New eBay Shipping Label layout

[mr_lincoln]

Just got dumped in to the new shipping label layout page ... so, can we opt out of this or are we stuck with this change too ... its not all on one screen for display so it means more scrolling ...

Page designs with more scrolling seems to be a repeating theme ... is this something they're teaching in IT Design school perhaps?

[mr_lincoln]

@buyselljack2016, @nobody*s_perfect  So, with your discussion about groups of first 3 digit codes for destinations, does that mean the zone map below is correct or not for US shipping zones?

[buyselljack2016]

That zone map looks like a typical zone map, and I would see no reason that it would not be correct.

My statement is that when shiping you can not go by just 1 first three digit Zip Code and say that a different first three digit Zip Code is in a different Zone for the origin zone.  There are groups of three digit Zips in the same zone otherwise there would be hundreds of zones instead of just 9.

[nobody*s_perfect]

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@mr_lincoln wrote: ... So, with your discussion about groups of first 3 digit codes for destinations, does that mean the zone map below is correct or not for US shipping zones?

  That's the Zone map for a specific 3-digit location somewhere in Michigan (or maybe Ohio).  Everybody lives in their own Zone 1. Here's the map for my ZIP Code in Boston:

[nobody*s_perfect]

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@buyselljack2016 wrote:

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 ... you can not go by just 1 first three digit Zip Code and say that a different first three digit Zip Code is in a different Zone for the origin zone. ...

Of course not. But the point is that adjacent 3-digit areas could be in different Zones relative to some other 3-digit aera. A package that is Zone 3 for ZIP Codes in XX3 could be Zone 2 or Zone 4 for ZIP Codes in XX4. The boundaries change.  

[penguins_dont_fly]

Where are you guys getting the map? I only get the chart on USPS or a greyscale Priority Mail 1-3 day map (which is interesting ..looks like urban camo LOL)

[nobody*s_perfect]

That's from Endicia:

http://apps.endicia.com/apps/zonemap

[mr_lincoln]

@penguins_dont_fly  You read my mind and thanks @nobody*s_perfect for the map link.

[buyselljack2016]

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@nobody*s_perfect wrote:

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@buyselljack2016 wrote:

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 ... you can not go by just 1 first three digit Zip Code and say that a different first three digit Zip Code is in a different Zone for the origin zone. ...

Of course not. But the point is that adjacent 3-digit areas could be in different Zones relative to some other 3-digit aera. A package that is Zone 3 for ZIP Codes in XX3 could be Zone 2 or Zone 4 for ZIP Codes in XX4. The boundaries change.  

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We are somewhat in agreement.  Not trying to argue/fight:) It is just that your statement in post 57 is too vague, and that was what I was responding to.

"The only way to be sure that the postage will be the same from two PO's is if the first 3 digits of their ZIP Codes are the same"

The first 3 digits can be different, and result in the same costs.  "From" zones, are not broken down that far to be 3 digit specific.  Several "from zips" are included in a rate just as many  "to zips" are grouped together.

Let me get more speciific. Zip 132, 133, 134, 135 starting Zone spread out over a 100, or more mile radius, unless I am in a complete fog, are all same starting Zone, and all destination Zips will be the same zone from those origin zips, so the first three can make a diference, but often don't. (that statement seems to be supported by the zone maps that have been posted) (In fact Zips 130-139 are in the same NDC, and would result in the same rates.

 To support my statement. I worked at a place with a 134 Zip. Driving 11.2 miles from where I worked at a 134, to a 133 location, or driving 102 miles to a 133 zip, or driving 118 miles to a 132 zip would result in the same shipping costs, as the from-to rates would be the same.

Now, to support your statement (partially), yes a few miles can make a difference. ........... if I drove 12.8 miles the other way from the original 134 I would be in a 128 location which changed "some" destination zone costs.

And.................................  all this goes back to my posting that the "ship from", if different, should still be a label option, as it can make a difference to the sender/recipient  cost wise.

[mr_lincoln]

@buyselljack2016  wrote: " ... And.................................  all this goes back to my posting that the "ship from", if different, should still be a label option, as it can make a difference to the sender/recipient  cost wise."

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I read your entire post btw, great info and helps with understanding some of the zip location situations.  As to the feature to change the origin zip on a shipment ... not sure the reason for that other then with eBay's desire to have Sellers divulge the shipping origin of drop shipped or items shipping from a warehouse far away. I assume that means every item could "theoretically" have a diffeent zip code for its point of origin.

We're within a few miles of over 6 Post Offices, most of which have different zips but are all the same first 3 digits.  We use them all depending on what day something is shipped and which direrection we're heading.  Last year I recall a thread that said if one ships TOO far from their originating zip they can get a shipping defect ... the question came about for some folks who were going on a trip out of their area but wanted to take some tiems along to ship while away ... at the time, they were advised not to do that because of the potential shipping defect.  Whether that's true or not is another thing ... anyway, based on your explanation I do understand now that a few miles can change the zone.

[nobody*s_perfect]

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@mr_lincoln wrote:

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 ....  As to the feature to change the origin zip on a shipment ... not sure the reason for that other then with eBay's desire to have Sellers divulge the shipping origin ....

It's a USPS requirement to ensure that correct postage has been paid.  

Most categories of mail can be dropped off at any PO, provided that the postage paid is correct. If the receiving PO doesn't have the same first 3 digits, then having the corrected "Shipping from" ZIP Code can easily show that the calculated postage for that label is correct.  Otherwise you have to either look it up or know which area ZIP Codes have the same zone rates as explained by buyselljack, although nowadays most of that figuring will be done by the new Automated Package Verification system.

