Removed Listing by eBay !!!

[ottomannumis]

eBay "expert team" removed my listing stating my currency is "replica" not authentic !!!! I can not believe how eBay is still in business with this type of "experts" !! I attached image !!

[ottomannumis]

With your mentality we should not sell on eBay at all.
By the way did you ever question how much eBay donates to the hunger, or poor people??? With a 10.7 billion Dollars income a year???
It’s easy to criticize Sellers who are trying to add a little extra to their income to support their families!!

[jaldi-55]

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@inhawaii wrote:

There are hundreds of listings for $2 bills on ebay without any authentication. Why is this any different?

Unfortunately other than legal action, i don't think there's a whole lot you can do.

Ebay is the judge, jury and executioner. What they say goes. 

Kinda like when i get suspended from these boards what seems like every month.

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Because $2 bills are far less likely to be forced. Why fake 500 $2 bills when you can fake 1 $1,000 bill?

[ottomannumis]

This is going to a wrong direction!!
We are not discussing here what to make fake!!!
I put a clear image of my note, and stating that eBay made a wrong decision to remove my %100 authentic note as replica!!

[lacemaker3]

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@ottomannumis wrote:
This is going to a wrong direction!!
We are not discussing here what to make fake!!!
I put a clear image of my note, and stating that eBay made a wrong decision to remove my %100 authentic note as replica!!

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@ottomannumis, as @fashunu4eeuh pointed out earlier, the policy for collectible currency is that anything valued over $1,000 must be graded, or it can't be listed. SInce the face value in this case is $1,000, the collectible value is obviously over the limit.

So if you want to list it on eBay, it must be graded by a company on the list of acceptible companies, as in the link below.

@fashunu4eeuh wrote:

Hi again. The problem with having an ungraded collectible banknote is that eBay will not allow anything valued over $1000 to be listed if it is not graded. The policy can be found here:

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/prohibited-restricted-items/stamps-currency-coins-policy?id=4337

"Listings for current, exchangeable, ungraded currency from any country worldwide cannot exceed $1,000 in value, whether in a single listing or in a combination of multiple listings."

Like others have said, it is best not to risk putting back up an item that was previously removed, even with permission. I have seen sellers get suspended doing just that, even when they were advised it was ok to relist.

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[monster-deals]

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@yuzuha wrote:

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@ottomannumis wrote:
Authentication its not required by eBay when you list a Banknote.
I just did end my other listing, but why should I pay $45+insurance+shipping fee to get authenticated???

Okay, let's turn that around: why should I, as a buyer, purchase something that has not been authenticated? 

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I'm 49 years old and have never bought anything that was "authenticated".

[fashunu4eeuh]

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@ottomannumis wrote:
This is going to a wrong direction!!
We are not discussing here what to make fake!!!
I put a clear image of my note, and stating that eBay made a wrong decision to remove my %100 authentic note as replica!!

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You are absolutely right to be outraged that your bill was removed on suspicion of being counterfeit. I see from others listed that these are indeed very valuable banknotes. I am so sorry you were unfairly flagged and lost out on selling it here. 

The reason i asked about grading in my first post was because your listing, as it was, didn't follow the Collectible Currency policy. It makes no sense for eBay to remove a listing for an unrelated violation when it had a legitimate reason to remove it. So eBay turned this into a fiasco.

[lacemaker3]

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@ottomannumis wrote:
Authentication its not required by eBay when you list a Banknote.
I just did end my other listing, but why should I pay $45+insurance+shipping fee to get authenticated???
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The policy for collectible currency is that anything valued over $1,000 must be graded, or it can't be listed. SInce the face value in this case is $1,000, the collectible value is obviously over the limit. The limit applies to the total value all of your ungraded currency listings taken together.

So if you want to list this banknote on eBay, it must be graded by a company on the list of acceptible companies, as in the link below.

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/prohibited-restricted-items/stamps-currency-coins-policy?id=4337

[lacemaker3]

@fashunu4eeuh, isn't having the banknote graded supposed to ensure that it has been verified not to be counterfeit? If so, then I think having the note graded would address both concerns with the listing.

In addition to not meeting the grading requirement, I wondered if the poor alignment between the letters and the numbers in the serial number on the right side might have been a red flag for a possible replica/counterfeit bill. I'm not an expert on identifying counterfeit bills, but most of the other $1,000 1936 series bills I compared it to had better alignment.

[reallynicestamps]

@inhawaii 

There are hundreds of listings for $2 bills on ebay without any authentication. Why is this any different?

Because eBay is not asking for authentication.

eBay is asking for grading.

Authentication is a professional process, usually involving a fee for a certificate.

Grading is a description of the quality of the item.

The seller is required to give a grade in Item Specifics.

