09-07-2018 09:15 AM
Yes, this actually happened. The buyer confirmed it.
Last night, I received a call from ebay. I have a few cs numbers saved as contacts in my phone. My phone only rang once before I could get it. I rarely answer anyway and do not want to talk to ebay at night. 2-3 minutes later, someone purchased an item and I recognized the user ID. I looked it up in my email and yes, they purchased something a while back, no questions and returned it. The item stated what it fit.
Returns have exploded since June. People who ask no questions that could dictate whether something would fit and then just open a return that the item doesnt fit go on my bloked buyer list. It costs us money and time . We block a lot of people to save ourseleves the headache of dealing with buyers like this. I thought it was our right to get out of the way of bad transactions.
I looked at my blocked list, which I back up to a file on my computer and there was a string of characters and deleted at the end. Ive seen this before when an account is closed I thought. I looked at my backup which is copied directly from the blocked buyer/bidder and they were on it, they were blocked. I messaged the buyer and asked politely if they had ebay call me. They replied "Yes, i wanted to buy this item and we were blocked". So the ebay rep unblocked this buyer.
So now CS is removing ID's from our blocked lists? That is completely insane. That can clearly cause us all kinds of harm if a buyer can just call and have themselves removed. I feel like it goes way too far. I had a buyer this year get extremely abusive going so far as to call and leave violent homophobic messages on my phone. I kept the messages and the persons account sold uninterupted even after he responded about the phone calls via ebay messages.
I have been contacted before by message that a buyer would like to purchase but, do not recall someone being unblocked. I have saved the correspondance and I have an idea people will say it isnt so but it is absolutely the case with the buyer confirming it. It made me sick to my stomach. This is my store and I pay a lot to do business here. I follow ebays rules even when they are getting really bad. Apparently I dont habe the right to protect myself from harm in one of the last ways that exists.
The only reason we block anyone is the feedback and return systems are such a mess for sellers with zero fault being placed on the buyer regardless of when its obvious. Sellers are rife for abuse as every buyer is not going to be fair as we all know. Sellers who have sold for a couple of decades and in some cases tens of thousands of items can start to see what questions and actions will cause problems as conversations involving this comes up frequently here.
Being able to block buyers who have cost us money in the past which could have been avoided by asking a simple question, is more important now than ever. With free returns being pushed down our throats (which it is or supposedly we may not show up well in search results) people may think its fine to just buy and try on and not even attempt to ask if said item may fit. They may do it once and see how easy it is to just guess, they may do it 5 times if we cant stop them. That would be ebay sanctioned abuse.
So now is ebay forcing us to do business with buyers who weve blocked? I think that is going too far and putting us in harms way after we are stepping out of it.
09-07-2018 03:48 PM
This goes against eBay's own policy, which is displayed on their website. It is right here in the link below.
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-policies/unwelcome-malicious-buying-policy?id=4375
09-07-2018 03:55 PM
I doubt that eBay condones a CS rep removing an ID from a seller's Blocked list. I'm sure it's the usual situation where a CS rep:
has the power to do something
has limited training. and
is motivated to get a positive review from the caller, rather than to do what is right.
09-07-2018 03:56 PM
@stemart-9760 wrote:
@soccerteeth wrote:Yes, this actually happened. The buyer confirmed it.
Last night, I received a call from ebay. I have a few cs numbers saved as contacts in my phone. My phone only rang once before I could get it. I rarely answer anyway and do not want to talk to ebay at night. 2-3 minutes later, someone purchased an item and I recognized the user ID. I looked it up in my email and yes, they purchased something a while back, no questions and returned it. The item stated what it fit.
Returns have exploded since June. People who ask no questions that could dictate whether something would fit and then just open a return that the item doesnt fit go on my bloked buyer list. It costs us money and time . We block a lot of people to save ourseleves the headache of dealing with buyers like this. I thought it was our right to get out of the way of bad transactions.
I looked at my blocked list, which I back up to a file on my computer and there was a string of characters and deleted at the end. Ive seen this before when an account is closed I thought. I looked at my backup which is copied directly from the blocked buyer/bidder and they were on it, they were blocked. I messaged the buyer and asked politely if they had ebay call me. They replied "Yes, i wanted to buy this item and we were blocked". So the ebay rep unblocked this buyer.
