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Not sure if it is funny or not but i am seeing trends.....

Walmart now doing commercials to be like Amazon...Amazon doing commercials just like Walmart. The box arrives at the door all nice and neat, consistent with company logo etc....Fullfillment!

 

Ebay is now siding with buyers for returns....Yet why do they not follow the footsteps like Amazon when they want to be like Amazon?????

 

Amazon is banning buyers for returns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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All these quotes above are not from my posts.  Some are and some aren't.  Some are incomplete / out of context so they appear to mean something not intended.  But of course your comments are welcomed.

 

Yes, I know.  I respond to ideas, not @ users, and unfortunately every post here ends up being "AT" someone.  Since the overseers here seem to have a problem with "repetitive" posts to a topic, I did not want to put up 10 posts to reply to 10 comments/ideas.  Since I started with your comment, it ended up being in reply to you.  I apologize for the less than ideal functionality and practices here that caused this to happpen.  It is nothing personal, even when I AM replying to your comments...

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They have been advertising the free returns for a while now front and center.  Anybody get more business from Ebay pushing the returns? More customers come out of the woodwork?   Me neither.  I know over the past year I have seen a steady rise in returns.  It used to be a return was a rare thing in what I sell.  Now its become a common occurence.  I can understand the return policy for certain categories such as clothing for example.  I dont understand it for collectibles/antiques/uniques.  If its as listed and described you bought it  .  What is worse is the buyers who seem to wait until just when you ship the item to change their mind and open a returns case.   Amazon allways had a lot of this but I do a small % on there compated to my ebay sales.  I'd hate to see the ebay sales follow suit with more and more chronic renters/returners on items.

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@ted_200 wrote:

All these quotes above are not from my posts.  Some are and some aren't.  Some are incomplete / out of context so they appear to mean something not intended.  But of course your comments are welcomed.

 

@Yes, I know.  I respond to ideas, not @ users, and unfortunately every post here ends up being "AT" someone.  Since the overseers here seem to have a problem with "repetitive" posts to a topic, I did not want to put up 10 posts to reply to 10 comments/ideas.  Since I started with your comment, it ended up being in reply to you.  I apologize for the less than ideal functionality and practices here that caused this to happpen.  It is nothing personal, even when I AM replying to your comments...


Unless you say you are posting from various other posters post, it appears to be all from the poster  you reponded to.  

 

If you decide to post in response to someone else post but are commenting on something someone else said, you should take a moment to note that.  

 

It has nothing to do with "being personal" and everything to do with accuracy.  Some of the other comments from other posters I agree with and some I don't.  I don't want that to seem as if it came from me when it did not.  And the other posters may feel the same thing about my actual comments.

 

I'm just asking you to be accurate when you quote, nothing more.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999

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Free Returns has been around for awhile, but only to a select few sellers as it was being tested by Ebay.  As of May all sellers could offer it if they wanted.  And as of June 1st the requirements for TRS+ to offer Free Returns kicks in.


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999

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Thank you!

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@castlemagicmemories

INR's aren't the seller's fault, either, that is on the carrier. 

 

Unless the purchase was vapourware.

I have a strong suspicion that many of the items that (often Asian) sellers refund promptly when the customer complains about non-delivery, never existed in the first place.

Post a picture of a Thing at a low price.

Don't ship.

Don't track (because; not shipped).

Many buyers complain, get refunded, and move on.

Some buyers forget or don't care about a $3 Thing ordered two months ago and move on.

Seller keeps the money from the forgetful buyers. And perhaps some interest on the money they received and later refunded.

A penny here , a penny there.

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@mam98031 wrote:

Free Returns has been around for awhile, but only to a select few sellers as it was being tested by Ebay.  As of May all sellers could offer it if they wanted.  And as of June 1st the requirements for TRS+ to offer Free Returns kicks in.


Sellers have been able to offer free returns since the day eBay opened their doors!

 

Personally I've offered them since 2012, you certainly don't need to be a "select seller" to offer seller paid returns!

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@castlemagicmemories

INR's aren't the seller's fault, either, that is on the carrier. 

 

Unless the purchase was vapourware.

I have a strong suspicion that many of the items that (often Asian) sellers refund promptly when the customer complains about non-delivery, never existed in the first place.

Post a picture of a Thing at a low price.

Don't ship.

Don't track (because; not shipped).

Many buyers complain, get refunded, and move on.

Some buyers forget or don't care about a $3 Thing ordered two months ago and move on.

Seller keeps the money from the forgetful buyers. And perhaps some interest on the money they received and later refunded.

A penny here , a penny there.


Excellent points and so true.  I really do think this goes on.  I see threads all the time on the Buying Board and they just say, oh well, I'm only out five dollars.  And I say, yes, but if everyone they did this to said oh well, then how much money are they getting that they should NOT be getting!  That is why they do this!  And I encourage them to file with PP if the ebay deadline has passed.  Hopefully, they do.  If no one bought in the first place, let alone not file a case, then maybe this would go away.

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@castlemagicmemories

INR's aren't the seller's fault, either, that is on the carrier. 

 

Unless the purchase was vapourware.

I have a strong suspicion that many of the items that (often Asian) sellers refund promptly when the customer complains about non-delivery, never existed in the first place.

Post a picture of a Thing at a low price.

Don't ship.

Don't track (because; not shipped).

Many buyers complain, get refunded, and move on.

Some buyers forget or don't care about a $3 Thing ordered two months ago and move on.

Seller keeps the money from the forgetful buyers. And perhaps some interest on the money they received and later refunded.

A penny here , a penny there.


What?

 

The upcoming change is NOT specific to only Asian sellers.  I get it that Asian sellers are a HUGE problem for us US sellers, but they aren't changing the policy come September.  It is Ebay that will be holding these against us.

