Reporting Fraudalent Listings

[outfittersupport]

(I was a long time eBay seller) So now understanding how eBay works and their protocol for flagging specific listings, apparently you can get 3-4 friends or more with active accounts on eBay, and spend as much time as you like flagging competitor listings to ruin other sellers lives and their potential sales. (Also you can buy new eBay accounts online to rinse and repeat this, use a fake address/information singing up on each account, which eBay has no control over apparently until its figured out which unfortunately is too late for the damage that is done.)

This works right now and the scum of the earth are doing it.  Also Ebay shrugs their shoulders to this when you as seller confront them on this... What a curve ball, wonder how they'll stop that or will this be another federal lawsuit against eBay? ? ?

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@redlinear

Alright your first sentence "used to report ebay listings/sellers that had listings that violated eBay policies."

I don't violate eBay policies so lets throw that right out the window, next you can flag a sellers listing with multiple people claiming that its UN-authentic, which in the sports memorabilia world is a huge thing - ask how eBay deals with sports memorabilia that's being flagged as unauthentic........ If you don't believe me, do it to yourself and find out.

Next you said:

"If you're a seller and creating legitimate eBay legal listings? You have nothing to worry about."

I told you what is going on above and my money is gone, my listings for those items are gone, my time and labor is gone as well. So what do I not have to worry about? Ummm please re-read that sentence, I do have to worry about listing items for sale on this website.

My items are legitimate because I purchased them or pulled them out fresh card packs that I personally bought.) Knowing that, how did my items getting taken down randomly for "not being authentic" then ???? ( THEY ARE AUTHENTIC)

[onefootflipper1]

You are a trading card seller with 3 listings who sells one card a month.  There are thousands of card sellers who have 10,000 listings or more.  Only one your items has any direct competition.

Whatever would make you think that you would in any way be on the mind of any of your competitors?

[lux.ra_14]

I've reported outright fraud on eBay, and nothing happens.

I documented for eBay in plain language why the listings were blatantly and obviously fraudulent. Crickets. No replies, other than the initial automated e-mails about how seriously eBay takes fraud.

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@soh.maryl

My proof will be me doing this technique and recording it. ( Remember I'm talking about Sports memorabilia and flagging listings for authenticity) Stay tuned for that, also theres already proof of this in the comments above from another seller claiming to flag accounts which they claimed can take a listing down but sometimes it doesn't.

If I had legitimate items for sale (which I do) and those items got flagged for UN-authenticity but there legit then what? Who's at fault there?

[redlinear]

@outfittersupport 
 You are NOT anybody's "competition".  (yet)  
No seller is going to waste any time whatsoever on a seller with 10 or 20 or 30 or 200 listings. 
If you're being turned in for something, it's some buyer from the past that paid too much for something.

I agree on the "several" users, or hired hands, or whatever you want to call a "group" of users that might be able to get a seller or some listings ended (whereas, one user couldn't).
But I highly doubt that's what's going on if you've had listings taken down.
Looks like some bad buyers remorse to me

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@redlinear 

I don't give  a **bleep** if I've only sold 1 item for sale on the existence of the account, that's not the point nor am I going to puff out my digital chest against yours. Let alone you have no clue how many ebay accounts I have or what account it happened on... my point is this criminal technique I've described is being used specifically inside the sports memorabilia world and is happening daily - flagging for authenticity. Ebay can't authenticate so how would they know regardless? Being someone that has got taken for a ride, lost money-time-passion for just trying to sell some sports memorabilia is a **bleep** tragedy and it will happen to many more people.

Is this board not to communicate within the eBay community, am I wrong for speaking, being a person trying to sell legitimate items to others? But yet keep coming back trying to speak on this problem when I'm the one sitting here with legitimate items I can no longer sell because of fake flaggings? and I'm not supposed to be upset... right.

[rockyroadtradingpost]

I hate to say it, and you probably already know it, but this is how pretty much the entire world is run. 