So now CS is removing ID's from our blocked lists? That is completely insane. That can clearly cause us all kinds of harm if a buyer can just call and have themselves removed. I feel like it goes way too far. I had a buyer this year get extremely abusive going so far as to call and leave violent homophobic messages on my phone. I kept the messages and the persons account sold uninterupted even after he responded about the phone calls via ebay messages.
I have been contacted before by message that a buyer would like to purchase but, do not recall someone being unblocked. I have saved the correspondance and I have an idea people will say it isnt so but it is absolutely the case with the buyer confirming it. It made me sick to my stomach. This is my store and I pay a lot to do business here. I follow ebays rules even when they are getting really bad. Apparently I dont habe the right to protect myself from harm in one of the last ways that exists.
The only reason we block anyone is the feedback and return systems are such a mess for sellers with zero fault being placed on the buyer regardless of when its obvious. Sellers are rife for abuse as every buyer is not going to be fair as we all know. Sellers who have sold for a couple of decades and in some cases tens of thousands of items can start to see what questions and actions will cause problems as conversations involving this comes up frequently here.
Being able to block buyers who have cost us money in the past which could have been avoided by asking a simple question, is more important now than ever. With free returns being pushed down our throats (which it is or supposedly we may not show up well in search results) people may think its fine to just buy and try on and not even attempt to ask if said item may fit. They may do it once and see how easy it is to just guess, they may do it 5 times if we cant stop them. That would be ebay sanctioned abuse.
So now is ebay forcing us to do business with buyers who weve blocked? I think that is going too far and putting us in harms way after we are stepping out of it.
Please enlighten us as to why a CS would feel free to remove a buyer from a seller's blocked list
There are sellers that just abuse the use of BLL ! by placing buyers on it when the transactions was the seller's fault to begain with not their buyer.
09-07-2018 04:44 PM
I've stated before that everyone has to run their business as they seem fit. Who is the loser if the seller blames the buyer for the SNAD and puts them on their BBL? The seller - because I'm sure the buyer doesn't take kindly to being blamed for a seller's mistake and most definitely would not buy from them again nor tell others to check them out.
I had a seller block me because the ink cartridge they sent me leaked and I requested a replacement. I finally got it after alot of photos exchanged and an offer of a partial refund which I refused - but they chose to blame me instead of accepting responsibility for a defective product. Because of the problems I had trying to get a refund or replacement I wouldn't use this sellr again - so it's his loss.
OP - castle represents buyers who like myself have bought from sellers who don't accept responsibility for their mistakes. We always have to appreciate that there are 2 sides to the story.
09-07-2018 04:53 PM
Well there isnt. A buyer purchased something and sent it back. Its that simple. Nothing was neglected and pictures were great. No questions were asked, nothing to infer there was anything the matter. It stated specifically what it was for if buyer didnt have x, they easily could have asked if it would fit Y. It was my right to block that person from costing me money again.
Sellers take alot of abuse from bad buyers but a few of you who always blame it on the sellers and infer that there must be much more and are always hanging out on the sellers discussion board blaming sellers for transactions that you have no info on and are only making assumptions.
Always making light of the real issue which was that a CSR removed someone from a blocked list. Thats the issue here and you cant turn it into, "well sellers do the wrong thing". I'm baffled how some people find the time and energy to constantly spout off negative hypotheticals and blame the sellers no matter what the actual case/cause.
09-07-2018 05:03 PM
While I 100% wholeheartedly agree with you that taking a blocked buyer off your list is wrong on every level, I'm questioning why they were there in the first place. You said they returned something. Was it a false SNAD return or a regular remorse return?
If the latter, I don't understand why you would block a buyer who followed your Returns Accepted policy. That wouldn't earn them a spot on my BBL. Now if they did it excessively (more than 2x for this small seller), I wouldn't hesitate. Also, I would block if it was a false SNAD.
09-07-2018 06:06 PM
@210treasures wrote:This goes against eBay's own policy, which is displayed on their website. It is right here in the link below.
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-policies/unwelcome-malicious-buying-policy?id=4375
Yeah, but not that long ago one of the blues confirmed they wouldn't do anything about it if the buyer "really wanted the item". It's one of them super secret hidden policies, ya know. And as far as why the OP (or any seller) blocked a buyer? Who cares? No seller should be forced to sell to anyone s/he doesn't want to do business with. Period. And unless eBay removes the blocked bidder list completely, they have no right to touch it. Period. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. