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I don’t want to be a Debbie downer and I’m definitely not looking for sympathy. I am new. 22 sales and 6 returns. 4 lied so I have to pay return shipping. 1-not as red as she wanted 2-spots on sleeve that are not there. 3-shoes didn’t fit even though correct size. 4-lingerie said hole. She made the hole from pulling ribbon bc probably too tight. Said was a gift and noticed right away. Reeks of perfume and has spots all over. Worn for one night and didn’t even wash it. I’m at my wits end. I’ve paid for all the return shipping and total refunds. I’m broke. I feel like closing it down. Anyone else get tons of returns as a new person? I describe everything and too many pictures. I give discounts when asked. My luck or do I suck at this??? Thanks. Please no hate comments bc I can’t handle much more. 

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Wow. I think you’re right. BTW have you considered writing for a living? Eloquent. Thanks much

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Thank you for the kind words.

 

When the Supreme Being passed out brains, he ran out before he could give me enough to match some of the brilliant people I have known.

 

He instead gave me the ability to communicate articulately, and he told me no one will ever notice the shortage of brilliance.

 

It has served me well, over the years. Both in my own business, and in roles as a marketeer in the corporate world and as a consultant.

 

I've added a lot of experience over many years, and others have shared their experience and wisdom with me.

 

Things will get better for you in your own business if you accept the need to learn and change.

 

Good luck.

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Yep I believe you’re 100% correct! Everyone of the returns did ask! 

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Absolutely need a steamer. Pretending it was someone else’s store and yep. There’s many things that need finished. I don’t like the Ai descriptions- they turned a shirt into a dress. 
I think I got lazy and just wanted them listed. One shirt I couldn’t remember what it was. Kidding. I appreciate your advice. I think I’ll end a few things and start over. Happy 2025!❤️🙏

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OK, clothing seller here, been selling here since 97, pretty much exclusively clothing for about 14 years.  Take a look at my listings & also Chapeau's who answered you previously & is an amazing clothing seller.   There are a lot of issues with your listings, sorry to say.  Good news is they're all fixable!  As others have mentioned, drop the AI & give measurements.  But to me the most obvious thing is your pictures need a LOT of work.  Even the good ones are WAY too dark.  You need good lighting, there are 1000 videos & write-ups on the net of how to accomplish that for $30 or so (I do it for free by going outside).  You need to present clothing in a manner that is appealing.  99% of the time that means a clutter-free, well lit photo of the WHOLE item.  Almost never is a close-up of a section of an item, an appropriate main photo (there are exceptions, like your harley-davidson tee, it works there).  Remember, the main pics are zoomable, so people can see the close up by hovering.  You also need to use a background burner.  Way too much clutter & other stuff in there.   You want CLEAN  solid color well lit backgrounds.  Panties on fur, inside of a picture frame?  Huh?  Nope.   Solid white, cream or gray background.  Nothing else in the photos.  The close up of the afghan, no, it looks like microscopic germs or something, I'm sorry but I didn't even know what I was looking at & it makes it look unnattractive.  The pics with the weird circles, I can't even figure out what I'm looking at, but assuming they're shadows b/c the circles are appearing all over the item.   The lime green top with the red writing on it saying the color is wrong, No, go fix the lighting.  You can fix lighting (to a point) in any photo editor, but since almost all your pics are affected, your time would be better spent getting yourself a good lighting set up, then just tweaking as necessary.   Plus editing lighting will often mess with color tone.  Lighting is extra important for clothes b/c color is so important when buying clothing. 

 

Also, the background burner will lighten your pics if you use a white background.   I believe eBay's photo editor has their own, but I use this free one: 

 

https://www.photoroom.com/tools/background-remover

 

there are other good free ones too. 

 

Ok, a couple of other things, someone else mentioned it, don't give discounts just cuz people ask, those are often 'bottom feeders' & they always seem to find something 'wrong' with the item.  They expect perfection for $5.   Value your items, present them well & others will value them too.  