 

BRs are our fault either, but Ebay sees it differently.  Somehow sellers should know better and are able to service their customers better to avoid BRRs according to Ebay.  


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999

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@slippinjimmy wrote:

@mam98031 wrote:

Free Returns has been around for awhile, but only to a select few sellers as it was being tested by Ebay.  As of May all sellers could offer it if they wanted.  And as of June 1st the requirements for TRS+ to offer Free Returns kicks in.


Sellers have been able to offer free returns since the day eBay opened their doors!

 

Personally I've offered them since 2012, you certainly don't need to be a "select seller" to offer seller paid returns!


OK, let's not do this please.

 

The program / Policy called FREE RETURNS just started.

 

You are correct in the fact that for all sellers any SNAD return request requires the seller to pay for return shipping.  And that has been Ebay's rule for years.  This however is NOT what is being talked about.  

 

As I'm sure you are aware, Ebay has started a new policy called Free Returns.  It is called that because those that choose to have this as their return policy will be paying return shipping on ALL types of return requests to include BR.  Outside the Free Returns policy, Ebay does not require that the seller pays the return shipping on a BR request for return.

 

I know it can be confusing, I didn't name the darn thing.  I hate the name of the policy.  But it is what Ebay has choosen to call it.  


mam98031  •  Volunteer Community Member  •  Buyer/Seller since 1999

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I'm pretty sympathetic to Asian sellers, especially since I am non-US myself (Canada).

Most people are honest.

When you get a huge population, and a small percentage  of dishonest people within it, then you get a large number of dishones people.

The vast majority of transactions with Chinese sellers go perfectly.

The item is as described, arrives in reasonable time, and the price is good.

Then there is that small percentage.

 

It annoys Americans when I say that most of my problems are with American customers. But then about 80% of my customers are Americans.

Over the decades I've had maybe a dozen customers from the Netherlands. Earlier this year, I had a problem with a customer from Amsterdam. That's a high percentage  but a low number.

I've had tens of thousands of American customers, what with seven accounts and having been around since 1998.  In that time, more than 30 problems. That's a very low percentage, even though there have been more problem Americans than Dutch.

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@dugoldstuff wrote:
I bought a cute little bathroom trash can at the just-opened "At Home" store in my town.
I decided it was exactly what I wanted, but I wanted it for free.
So, I went back to the store an hour later with my stained, smelly old trash can.
I went to the cashier and said I had a return.
She asked if I had a receipt and I said no.
She said, "Sure, we'll be happy to take it back, and give you money for the gas to come here. "
Then, she turned around to her cash register and charged the company in China that sent it to the store.
So, I got the trash can I wanted for free, I got to get rid of my old one without having to pay to dispose it, and I got come cash in my wallet to boot!

SARC

I hope this a joke!  If it not, no wonder everyone wants stuff for free.  Your post just hit me wrong!

Seller since 09/20/01 ~~ this is my posting ID.
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@reallynicestamps wrote:

I'm pretty sympathetic to Asian sellers, especially since I am non-US myself (Canada).

Most people are honest.

When you get a huge population, and a small percentage  of dishonest people within it, then you get a large number of dishones people.

The vast majority of transactions with Chinese sellers go perfectly.

The item is as described, arrives in reasonable time, and the price is good.

Then there is that small percentage.

 

It annoys Americans when I say that most of my problems are with American customers. But then about 80% of my customers are Americans.

Over the decades I've had maybe a dozen customers from the Netherlands. Earlier this year, I had a problem with a customer from Amsterdam. That's a high percentage  but a low number.

I've had tens of thousands of American customers, what with seven accounts and having been around since 1998.  In that time, more than 30 problems. That's a very low percentage, even though there have been more problem Americans than Dutch.


My problem isn't with the Asian sellers themselves at all.  It is our government and theirs that allow for them to ship from Asia to the US for a substantially cheaper rate than I can ship something across the street.  It give Asia sellers a significant UNFAIR advantage over other sellers.  These shipping rates are not small by any stretch of the imagination.  They are HUGE.

 

That is my problem.


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@reallynicestamps wrote:

@castlemagicmemories

INR's aren't the seller's fault, either, that is on the carrier. 

 

Unless the purchase was vapourware.

I have a strong suspicion that many of the items that (often Asian) sellers refund promptly when the customer complains about non-delivery, never existed in the first place.

Post a picture of a Thing at a low price.

Don't ship.

Don't track (because; not shipped).

Many buyers complain, get refunded, and move on.

Some buyers forget or don't care about a $3 Thing ordered two months ago and move on.

Seller keeps the money from the forgetful buyers. And perhaps some interest on the money they received and later refunded.

A penny here , a penny there.


Wouldn't refunding over half your orders for non-delivery cause Seller Performance issues for the seller, and get them banned?

 

 

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OK, let's not do this please.

 

The program / Policy called FREE RETURNS just started.

 

You are correct in the fact that for all sellers any SNAD return request requires the seller to pay for return shipping.  And that has been Ebay's rule for years.  This however is NOT what is being talked about.  

 

As I'm sure you are aware, Ebay has started a new policy called Free Returns.  It is called that because those that choose to have this as their return policy will be paying return shipping on ALL types of return requests to include BR.  Outside the Free Returns policy, Ebay does not require that the seller pays the return shipping on a BR request for return.

 

I know it can be confusing, I didn't name the darn thing.  I hate the name of the policy.  But it is what Ebay has choosen to call it.  

 

I think the point was that before ANY of this nonsense started (including BP programs), sellers had the latitude to establish whatever sort of return policy they wanted, and some sellers  have had free returns - for ANY reason, not just a SNAD claim - for two decades. 

 

 

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