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Possible Feedback Extortion.. What to do?

I received the following message from a buyer:

 

"I am very disappointed. Please see the attached photos. This quality is unacceptable. However, I will wait to leave feedback until I hear from you I am giving you a chance to make this right. What will you do to remedy this?"

 

I am debating on what the best course of action is here. Seems to me that the buyer either wants the item for free or at a discount. I did take a glance at their feedback history to confirm my suspicions. Normally I would just tell the buyer to return for refund. However, I don't think the buyer is interested in returning the item. Plus, I am almost certain that they will open a SNAD case and I will have to pay return shipping + take a hit in my metrics (is this correct?). I am really tempted to ask the buyer what they want. If they openly ask for a discount, I can use that to have the feedback removed. So what would you do in this situation? And thanks in advance for the help! 🙂

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@cali_girl3 wrote:
Are you sure? I never fight returns or open cases as I know they are losing battles. However, I was told that returns where items marked as not as described/defective DO affect your metrics.

Yes 1 return will show up in your metrics, doesn't really matter if it's an INR, a SNAD or a remorse return.

 

Thing is, one return doesn't have any actual effect on your status whatsoever.

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Not feedback extortion. According to ebay, they have to specifically say "If you don't do (whatever) then i will leave you negative feedback. 

Move On Up - Curtis Mayfield
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One SNAD complaint is not going to hurt your metrics, even though it will sit there and make you annoyed every time you see it.  I believe it takes 10 of them before they count for anything. 

 

If you allow them to scam you - and this is worded exactly like scammers do - then you will be unhappy with yourself for a long time.  Send the "Sorry you are unhappy with your purchase.  Please return the item for a full refund.  Open a return in the resolution center for a prepaid postage return label". 

 

DO NOT say anything else.  DO NOT argue with them.  DO NOT negotiate with them.  Those only give them excuses to strengthen their case while still not committing to anything that would imply a feedback threat (in eBay's eyes). 

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@inhawaii wrote:

Not feedback extortion. According to ebay, they have to specifically say "If you don't do (whatever) then i will leave you negative feedback. 


I have to agree.  Veiled threats don't usually get eBay to consider them.

"It is an intelligent man that is aware of his own ignorance."
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yes If you are TRS and offer 30 days return policy, if he return the same item then you seller no need to deduct 50% , but if he file false snad example he say he didn't like the item, but when you receive the item and item is open and used then you may deduct up to 50% but before you deduct always report buyer so you can be protected against this fraud buyer who file false snad. seller must write clearly in every listing in return policy, that item must be return in original condition.
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I recently had a customer return a open bag of candy for "doesn't match description or photos".

 

Keep in mind that this is  mass-produced bag of candy in it's original retail packaging. I've sold hundreds of these. My supplier sold thousands. 

 

So, technically they can open and eat the entire bag of candy, then return it for a 50% refund?

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you welcome, here are the answer as per best of my knowledge.

1: buyer open return and say not as describe will be taken against your seller service metrics, if you want not taking against your seller service metrics then you have to report the buyer if he file false snad or return you something else.
2 : if buyer file false snad, and leave you negative feedback, and you report it and then you call ebay yes that feedback could be remove it will not put any defect on customer account, but they will remove your feedback as courtesy but they will remove it with another reason that is consider something buyer defect so it can be removed.
3 : you can call helpline, if you are TRS may be you will get invitation from concierge department which is special dedicate customer service which is much better then standard customer service.if you have standard customer service then you should explain them situation, always try call them after you try with the buyer, if buyer do not agree to return the product and ask for money that means buyer is violating policy by not following process and there is you can be protected.
4 : if you are TRS you have to offer 30 days returns , not a matter free returns or not or what handling time, if you offer 30 days return policy, buyer pay return shipping, and you receive something else used or open product packing , you can deduct up to 50% but make sure you must report buyer before you deduct amount so ebay knows why you deducted.
5 : if you are in standard customer service then try solve with buyer first, because ebay like see if you try work out with buyer if buyer do not want resolution then its buyer problem, you can send him feedback revision request if you are so much careful about feedback, hemight can refuse or can revise from negative or neutral to positive. he cannot revise from neutral to negative, negative can be revise to neutral or to positive and neutral can be only revise to positive, it cannot be reverse.

i would suggest you to offer 30 days return policy at the end of day, after you report you will be protected from negative and from seller service metrics if you are TRS. if you will not offer returns buyer can still return the product by not as describe case and that will only hurt you in term of seller service metrics and in negative feedback and you will not be protected.

i hope one day you get invitation from concierge and then there you will be little extra taking care off, i do not know how many listings you have, but remember one thing you have to try with your customers to make them happy if they deserve and they are right. but for scammers you must report to ebay all the time because if you let scammer scam you next time he will do this to some other sellers.
you should also set message in your listing, etc ( Thank you for your purchase, if youhave any concern about your purchase , please do not open any return but give us chance to make ti right for you by contacting us on ebay before leaving any neutral or negative feedback ) something like this. always send packing list with your packages.
i wish you good luck for your business on ebay 🙂
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i remember your that thread of candy, if you they return you empty box, or something, you should reach to fraud and safety department and you will be protected, ebay will not take your funds but will might give courtesy to that buyer as refund from ebay but that buyer might could be on monitoring, i have face this situation twice and i was protected by ebay, and later i checked after i reported that buyer ebay might found that buyer was envolved doing same to other sellers, so his account was closed by ebay though he was very potential buyers from 15 years. as sellers we have to report and reach exact department. its always not a case we win from scammer, but its fight for principle what you have to, being myself as seller i prefer to take loss of return then leaving item with scammer.but he return me empty box like i had case last week i was protected after i reach to fraud and safety department of ebay.
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One answer-I am so sorry you are not happy with the item, please return it for a full refund.

 

No debate, no guessing.

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no my friend that is not true, if buyer is abusive to seller even there seller will be protected, if buyer shows his intention by threat you indirectly there seller will be protected, but you have to use the word " that buyer is threatening me indirectly" 🙂 you have to explain it to ebay that threatening is not allow on ebay and this buyer is doing same thing by asking money or replacement without returning etc etc whatever is case and its violation of policy and if this is case how i can do business here and i am very frustrated from this situation. i have been in standard customer service and i call them whole one year every day then i was invited to concierge there i got some relief in term of protections for sellers. i hope ebay expand concierge customer service to all good sellers.
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i see on your listing you have one negative and that buyer seems scammer who has only one transaction i think you should call ebay and try to get it remove , this buyers seems fake.
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@cali_girl3 wrote:

If they openly ask for a discount, I can use that to have the feedback removed. 


They have already extorted you. No need to bend.

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@myboardid wrote:

One SNAD complaint is not going to hurt your metrics, even though it will sit there and make you annoyed every time you see it.  I believe it takes 10 of them before they count for anything.  


I see. I have never had a SNAD opened before but I have had returns in the past (buyer's remorse) and I see that eBay DOES keep track of those which had me worried. Do you know if it's 10 total for the life of the account or just 10 per year?

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@monster-deals wrote:

@cali_girl3 wrote:

If they openly ask for a discount, I can use that to have the feedback removed. 


They have already extorted you. No need to bend.


I'm not trying to bend. I just want to make sure that I am covered if the buyer leaves a negative. Since the buyer left a vague message, eBay may not look at it as feedback extortion. 

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10 a year, don't worry. 

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