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04-14-2023 08:48 PM
Hello,
I sold a calculator from 1997 sealed in its package and marked the condition "New" because it's unused.
Because it's untested I described it "sold as is", with pictures of the long ago leaked batteries.
It was bought, and now the buyer wants a refund because the batteries damaged the owner's manual.
Am I wrong because I marked it "New" or safe because I described it "as is"? I did not accept returns on this.
Please and thank you!
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04-14-2023 09:04 PM - edited 04-14-2023 09:07 PM
Should not have listed as new.
Item condition by category:
How to handle a return request as a seller:
https://www.ebay.com/help/selling/managing-returns-refunds/handle-return-request-seller?id=4115
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04-14-2023 09:04 PM
New means IT WORKS. Do you buy new items and keep them if they don't work?
As is is a DIFFERENT condition and you will need to refund the buyer when they return the item.
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04-14-2023 09:33 PM
I have a client with a similar issue - they buy out closed businesses, wall-to-wall. In the process, they acquired a large number of prepaid cellphones, new in sealed packages, but because they hadn't been 'register scanned', the carriers would not allow them to connect to the network. They were not reported lost or stolen, they just hadn't been scanned at a checkout counter.
They have been successfully selling them for a couple of years now, stating the Condition as "As-Is/For Parts", and then explaining in the title and description that these are retail bankruptcy phones (the most common reason my client buys out a business), that they are new in package, and that they may not connect to the carrier network.
To date, over 100 phones sold and only two customers were allowed by eBay to return their "as-is/for parts" phones for a refund because they were "only good for parts". I know - it's stupid to allow a buyer to return a product listed as being "for parts" because it's only good for parts, but that's eBay. I told them to appeal both returns, which they did. One was reversed, the other let stand.
So we reviewed their template and all listings - any mention of "new" was removed and replaced with "in retail package". We updated their title template, the description template, and reviewed everything twice, then one more time for good measure. Since then, no more returns.
-Bob.
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04-14-2023 09:34 PM
Thanks for the response, though I still don't understand. Should I have marked it "For Parts" even though it had never been opened?
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04-14-2023 09:38 PM
There is a term New Old Stock, which can be useful, but I have to be with the buyer on this.
Since you knew about the leaked batteries, you should not have called it New. Or even NOS.
You can send a shipping label, get the calculator back, refund the buyer, rewrite the listing, relist and find a buyer who understands the actual condition of the machine.
You can have a No Returns policy, but you cannot have a No Refunds policy.
Get it back and resell it.
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04-14-2023 09:41 PM
Yes.
Without a network it won't operate.
It can only be used - at least by the average technodolt - for parts to repair connected phones.
As @rosachs posted:
So we reviewed their template and all listings - any mention of "new" was removed and replaced with "in retail package". We updated their title template, the description template, and reviewed everything twice, then one more time for good measure.
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04-14-2023 10:35 PM
@3dblack wrote:Thanks for the response, though I still don't understand. Should I have marked it "For Parts" even though it had never been opened?
"As-Is/For Parts" is a catch-all Condition for items that may not be working, may be missing parts, may have damage, may required technical repairs for proper operation... your calculator was new, but the corrosion in the battery compartment may have rendered it inoperative. If it doesn't work, the only Condition that applies is "As-Is/For Parts".
There is an extensive list of Conditions available by Category - I keep a copy pinned to the wall in my office and refer the boss to them when he wants something listed as "New" that is actually something else, usually "New Other" due to missing box.
-Bob.
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04-14-2023 10:38 PM
@reallynicestamps wrote:Yes.
Without a network it won't operate.
It can only be used - at least by the average technodolt - for parts to repair connected phones.
As @rosachs posted:
So we reviewed their template and all listings - any mention of "new" was removed and replaced with "in retail package". We updated their title template, the description template, and reviewed everything twice, then one more time for good measure.
I'm almost certain they are being used for parts for repairs. For the unit price they are being sold at, just using the display to replace a cracked one could return 5x what they spent for that one phone. Well, without the forwarder charges -- I have no idea how expensive that is, but I'm assuming it's not as cheap as USPS domestically.
-Bob.
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04-14-2023 10:41 PM
If you list something as new it has to be unopened and undamaged. That means all the contents including manuals are not damaged. You should have listed for parts or not working as battery acid leaking out years ago could have done many things. You should have mentioned it's new and unopened but not guaranteed to work.
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04-14-2023 10:46 PM
You need to refund it plain and simple. You can't send a buyer a destroyed product. You need to describe the condition of that product, and the give them that product in said condition.
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04-14-2023 11:08 PM
”Am I wrong because I marked it "New" or safe because I described it "as is"? I did not accept returns on this.
Please and thank you!”
Yes, you marked it wrong, because although it may have been unused, it was not usable, and “New” means “Working”.
Marking any item “as is” will not protect you from a return. That is because eBay has an ironclad Money Back Guarantee for buyers. All a buyer has to do to force a return from a recalcitrant seller is invoke the Money Back Guarantee. Because of this, a No Return policy can be easily revoked. Fortunately, you came here first so this likely won’t happen.
In my opinion, it is better to have a buyer-friendly return policy than to have an unhappy but determined buyer open a Not As Described case to force the issue.
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04-14-2023 11:14 PM
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04-14-2023 11:44 PM
Gotcha, thanks everyone.
Just to clarify, the calculator was not damaged. The batteries were packaged away from it and only damaged the user manual. The condition was described and the batteries were clearly pictured.
The only options I see are: New, New - Open Box, Used, and For Parts or Not Working, and it doesn't seem to fit any of these. But it seems "New" wasn't it, heh.
Alright, refund it is. Thanks again.
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04-15-2023 01:56 AM
Perhaps letting potential buyers know about the leaking batteries and that the item doesn't work or is untested might have been helpful. SMH
