08-18-2018 03:38 PM
I received a negative feedback from a buyer on a book sold. The buyer had a question about defects, I replied the book had the "normal wear and tear". I did submit a photo with my returned reply showing the lower pages were bent. In the feedback, the buyer wrote "normal wear and tear does not include lower-right corner bent-up pages".
Now I have a negative feedback and "my selling privileges are limited to one item until my overall feedback is greater than 0". This is only the second item I have sold.
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08-19-2018 05:15 AM
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:I saw it just fine and one so so picture in the listing and one in the messages did not/does not even show all the damage or defects and in any case they were required to be in the listing and the item accurately described and that includes describing the damage.
The information provided by the seller to indicate the damage was entirely disclosed and the condition of the book didn't change from the moment they sent the additional picture until the moment the buyer got the book.
The buyer had all the information needed to determine the condition of the book they just chose not to take it into account.
Buyer simply was a PITA, nothing more & nothing less...absolute non-sense feedback and an example of the worst kind of buyer there is: one that doesn't look, one that doesn't read and one that gives negative feedbacks for their own mistakes.
Seller in the future certainly should bring their game up...though. That will help mitigate terrible buyers.
08-19-2018 07:58 AM
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@robot-hands wrote:Take the advice of using a scanner.
You absolutely do not need 12 pictures of a $2 book.
One will suffice but next time use the book category, and select the proper condition from the drop down.
No one should be working this hard for $2
The value of the item is irrelevant. And not doing what is needed or required is opening OP up for constant disputes and bad FB and as a new seller with one bad FB already they cannot afford to ignore what is required/needed and risk unnecessary suspension.
They are already at risk because they did not have everything they needed in the listing...and they have the FB and an additional restriction to prove it. They do not need more bad FB or disputes.
The value of the item is as relevant as it`s condition. Condition is how we determine an items value in the collecting world. The lower the condition, the lower the value. The op described this item with normal wear and tear & provided 2 pics. to the buyer. The picture I saw clearly shows upper and lower corners of the book to be not-flat. So what is normal wear and tear for a 35 year old item??
While I agree that a few more , higher quality pics of the item and a better decription would have helped, it would have also helped to raise the price of the item. Sometimes you just get what you pay for. I looked up this book, in question, here on ebay. I searched price/shipping lowest. What do I find? A very established seller with over a million feedbacks on ebay. NO picture and no real description of the item, free shipping $7.55. Do you think it`s possible new sellers take their cues from these mega sellers?
08-19-2018 11:01 AM - edited 08-19-2018 11:03 AM
@hillbillymedia wrote:
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@robot-hands wrote:Take the advice of using a scanner.
You absolutely do not need 12 pictures of a $2 book.
One will suffice but next time use the book category, and select the proper condition from the drop down.
No one should be working this hard for $2
The value of the item is irrelevant. And not doing what is needed or required is opening OP up for constant disputes and bad FB and as a new seller with one bad FB already they cannot afford to ignore what is required/needed and risk unnecessary suspension.
They are already at risk because they did not have everything they needed in the listing...and they have the FB and an additional restriction to prove it. They do not need more bad FB or disputes.The value of the item is as relevant as it`s condition. Condition is how we determine an items value in the collecting world. The lower the condition, the lower the value. The op described this item with normal wear and tear & provided 2 pics. to the buyer. The picture I saw clearly shows upper and lower corners of the book to be not-flat. So what is normal wear and tear for a 35 year old item??
While I agree that a few more , higher quality pics of the item and a better decription would have helped, it would have also helped to raise the price of the item. Sometimes you just get what you pay for. I looked up this book, in question, here on ebay. I searched price/shipping lowest. What do I find? A very established seller with over a million feedbacks on ebay. NO picture and no real description of the item, free shipping $7.55. Do you think it`s possible new sellers take their cues from these mega sellers?
Actually sellers can list for any amount they want....they do not have to research anything or determine anything based on anything.
And since an acutal decription of damage and defects is required and not merely a statement of normal wear and tear being present. And the policies apply to all listing regardless of the item value or listed price.