I routinely drop off packages when I visit my daughter who lives 100 miles west of me because the postage is usually cheaper. I need to be able to change the "Shipping from" ZIP Code in order to secure that lower postage cost.

From the DMM : 

4.6.3 Deposit of Mail

Mailers must deposit or enter mailpieces with metered or PC Postage indicia according to the following conditions.

1. Mailers may deposit Priority Mail Express, Flat Rate Priority Mail, Priority Mail weighing one pound or less, single-piece price First-Class Mail, First-Class Package Service — Retail, single-piece price Media Mail, and single-piece price Library Mail items with a metered or PC Postage indicia at any postal facility, preferably within the area of the customer‘s local Post Office. Mailers may also deposit zone-priced Priority Mail pieces at any postal facility, provided the postage affixed to each mailpiece is calculated to include the amount due as specified in 4.3.1, taking into account the weight, shape, and the zone from the ZIP Code of the office where the mailpiece is deposited to the ZIP Code of the destination address."

https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/604.htm#ep1080496

[buyselljack2016]

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@mr_lincoln wrote:

@buyselljack2016  wrote: " ... And.................................  all this goes back to my posting that the "ship from", if different, should still be a label option, as it can make a difference to the sender/recipient  cost wise."

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I read your entire post btw, great info and helps with understanding some of the zip location situations.  As to the feature to change the origin zip on a shipment ... not sure the reason for that other then with eBay's desire to have Sellers divulge the shipping origin of drop shipped or items shipping from a warehouse far away. I assume that means every item could "theoretically" have a diffeent zip code for its point of origin.

We're within a few miles of over 6 Post Offices, most of which have different zips but are all the same first 3 digits.  We use them all depending on what day something is shipped and which direrection we're heading.  Last year I recall a thread that said if one ships TOO far from their originating zip they can get a shipping defect ... the question came about for some folks who were going on a trip out of their area but wanted to take some tiems along to ship while away ... at the time, they were advised not to do that because of the potential shipping defect.  Whether that's true or not is another thing ... anyway, based on your explanation I do understand now that a few miles can change the zone.

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I think that you are onto it, that it is probably the eBay solution to "item location", but it may just be another misguided eBay change that shoots the arrow at the target, and misses.

Again, all will be punished for the sins (as eBay sees it) of the few. (ever increasing with dropship, and international)

But with that being said it does not make sense.

When creating a listing there is a line for "item location", and the option to change that for each listing. 

It is not logical that the shipping label would have no option for "shipping from a different zip" other than the "return address" of the sender. It is just like walking in, and purchasing retail postage at the counter.  Ship from is not your return address. It is where you placed you money.

It is another case of the ones thinking up the solutions do not actually have "hands on" experience with the things that they are trying to change.  Just more throwing it against the wall to see if it sticks.

And to add to my previous info about ship from 3 digit zips.  There are 929 different 1st three digit zips. It would be a nightmare to have different rates for 929.  Some must be, and are,............... grouped.

Also like you, as I said before, I ship from different Zips.

Sometimes because I am going somewhere, passing an office(not mine) , and give the carrier a break from the hopefully steady outgoing volume. 

Sometimes because I have a larger item going that will exceed the protection of my 36" deep ancillary overflow shipping location in inclement weather.  In those instances I ship from a different/closer office. 10 mile trip vs. 24 mile.

Sometimes going somewhere after the carrier has already picked up for the day.

Again that brings us to the point of....................   who gets the credit work wise/financially wise.   The label gets paid for "online" with the zip of the ship from shown. Who gets the credit moneywise?  Do I care? Not really, but some offices do seem to have an issue with it.

The offices where I drop have given me no grief about it.  Most do not have a Postmaster, and could not possibly care less about what is on the label. (or what is in the package) The offices that they work at have been trimmed to bare bones, and are only still open as an alternative to closing them 6-7 years back.  Many, many offices do not run in the black. The small ones are carried by the bigger/high volume offices.    The flip side is that we know there are ofices that give customers grief about the "ship from".  Is it justified? Don't know the answer.

[mr_lincoln]

@buyselljack2016  The way I see it is I ship with USPS and they have many locations nearby so at the end of the day who cares who gets the package, its all the same company.  If they their own internal metrics that grade each location on same zip volume that's their problem because it tells me they don't know their own market ... meaning, like you, me and a host of other people who live near multiple post office locations its a matter of convenience for their customers as to where they ship from.  If we lived in say Rock River, WY - population between 230 - 250 there's only one Post Office and the next one may be 30 - 50 miles away.

[luvs-shelley]

I have had the same problem.. It's one more step, but if you scroll down on the left of the page and click on Shipping Labels you can hit reprint.
I must admit that I am technically challenged, so the old classic format was perfect for me. As with several of their recent changes, logic is not an ingredient!

[antiqueslady30]

I accually have not issues using the new layout. When I first seen it I was baffeled but now it is a snap to use. And as far as printing everything on one page i dont do it. I use self stick labels. Not ot hard to print out the packing slip on another sheet of paper.

THE GRASS IS NOT ALWWAYS GREEN ON THE OTHER SIDE!!!

[alfredn215]

This was just another change that was totally unecessary, as the original was functional the way it was. Create more work for sellers when printing labels with the new format. They just don't get it do they? Every day it's something else. STOP the madness already!