The seller is allowed to list the authentication organization or to say that the item is not certified/authenticated,

I just accepted an offer 25% below asking, because the item was not certified. The stamps were already at about half catalogue.  The buyer will send them off for certification either for his collection/exhibit or for resale.  That is the value of a certificate.

[lacemaker3]

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@inhawaii wrote:

There are hundreds of listings for $2 bills on ebay without any authentication. Why is this any different?

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Because sellers are not allowed to list more than $1,000 total in ungraded banknotes. 

A seller would have to list 500 ungraded $2 bills to exceed the limit, but a single $1,000 US banknote has a collectible value of several thousand dollars.

[fashunu4eeuh]

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@lacemaker3 wrote:

@fashunu4eeuh, isn't having the banknote graded supposed to ensure that it has been verified not to be counterfeit? If so, then I think having the note graded would address both concerns with the listing.

In addition to not meeting the grading requirement, I wondered if the poor alignment between the letters and the numbers in the serial number on the right side might have been a red flag for a possible replica/counterfeit bill. I'm not an expert on identifying counterfeit bills, but most of the other $1,000 1936 series bills I compared it to had better alignment.

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Hi @lacemaker3 Well, yes and no. Grading verifies the authenticity of the bill. However, counterfeiters will also fake the authorized certificates. Grading companies recommend using reputable dealers for an added layer of protection against bogus currency. 

As for the other, have no experience with paper currency  when it comes to evaluating authenticity. I give the seller the benefit of the doubt that what he says is true. Your detailed observations seem correct. It would be interesting to know how eBay determined this bill to be a replica. Did they flag it or was it brought to their attention?

[slippinjimmy]

It would be interesting to know how eBay determined this bill to be a replica.

They didn't! Look upthread for the currency policy, there is a maximum amount sellers are allowed to list ( $1000). Presuming the OP started this listing with a price exceeding $1000 they were in violation of the policy.

The policy in not restricted to a single listing so even if the price was $999 if they also had another currency item listed they would be over the $1000 restriction amount.

[lacemaker3]

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@fashunu4eeuh wrote:

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@lacemaker3 wrote:

@fashunu4eeuh, isn't having the banknote graded supposed to ensure that it has been verified not to be counterfeit? If so, then I think having the note graded would address both concerns with the listing.

In addition to not meeting the grading requirement, I wondered if the poor alignment between the letters and the numbers in the serial number on the right side might have been a red flag for a possible replica/counterfeit bill. I'm not an expert on identifying counterfeit bills, but most of the other $1,000 1936 series bills I compared it to had better alignment.

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Hi @lacemaker3 Well, yes and no. Grading verifies the authenticity of the bill. However, counterfeiters will also fake the authorized certificates. Grading companies recommend using reputable dealers for an added layer of protection against bogus currency. 

As for the other, have no experience with paper currency  when it comes to evaluating authenticity. I give the seller the benefit of the doubt that what he says is true. Your detailed observations seem correct. It would be interesting to know how eBay determined this bill to be a replica. Did they flag it or was it brought to their attention?

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I really don't know how eBay polices listings in this category (or any other). And I don't think they will ever tell us, because if they did it would make it too easy for scammers to get around them. I also give the benefit of the doubt, but since the reason given for ending was "replica/counterfeit" policy, I thought it was worthwhile pointing out that there may have been discrepancies, although I'm not an expert and I can't know for sure.

I suppose that if there are two or more reasons for ending a listing, eBay just has to pick one of the reasons when they send the form letter. Maybe in this case, they had concerns related to both policies, and just picked one. 

I think the info you first posted about the ungraded currency policy is the most useful. Getting the bill graded should alleviate both areas of concern, and for something in this price range, it would be worth it if the bank note is genuine.

[lacemaker3]

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@slippinjimmy wrote:

It would be interesting to know how eBay determined this bill to be a replica.

They didn't! Look upthread for the currency policy, there is a maximum amount sellers are allowed to list ( $1000). Presuming the OP started this listing with a price exceeding $1000 they were in violation of the policy.

The policy in not restricted to a single listing so even if the price was $999 if they also had another currency item listed they would be over the $1000 restriction amount.

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Yes, that has been covered, but in this case, the reason given for ending the listing was the replica/counterfeit policy, not the ungraded-currency policy you mentioned (which was first posted by the member you responded to).

The ungraded-currency policy violation is clear, but I don't know about the replica/counterfeit policy (not an expert). I'm speculating that, if two or more policies are violated, eBay may just pick one of them when they end the listing.

[inhawaii]

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@reallynicestamps wrote:

@inhawaii 

There are hundreds of listings for $2 bills on ebay without any authentication. Why is this any different?

Because eBay is not asking for authentication.

eBay is asking for grading.

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Ok, there are hundreds of listings for $2 bills on ebay without any GRADING.

Why is that any different?