And BTW we are not supposed to do things just because a few other sellers are doing them, and as in your example doing them in violation of policies...we are required to follow ebay policies instead and that is what we agree to do..
08-19-2018 11:10 AM
@robot-hands wrote:
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:I saw it just fine and one so so picture in the listing and one in the messages did not/does not even show all the damage or defects and in any case they were required to be in the listing and the item accurately described and that includes describing the damage.
The information provided by the seller to indicate the damage was entirely disclosed and the condition of the book didn't change from the moment they sent the additional picture until the moment the buyer got the book.
The buyer had all the information needed to determine the condition of the book they just chose not to take it into account.
Buyer simply was a PITA, nothing more & nothing less...absolute non-sense feedback and an example of the worst kind of buyer there is: one that doesn't look, one that doesn't read and one that gives negative feedbacks for their own mistakes.
Seller in the future certainly should bring their game up...though. That will help mitigate terrible buyers.
08-19-2018 11:13 AM
@hillbillymedia wrote:
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@robot-hands wrote:Take the advice of using a scanner.
You absolutely do not need 12 pictures of a $2 book.
One will suffice but next time use the book category, and select the proper condition from the drop down.
No one should be working this hard for $2
The value of the item is irrelevant. And not doing what is needed or required is opening OP up for constant disputes and bad FB and as a new seller with one bad FB already they cannot afford to ignore what is required/needed and risk unnecessary suspension.
They are already at risk because they did not have everything they needed in the listing...and they have the FB and an additional restriction to prove it. They do not need more bad FB or disputes.The value of the item is as relevant as it`s condition. Condition is how we determine an items value in the collecting world. The lower the condition, the lower the value. The op described this item with normal wear and tear & provided 2 pics. to the buyer. The picture I saw clearly shows upper and lower corners of the book to be not-flat. So what is normal wear and tear for a 35 year old item??
While I agree that a few more , higher quality pics of the item and a better decription would have helped, it would have also helped to raise the price of the item. Sometimes you just get what you pay for. I looked up this book, in question, here on ebay. I searched price/shipping lowest. What do I find? A very established seller with over a million feedbacks on ebay. NO picture and no real description of the item, free shipping $7.55. Do you think it`s possible new sellers take their cues from these mega sellers?
OH and BTW you are not allowed to manipulate, interfere etc the pricing of other sellers either.....that too would be a violation of policy.
Sellers must independanlty price their items.....that means no one can tell them how they should price or interfere with how they price and they are not required to price the same as anyone else or in line with anyone else.
08-19-2018 12:29 PM
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures
"...Sellers must independanlty price their items.....that means no one can tell them how they should price...".
You are kidding me, right?
08-19-2018 12:32 PM
@abfabvintage wrote:@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures
"...Sellers must independanlty price their items.....that means no one can tell them how they should price...".
You are kidding me, right?
No...it is in the user agreement and the policy pages...not anything new.
08-19-2018 12:37 PM
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures
Not sure you understood my message. Please, I am not within this thread as of 3:35pm EST. lol. Don't have time to view over 12+ pages once this is all over. lolol.
Hey, everyone, have a good Sunday!
08-19-2018 12:53 PM
Just a few additional concerns, some of which have been partially brought up by others on this thread:
(1) You had this item (a book of Duran Duran photographs from the 1983/1984 tour) listed as an auction item, and the only bid that you had received was for $2.00, plus $3.50 shipping. While I am unaware of a huge upsurge of interest in Duran Duran, in the future you may wish to use auction listings on eBay for only items which are very, very, very "hot" at this time, or for items which you may have received for free, or that have absolutely NO value to you. This book may have done better as a 30-day "Buy It Now" item. As it is, your profit (if any) was very likely painfully low (what with eBay's final value fees on auction items, plus PayPal's bite of the apple as well). In your case, the buyer's negative (and eBay's resulting punishment on your account) was simply adding insult to injury.