 

Now here's the controversial part.  Take it for what it's worth, many will disagree with me.  I have been No Returns for pretty much all my time on eBay.  I have experimented at times with allowing returns, but allows go back to No Returns.  Keep in mind, if you get a SNAD, you must still accept the return.  HOWEVER, let me tell you what happened the last time I allowed returns, I tried it for 2 months.  First of all, let me tell you that with No Returns, I almost never even get asked!  Maybe 3x a year.  I can say no to anyone unless it's a SNAD (and I do).   So I did a test 2 years ago now where I allowed them for what was supposed to be a 2 month trial.   Suddenly, I had like 8 returns, that's about 4 YEARS worth for me, but ok, I could have lived with that.  Except that 5 of them lied & made it a SNAD reason & so suddenly my SNAD rate was like 6 years worth of SNAD's in a month.  Needless to say, I went back to no returns & I have had maybe 2 SNAD's since in the 2 or maybe it was 3 years, since then.   I think I had 2 return requests all last year, which is about normal for me, though some years I have 0.   I'm not a high volume seller though, I'm sure these numbers would be way different if I was high volume or was not a perfectionist.  


So, consider going no returns.  Also, some people say that doing seller paid returns works well for them b/c people think they have forever to return the item & often don't ever return it.   I'm not brave enough to do that with clothing, but I concede that it can work with other categories.   Buyers have become far more entitled & willing to lie about a SNAD.  Over the last 10 years, I've experimented with returns many times & never had this kind of crazy results that I did the last time.  But I got so many SNAD's it was putting me in danger of having to pay higher fees if I got much more.   Also, know that the way eBay presents the return reason choices has SNAD options near the top, so many buyers will click on 'item was not as described' thinking they're just asking to return & having no idea that it's a SNAD.   Sometimes they aren't trying to get a free ride, they just want to return the item.  

 

Don't feel bad, these are common newbie mistakes & they're easy to fix.  It sounds like a lot of work, but once you have a good lighting set up & stop doing the odd close-ups, I suspect a lot of your issues will go away.   Your sales will improve b/c people will be able to accurately see what they're buying. 

 

ETA; I'd stick with the hanging presentation, the flat lays look very sloppy, although the color is better in some like that jean jacket.  The flat lay color is good, but it's a crumpled mess.   Your first 3 pics show 3 TOTALLY different colors for the same item.  No wonder you're getting returns.   Describe like there's no photos & photograph like there's no description!  Lots of buyers NEVER bother to read the description! 

 

This one goes to Eleven - Nigel Tufnel

Simply-the-best-for-you Volunteer Community Mentor
eBay Seller since 1996

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@bellagotti24  So glad to see you're taking the responses in the spirit given & are going to make changes.  I just left a long, doozy of an explanation, but with 28 years of selling under my belt, mostly clothing, it's a worthwhile read even tho' it's a dose of tough love.  Here's the thing, you're already way ahead of most who post here, b/c you're willing to listen to the feedback objectively & make changes!   Most people really just come here to complain.  They ignore the feedback & are back here 6 months later making the same complaints & not having made any of the improvements that people took their time to suggest.  The fact that you can look at it objectively, puts you above the masses & will go a long ways towards making you successful here.  

This one goes to Eleven - Nigel Tufnel

Simply-the-best-for-you Volunteer Community Mentor
eBay Seller since 1996

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Yeh, I agree.  It sucks.  Now I'm nervous about the shoes I have listed.

 

Buyers can buy-and-switcheroo, sellers can sell you an item that smells like cat pee, and stingy buyers can go around complaining about sellers who have an issue shipping to a buyer after they win a $0.99 auction for a $50 item.

 

Tell you a story...

 

A few years ago I convinced myself I would "be a reseller" from watching too many YouTubers who do this for a living.  I don't, I'm just clearing out old stuff from my basement, when I don't give it away to Goodwill.  But anyway I got excited and I won an auction on an entirely different auction site, which had extremely terse regulations by the way and nothing as nice or friendly as ebay, and in that auction I bought 10 old radios for $200.  It turned out 9 of the radios were broken or needed repairs.   All smelled like oil and needed cleaning.  I spent a week cleaning them all at least 4 hours a day.  Then I discovered one needed $200 in replacement parts.  8 were worthless and 1 I thought I could sell for $30.  I put it on eBay at a low price to encourage a bid war, and it was auctioned off for $4.99 + $30 shipping this large old radio.  I checked it thoroughly before I listed it.  I was convinced everything was working.  When the "Boombox" was received by the winning bidder, he claimed it was not playing through one of the speakers.  I had no way to get out of it.  I don't know if it was even true.  He knew what to say in the request for refund, even though I have a NO RETURNS policy (which, by the way, means absolutely nothing)...  I had to eat the loss. I had to refund him $4.99 plus the shipping and I got nothing out of it.  It would have cost more for him to return it to me than I could have gotten for it on a good day.  The other radio is fully restored and has been listed on eBay for 4 years, unsold.  So, I'm out $235 on the deal since the other radios have never sold and went to Goodwill.

 

I knew I had to take the refund because "NO RETURNS" doesn't mean ANYTHING.  Just give them the item and eat the loss, instead of going through the lengthy dispute process.  Or, have them return it -- I guess using the dispute process since the bank will require them to pay for return shipping.  Really depends on the item and how much you're into it for.  I expect a box of bricks and broken glass back if a seller were to "return" anything to me.

 

Another solution is to use an ebay store that ships for you.

 

Also, I think this is why selling on Facebook Marketplace, while riskier, is an established alternative.

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@hgil8527   No Returns, means you can decline REMORSE return reasons.  It does NOT mean you can decline SNAD returns.   No Returns works just fine for declining remorse returns, I have done it tons of times, but yeah, you can't decline a SNAD.  

 

I'm sorry you had a bad experience but as a 28 year seller, for me, less than 1% of sales has an issue.  99.999% of them go great.  The few returns I've allowed have gone fine.  I've had exactly 1 scam attempt in 28 years, which I recognized as such & didn't bite.  Lots of people are very successful on here.   But you do have to know the rules, source smartly & taking a loss, no matter how unpleasant happens to everyone in business at some point or another. 

This one goes to Eleven - Nigel Tufnel

Simply-the-best-for-you Volunteer Community Mentor
eBay Seller since 1996

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INAD ("Item Not As Described") or SNAD ("Significantly not as described") can mean anything.  It's just a category of claim.   The level of significance is unclear, but if a buyer asks for a refund you have to honor it no matter what you wanted policy-wise .. even if you suspect the seller destroyed the item yourself.  If you want sell-one-and-done then go to a flea market or sell out of your car trunk. 

 

See, on the side of the buyer, if they are honest and morally rooted, they are looking through a digital window onto an item they cannot pick up, smell, hold, touch, turn around in their hands, inspect in person.  So really everything is a potential claim for not as described, which is why it almost always goes in the favor of the buyer when requesting a refund.  As far as I know, there is absolutely nothing that can be done by a seller once the buyer decides to hit that button / go that route, other than dragging it out over time, which really serves no purpose other than to delay the inevitable in exchange for a lot of overhead.

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INAD ("Item Not As Described") or SNAD ("Significantly not as described") can mean anything.  It's just a category of claim.   The level of significance is unclear, but if a buyer asks for a refund you have to honor it no matter what you wanted policy-wise .. even if you suspect the seller destroyed the item yourself.   

@hgil8527   That is not a true statement.   I've denied probably 100 requests for returns.  It depends on the REASON chosen for the return request whether you're allowed to deny it or not.   I do understand that buyers can lie & that a SNAD can mean anything & that even if a buyer opens it as a SNAD incorrectly (intentional or not, I've had both), that you cannot deny the request.  

 

However, a properly opened non-SNAD reason return request can absolutely be Denied & the 'Deny this Request' option will show up for you.   I've done it many times.    I will concede though that it can be frustrating b/c I sometimes feel like I'm denying the ones who follow the rules & rewarding the ones who lie.  

 

<<As far as I know, there is absolutely nothing that can be done by a seller once the buyer decides to hit that button / go that route, other than dragging it out over time, which really serves no purpose other than to delay the inevitable in exchange for a lot of overhead.>> 

 

NOT correct.  If they open the request with what eBay deems a non-SNAD reason and you are No Returns, you can absolutely deny the request.   Like I said, I have done it many times & it has always been available since they implemented this.   Non-SNAD reasons vary by Category.  The buyer gets a dropdown choice.  Some of those choices are deemed SNAD reasons by eBay & others are deemed Remorse reasons.  It totally depends on which one the buyer chooses.   For example in Clothing, if the buyer chooses 'Doesn't Fit' or 'Changed My Mind', you WILL have the option to Deny the request.   I'm paraphrasing the names of the reasons b/c I don't recall exactly what they are.  

This one goes to Eleven - Nigel Tufnel

Simply-the-best-for-you Volunteer Community Mentor
eBay Seller since 1996

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@hgil8527   Also, just to be clear, IF you Deny a Return Request b/c you have the option to do so, the buyer may still leave FB.  So that's something to consider.  Personally, I do it pretty smoothly, so I have never rec'd a NEG/NEUT for denying, but it is a possibility.  

