:

Why Ebay does not have a bot halting sellers like yourself from suddenly selling high priced and highly scammed items is beyond me.

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Because too many of these sellers would end up getting mad at the restriction and blow up a ____ storm. Even now I'm sure you notice all the posts from sellers getting peeved with their existing seller limits and asking how to sidestep them. So many newbies out there wanting to just join ebay and sell that 1 million dollar item.

[traviscurrier5]

If this was the case I would have a ton of DMs waiting to scam me telling me to send my product to a different address. This is not the case. 

[traviscurrier5]

Once again if this was the case I would have a ton of DM's waiting to scam me asking to send it to another address if this is so common. Plus I overpriced my product on purpose to feel the market. The Scammer had no problem paying way way way over "resell" prices... and The scammer even gave me a message saying I don't mind paying that price...huge red flag... Can I ask why you are trying to debunk this scam? Do you have an interest in this somehow? Not just you but a lot of you guys on the forum have a very big interest in this sort of Forum posts. Very quick to reply on such cases. plus you guys all press the helpful button..  hummm

[traviscurrier5]

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@luckythewinner wrote:

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@traviscurrier5 wrote:

Question: How does this account know that I just sold my item?

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Sold items are public information. Anyone can search the site and find them. 

Yes, sold items might be public information, but the scam wouldnt be successful unless the scammer got my eBay ID.  If they didn't have my eBay ID  every scammer on eBay would DM me.  Guess what I only got 1 DM and it was from the scammer.  If this was public information I would have got a ton of DMs bc this is a very popular item.

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@traviscurrier5 wrote:

Then the real account is pretending like nothing is happening. (The Good Guy account) so they are trying to get me from two angles.

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Or the first buyer is perfectly innocent and you are just imagining things. 

Why is the luckythewinner  so interested in putting down the eBay user to think he is "imagining things" The eBay user just got scammed. If anything the seller is on high alert and not "imagining anything". I'm sure the seller knows exactly when the DMs came in and what they said. Especially when the purchase price was 3X over resell amount.  The user is not "IMAGINING ANYING". The so-called "innocent" buyer is not so innocent when he just purchased a product 3x more than the average eBay selling price.  The so-called innocent buyer does not care about the price because it is a scam. IMPORTANT: IF you get a "buy now" seconds after you list it and you know you  overpriced it. Most likely a scam.  

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@traviscurrier5 wrote:

eBay is not understanding that account is what is setting up the scam. 

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The first buyer could be perfectly legitimate. Nothing the second scammer did equired any coordination with the first buyer. 

Yes any buyer COULD be perfectly legitimate, that is how this  scam work. As for any scam they want you to think it is a legitimate person, that is the point. The worst part eBay sides with these accounts. So beware.  The 2 account scam is real. One (goodguy account) and one (scam account).

IMPORTANT: Beware of who you speak to on this FORUM.  Most of the high users are manipulating the narrative. You need to ask yourself. What benefits do these high forum users get for answering eBay questions?  eBay does not pay them. They do this to discourage normal users from filing claims, they all work together. Again ask yourself- Would you sit on the computer all day for "no pay" to answer questions..most likely no...So who is paying these people..I'm sure you can guess who they work for. Just remember Scammers are on the computer all day to scam people. Plus pay close attention this post will get NO thumbs up for "helpful" even though it will be your most helpful post.

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[postingid7659]

Forget the scam guy with the different address.  Handled, end of story.

Concentrate on the buyer who says item not as described.  You have to accept their return or you guarantee you get nothing back and lose the money too.  If you accept the return and give them a label they have to send *something* back, be it the item or a box of rocks.  If they do not send the same item back you have some avenues to pursue, but it's likely it won't end well for you.   

[sandi7766]

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@traviscurrier5 wrote:

If this was the case all these people looking at monitors (recently sold’ filter.) I should have got a lot more DMs..

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The vid card is something everyone is hot to trot for, the other items, not so much

[sandi7766]

Oops didn't mean to respond, hit reply and realized I was on a different thread

[bigdeals.etc]

The OP doesn’t seem to understand that many of us here are agreeing that they are getting scammed.  But by two completely unrelated scammers. I guess it doesn’t make any difference either way... so yea okay, you are being scammed by a team. Probably even more than a team of two but an entire theft ring organization.

[bigdeals.etc]

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@traviscurrier5 wrote:

Can I ask why you are trying to debunk this scam? Do you have an interest in this somehow? Not just you but a lot of you guys on the forum have a very big interest in this sort of Forum posts. Very quick to reply on such cases. plus you guys all press the helpful button..  hummm

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Because we are all actually the same person with multiple accounts... me alongside with everyone else who replied to your thread. Heck, even your two scam buyers are my accounts too. Yup all the same person and all my accounts. Half of all the member accounts here on this forum are actually me. We are all in it together and you totally fell for it. MUHAHAHAHA.