(2) You left the "Condition" box empty. For many buyers, that is an instant turn-off, as they may consider those who skip over that box as being either lazy, incompetent or uncaring. Since you are a newbie, we'll cut you some slack. The conditions which eBay supplies to books (as well as many other items), are "Brand New," "Like New," Very Good," "Good", and "Acceptable." And, before you decide what YOU believe the condition of an item to be, it is critical on eBay that a seller understand what eBay's bizarre grading system actually defines -- eBay is very clear about what each grade means (on eBay), even though most sellers of collectibles and antiquarian materials would seriously argue that eBay's grading system is absurd. So, before you fill in YOUR grade, make sure it matches the eBay grade. The main point, however, is to add SOMETHING in the "Condition" box -- don't leave it blank!
(3) Your description of "normal wear and tear" may have singular meaning to you, but may be entirely inadequate for somebody else -- the word "normal" is just too loosely subjective, and open to error (as well as to negative feedback). While some of my poorer items may have a description of "typical condition for a {fill in the blank} of the 1950s," I make an effort to tell the buyer exactly what I mean by "typical": "worn & chipped edges & corners; scratches, indentations, rub-wear & soiling; folds, tears, creases, browning, moisture stains, tape on spine, hole in front lower gutter; inked writing on front right inside cover; underlining, highlighting, and marginalia; etc." These are just a few general defects -- choose the ones that are appropriate -- and be specific about major defects. Had you measured the folds (and enumerated how many there actually were) perhaps the buyer would have cut you some slack.
(4) Which raises the issue of the buyer: did the buyer ask you about the condition while the auction was still in progress, or after the buyer had made the purchase? If you had sent the buyer the photo of the page folds BEFORE the buyer made the purchase, you MAY be able to have eBay remove the negative feedback, and also remove the eBay selling restrictions on your account, since you may have proof that you made the buyer AWARE of the folds BEFORE the purchase, but the buyer made the purchase ANYWAY. I've had this happen a few times; and, when I've contacted eBay, the Customer Service rep with whom I've talked has examined the email record, and has found that the buyer was aware of conditions BEFORE the purchase, and thus had NO cause to leave a negative -- and eBay removed the negative.
At the top of this screen is a "Help & Contact" icon. Click on that icon to get the phone number to appeal your case to eBay. Make your call BEFORE 10:00 AM Pacific Time, so that you can speak to a CS Rep in the United States (otherwise you'll be dealing with one of the CS reps in the Philippines, who are next to worthless). When you click into the "Help & Contact" screen, if you can't find a subject that matches your complaint, just click on ANY subject that will finally provide you with a phone number. Make the phone call, explain that the buyer gave you a negative for folded page corners AFTER you had sent the buyer a photo of the folded page corners, and make your case.
Good luck, and let us know what happens!
08-19-2018 01:13 PM
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@hillbillymedia wrote:
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@robot-hands wrote:Take the advice of using a scanner.
You absolutely do not need 12 pictures of a $2 book.
One will suffice but next time use the book category, and select the proper condition from the drop down.
No one should be working this hard for $2
The value of the item is irrelevant. And not doing what is needed or required is opening OP up for constant disputes and bad FB and as a new seller with one bad FB already they cannot afford to ignore what is required/needed and risk unnecessary suspension.
They are already at risk because they did not have everything they needed in the listing...and they have the FB and an additional restriction to prove it. They do not need more bad FB or disputes.The value of the item is as relevant as it`s condition. Condition is how we determine an items value in the collecting world. The lower the condition, the lower the value. The op described this item with normal wear and tear & provided 2 pics. to the buyer. The picture I saw clearly shows upper and lower corners of the book to be not-flat. So what is normal wear and tear for a 35 year old item??
While I agree that a few more , higher quality pics of the item and a better decription would have helped, it would have also helped to raise the price of the item. Sometimes you just get what you pay for. I looked up this book, in question, here on ebay. I searched price/shipping lowest. What do I find? A very established seller with over a million feedbacks on ebay. NO picture and no real description of the item, free shipping $7.55. Do you think it`s possible new sellers take their cues from these mega sellers?
Actually sellers can list for any amount they want....they do not have to research anything or determine anything based on anything.
And since an acutal decription of damage and defects is required and not merely a statement of normal wear and tear being present. And the policies apply to all listing regardless of the item value or listed price.
And BTW we are not supposed to do things just because a few other sellers are doing them, and as in your example doing them in violation of policies...we are required to follow ebay policies instead and that is what we agree to do..
I used ONE seller as an example that has over 3 million active listings with no actual picture of the item and a standard copy/paste of ebays definition of "good" condition. This one seller has well over 1 million feedbacks and has most likley made triple that in the way of sales. The seller in question is holding a 99.4% success rate.
I`ll ask you the question again but I`ll rephrase it.....as a new seller, would it be reasonable that if I wanted to sell an item I might compare what a successful seller (like my example) was charging and mimic their selling behavior?
It seems your interpetation of ebays policy would have had my example seller shut down long ago yet they have completed over 64,000 transactions this month alone. That`s a lot of missed opportunites for ebay to shut down a seller for breaking (your interpetation) of an ebay policy. I bet if I was to look I could find 1,000`s of these sellers.
08-19-2018 01:36 PM
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@tellmemama wrote:
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@ceeg_69 wrote:I received a negative feedback from a buyer on a book sold. The buyer had a question about defects, I replied the book had the "normal wear and tear". I did submit a photo with my returned reply showing the lower pages were bent. In the feedback, the buyer wrote "normal wear and tear does not include lower-right corner bent-up pages".
Now I have a negative feedback and "my selling privileges are limited to one item until my overall feedback is greater than 0". This is only the second item I have sold.
Your buyer asked about specific things..defects... and you gave them a very generic response detailing nothing.
The damage should have been included in the listing, with pictures as well as part of an accurate description. I can see where they would be upset.
You cannot take short cuts....it is not like buyers have the ability to pick items up and inspect them...you have to show and tell everything about your items.
Write descriptions like you have no pictures and take pictures like you have no description.
Also take some time to read up ebay, policies, how to's etc before listing anything else. At this stage you cannot afford any other mistakes as your selling privileges can be suspended.Perhaps you missed the part where the OP said he included a picture of the damage in response to the buyer's question? I bolded the statement in case you didn't see it. If that's the case, the buyer is a complete numpty.
OP, if this is true I would call eBay. You may be able to get the neg removed.
I saw it just fine and one so so picture in the listing and one in the messages did not/does not even show all the damage or defects and in any case they were required to be in the listing and the item accurately described and that includes describing the damage.
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-policies/selling-practices-policy?id=4346
Item description
The listing page is where buyers get most of their information about an item. Information in the listing helps buyers decide what to buy and know what to expect when they receive the item. It's important to make sure that the listing is only used to describe the item for sale and to communicate the terms of the sale in a professional way.
You're required to:
- Specify the condition of the item
- Describe any defects or flaws in the item – this helps avoid problems or buyer dissatisfaction
Unless you saw the pics the seller sent to the buyer it is your assumption that the pic sent in the email didn’t show the damage. You can’t say the pic sent in the message didn’t show damage when you’ve never seen said picture. Going by what the OP said the reason for the pic was to show that damage so based on that it should have in fact shown the damage. But I haven’t seen the pic either so I can’t say how well it showed it.
08-19-2018 09:47 PM - edited 08-19-2018 09:49 PM
@hillbillymedia wrote:
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@hillbillymedia wrote:
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@robot-hands wrote:Take the advice of using a scanner.
You absolutely do not need 12 pictures of a $2 book.
One will suffice but next time use the book category, and select the proper condition from the drop down.
No one should be working this hard for $2
The value of the item is irrelevant. And not doing what is needed or required is opening OP up for constant disputes and bad FB and as a new seller with one bad FB already they cannot afford to ignore what is required/needed and risk unnecessary suspension.
They are already at risk because they did not have everything they needed in the listing...and they have the FB and an additional restriction to prove it. They do not need more bad FB or disputes.The value of the item is as relevant as it`s condition. Condition is how we determine an items value in the collecting world. The lower the condition, the lower the value. The op described this item with normal wear and tear & provided 2 pics. to the buyer. The picture I saw clearly shows upper and lower corners of the book to be not-flat. So what is normal wear and tear for a 35 year old item??
While I agree that a few more , higher quality pics of the item and a better decription would have helped, it would have also helped to raise the price of the item. Sometimes you just get what you pay for. I looked up this book, in question, here on ebay. I searched price/shipping lowest. What do I find? A very established seller with over a million feedbacks on ebay. NO picture and no real description of the item, free shipping $7.55. Do you think it`s possible new sellers take their cues from these mega sellers?
Actually sellers can list for any amount they want....they do not have to research anything or determine anything based on anything.
And since an acutal decription of damage and defects is required and not merely a statement of normal wear and tear being present. And the policies apply to all listing regardless of the item value or listed price.
And BTW we are not supposed to do things just because a few other sellers are doing them, and as in your example doing them in violation of policies...we are required to follow ebay policies instead and that is what we agree to do..I used ONE seller as an example that has over 3 million active listings with no actual picture of the item and a standard copy/paste of ebays definition of "good" condition. This one seller has well over 1 million feedbacks and has most likley made triple that in the way of sales. The seller in question is holding a 99.4% success rate.
I`ll ask you the question again but I`ll rephrase it.....as a new seller, would it be reasonable that if I wanted to sell an item I might compare what a successful seller (like my example) was charging and mimic their selling behavior?
It seems your interpetation of ebays policy would have had my example seller shut down long ago yet they have completed over 64,000 transactions this month alone. That`s a lot of missed opportunites for ebay to shut down a seller for breaking (your interpetation) of an ebay policy. I bet if I was to look I could find 1,000`s of these sellers.
No under no circumstances do you follow the example of listings that are in violation of policies.....not to mention you as a new or old seller agree to follow policies. Nor are you supposed to advise another seller to violate policies. Lots of sellers have lost privledges, gotten suspended and even banned by copying what someone else was doing wrong and in violation of policies.
And it is not my interpretation of policies..that was that the policy clearly says...no interpretation needed.
And those sellers violating policies can all lose their privledges at anytime as well as get suspended from selling or banned. Just because they haven't been caught yet doesn't mean they won't get caught.
08-19-2018 09:52 PM - edited 08-19-2018 09:57 PM
@myangelandmyprincess wrote:
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@tellmemama wrote:
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@ceeg_69 wrote:I received a negative feedback from a buyer on a book sold. The buyer had a question about defects, I replied the book had the "normal wear and tear". I did submit a photo with my returned reply showing the lower pages were bent. In the feedback, the buyer wrote "normal wear and tear does not include lower-right corner bent-up pages".
Now I have a negative feedback and "my selling privileges are limited to one item until my overall feedback is greater than 0". This is only the second item I have sold.
Your buyer asked about specific things..defects... and you gave them a very generic response detailing nothing.
The damage should have been included in the listing, with pictures as well as part of an accurate description. I can see where they would be upset.
You cannot take short cuts....it is not like buyers have the ability to pick items up and inspect them...you have to show and tell everything about your items.
Write descriptions like you have no pictures and take pictures like you have no description.
Also take some time to read up ebay, policies, how to's etc before listing anything else. At this stage you cannot afford any other mistakes as your selling privileges can be suspended.Perhaps you missed the part where the OP said he included a picture of the damage in response to the buyer's question? I bolded the statement in case you didn't see it. If that's the case, the buyer is a complete numpty.
OP, if this is true I would call eBay. You may be able to get the neg removed.
I saw it just fine and one so so picture in the listing and one in the messages did not/does not even show all the damage or defects and in any case they were required to be in the listing and the item accurately described and that includes describing the damage.
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-policies/selling-practices-policy?id=4346
Item description
The listing page is where buyers get most of their information about an item. Information in the listing helps buyers decide what to buy and know what to expect when they receive the item. It's important to make sure that the listing is only used to describe the item for sale and to communicate the terms of the sale in a professional way.
You're required to:
- Specify the condition of the item
- Describe any defects or flaws in the item – this helps avoid problems or buyer dissatisfaction
Unless you saw the pics the seller sent to the buyer it is your assumption that the pic sent in the email didn’t show the damage. You can’t say the pic sent in the message didn’t show damage when you’ve never seen said picture. Going by what the OP said the reason for the pic was to show that damage so based on that it should have in fact shown the damage. But I haven’t seen the pic either so I can’t say how well it showed it.
No not really...one pic may show the bent corner on cover or a couple of the bent pages but not both and not all of it. Not possible to take a pic to show the outside corner damage and the pages inside too. For one the book is closed and the others it has to be opened to those pages. No need to see the pic as one pic would not be sufficent.
08-20-2018 04:03 AM
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:No need to see the pic as one pic would not be sufficent.
Only if you pretending to be obtuse.
08-20-2018 05:16 AM
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@hillbillymedia wrote:
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@hillbillymedia wrote:
@everything-from-trinkets-to-treasures wrote:
@robot-hands wrote:Take the advice of using a scanner.
You absolutely do not need 12 pictures of a $2 book.
One will suffice but next time use the book category, and select the proper condition from the drop down.
No one should be working this hard for $2
The value of the item is irrelevant. And not doing what is needed or required is opening OP up for constant disputes and bad FB and as a new seller with one bad FB already they cannot afford to ignore what is required/needed and risk unnecessary suspension.
They are already at risk because they did not have everything they needed in the listing...and they have the FB and an additional restriction to prove it. They do not need more bad FB or disputes.The value of the item is as relevant as it`s condition. Condition is how we determine an items value in the collecting world. The lower the condition, the lower the value. The op described this item with normal wear and tear & provided 2 pics. to the buyer. The picture I saw clearly shows upper and lower corners of the book to be not-flat. So what is normal wear and tear for a 35 year old item??
While I agree that a few more , higher quality pics of the item and a better decription would have helped, it would have also helped to raise the price of the item. Sometimes you just get what you pay for. I looked up this book, in question, here on ebay. I searched price/shipping lowest. What do I find? A very established seller with over a million feedbacks on ebay. NO picture and no real description of the item, free shipping $7.55. Do you think it`s possible new sellers take their cues from these mega sellers?
Actually sellers can list for any amount they want....they do not have to research anything or determine anything based on anything.
And since an acutal decription of damage and defects is required and not merely a statement of normal wear and tear being present. And the policies apply to all listing regardless of the item value or listed price.
And BTW we are not supposed to do things just because a few other sellers are doing them, and as in your example doing them in violation of policies...we are required to follow ebay policies instead and that is what we agree to do..I used ONE seller as an example that has over 3 million active listings with no actual picture of the item and a standard copy/paste of ebays definition of "good" condition. This one seller has well over 1 million feedbacks and has most likley made triple that in the way of sales. The seller in question is holding a 99.4% success rate.
I`ll ask you the question again but I`ll rephrase it.....as a new seller, would it be reasonable that if I wanted to sell an item I might compare what a successful seller (like my example) was charging and mimic their selling behavior?
It seems your interpetation of ebays policy would have had my example seller shut down long ago yet they have completed over 64,000 transactions this month alone. That`s a lot of missed opportunites for ebay to shut down a seller for breaking (your interpetation) of an ebay policy. I bet if I was to look I could find 1,000`s of these sellers.
No under no circumstances do you follow the example of listings that are in violation of policies.....not to mention you as a new or old seller agree to follow policies. Nor are you supposed to advise another seller to violate policies. Lots of sellers have lost privledges, gotten suspended and even banned by copying what someone else was doing wrong and in violation of policies.
And it is not my interpretation of policies..that was that the policy clearly says...no interpretation needed.
And those sellers violating policies can all lose their privledges at anytime as well as get suspended from selling or banned. Just because they haven't been caught yet doesn't mean they won't get caught.
All policies are wide open for interpetaion. Ebay elaborates in the FAQ section to help in the interpetation of policy. This is where the term "reasonable" comes in. What is reasonable? Nothing seems reasonable to you except the way that you see it or the way you think it should be done. BTW I have never advised someone to violate policy and I never would. If you think I have, it`s best to report me now. Please don`t accuse me of this again or even imply it as I take it quite seriously. I`m here to help other sellers, not scare them by telling them their account is on the verge of suspension. The op removed all their listings.