 

Good luck with your shoe sale! 

This one goes to Eleven - Nigel Tufnel

Simply-the-best-for-you Volunteer Community Mentor
eBay Seller since 1996

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The problem you are experiencing is with what you are selling. After 20+ years on eBay I've found that THE hardest thing to sell, without generating the headache of irrational returns, is... Women's Clothing. Specifically, USED Women's clothing! I'm a man. The items I sell are often items from my deceased parent's estate: many are items that usually were stored new and never used; but when I list them they are always clean and presentable for sale. The most irrational, absurd, emotional comment I ever got was in negative feedback, when a female buyer complained that the bag in which the purchased clothing item was sent "smelled funny". Not that it had any effect on the item she purchased - she only complained about the bag - which was disposable. Yes, apparently some women will literally put their nose in a bag to find something to complain about, and try to force a return to circumvent a stated policy of no returns - because some people are 'remorseful buyers' looking for an excuse.

My advice: Don't sell clothing, unless it is new with tags (maybe). Don't accept returns on anything you are selling, unless the item is defective.

Remember, there are some buyers who can never be satisfied, and they can make your life miserable.

 

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Well said! Yes, if a remorseful or shady buyer is trying to force a return without a valid reason, you as a seller can and should challenge the SNAD return. ("Significantly" is the operant word in SNAD. ) Sometimes if you question the buyer carefully about their fraudulent claim, the truth will be revealed. That will help you present your case or an appeal to eBay to show that the buyer is lying or trying to force an unwarranted return.

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Well said! Yes, if a remorseful or shady buyer is trying to force a return without a valid reason, you as a seller can and should challenge the SNAD return. ("Significantly" is the operant word in SNAD. ) Sometimes if you question the buyer carefully about their fraudulent claim, the truth will be revealed. That will help you present your case or an appeal to eBay to show that the buyer is lying or trying to force an unwarranted return.


@chienoir   Thank you & I love your user name.  Though I can't agree with you about not selling women's clothing.  I've done it seriously for about 12 -14 years & honestly, I maybe have 1-2 problem tx's a YEAR.  But I'm a woman, so I'm probably more familiar with sizing & I'm super detail oriented, which helps.   Of cousre I would never say a man can't be successful at it, but being a woman helps with the extremely complex sizing & having been a fashionista for many decades doesn't hurt either.  I know the brands, I know which run small & large or weird 🙂  

 

Just so you know though, eBay no longer adjudicates cases, so while you should definitely put the buyer on your BBL & report them (if they are lying), there's no point in fighting it anymore & your acct can end up worse than if you just accepted the return.   They quit adjudicating about 4-5 years ago.  

 

BTW your bag complaint probably had merit.  It is a well known issue about the plastic ziploc style interior bags that we clothing sellers discuss ad infinitum on other boards.  There are issues with the machinery from time to time, that makes them smell smoky.   Also, since most of us buy the bags from a couple of the same sellers, when they have a bad batch, it affects us all & there's an uproar.  Your buyer likely got one of those.   Smoky smelling inner bags have been an issue for over 10 years now.  It's when an equipment malfunction happens & honestly probably happens with all the sellers cuz they aren't manufacturing their own bags.  Compounded by the fact that the plastic smells smoky to begin with, so when there's a bad batch they get extra smoky & the sellers all get up in arms b/c people can think our items smell like smoke.  It's a continual problem & most clothing sellers notice it on their own bags & don't use those.  If you're not aware of the issue, I can see how it can seem ridiculous, but it's not, b/c the bag can impart the smoke smell to the item.  My worst ever was a buyer that left me a neg cuz a wool sweater was "ichey".  Ummm, it's a wool sweater, of course it's "ichey".  If you don't want that, don't buy wool LOL.  Good selling to you! 

 

 

This one goes to Eleven - Nigel Tufnel

Simply-the-best-for-you Volunteer Community Mentor
eBay Seller since 1996

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The bag in question wasn't a zip-lock bag. It was simply a disposable plastic bag that was fully open. The bottom line is that if a remorseful buyer wants to force an unjustified return, they will stop at nothing to try to do so. (And of course, any experienced seller will block that buyer immediately.)

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