People manipulating policies for themselves and against others, to steer outcomes.

[onefootflipper1]

I think we are all trying to tell you that if you are on anyone's radar then it is a buyer.

Did this JUST start like yesterday? If so then you might want to seriously look at whoever bought your Kobe card as they paid your $102 for a card that sold for $20 yesterday and $11.99 today.

[redlinear]

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@outfittersupport wrote:

@redlinear 

I don't give  a **bleep** if I've only sold 1 item for sale on the existence of the account, that's not the point nor am I going to puff out my digital chest against yours. Let alone you have no clue how many ebay accounts I have or what account it happened on... my point is this criminal technique I've described is being used specifically inside the sports memorabilia world and is happening daily - flagging for authenticity. Ebay can't authenticate so how would they know regardless? Being someone that has got taken for a ride, lost money-time-passion for just trying to sell some sports memorabilia is a **bleep** tragedy and it will happen to many more people.

Is this board not to communicate within the eBay community, am I wrong for speaking, being a person trying to sell legitimate items to others? But yet keep coming back trying to speak on this problem when I'm the one sitting here with legitimate items I can no longer sell because of fake flaggings? and I'm not supposed to be upset... right.

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You have accused registered users of ganging up on you and reporting your items (I think).
So, rather than attempting to convince you that this is not what happened.
I'll ask, what do you want us to do about it?  (since you are addressing other registered users instead of eBay)
I'm here to help, what can I do?

I agree. Stuff like you claim probably does happen.
It's just not happening to the ID of yours that I know about.

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@rockyroadtradingpost 

This has been the most truthful response yet. Thank you for having a back bone and being able to see & understand the truth. Your spot on, but I will not back down or accept corruption. Appreciate the words

[golfingaddict]

At the risk of getting flogged by you, can you tell me how you know that multiple users/accounts were used to falsely report your listings?

And buying new accounts to do this to you?

It sounds like quite an involved conspiracy to go after you.

I absolutely believe that authentic items are pulled daily and falsely labeled as "fakes" but the idea that there are people opening multiple accounts to go after you seems a bit of a reach. Sorry.

[redlinear]

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@golfingaddict wrote:

At the risk of getting flogged by you, can you tell me how you know that multiple users/accounts were used to falsely report your listings?

And buying new accounts to do this to you?

It sounds like quite an involved conspiracy to go after you.

I absolutely believe that authentic items are pulled daily and falsely labeled as "fakes" but the idea that there are people opening multiple accounts to go after you seems a bit of a reach. Sorry.

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Exactly

[onefootflipper1]

If you truly believe it is a seller then do this.

Take down all your listings.

Wait two weeks.

Change your username.

Wait 2 weeks.

Start selling again. 

Any competitors that were bothering you would have your username on their naughty list. While a buyer would be accessing your account via a feedback link or something similar that would survive a name change.

[redlinear]

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@onefootflipper1 wrote:

I think we are all trying to tell you that if you are on anyone's radar then it is a buyer.

Did this JUST start like yesterday? If so then you might want to seriously look at whoever bought your Kobe card as they paid your $102 for a card that sold for $20 yesterday and $11.99 today.

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I'm leaning toward older sale than that.
Somebody already got an item delivered, and for some reason they think they got a bad deal and they think that it's the sellers fault.. A bad enough deal to retaliate.

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@redlinear

Alright, whether its from registered users, eBay bots, or w/e the hell you want to call it, this problem is happening - I don't know from which party, how would I? My point of coming onto this eBay forum is to tell everyone that it is happening and can happen. I don't know care to know exactly who or what did it ( although it would be nice to know), the point is that IT CAN HAPPEN.

Also because this issue has **bleep** me off so much, I will be doing this exact technique, recording it all and then presenting it just to prove that its fairly easy to do. I'm not trying to argue about being a victim, just presenting nefarious activity that eBay can't regulate well. Sorry if that isn't something you wanted to read, I think its important to protect sellers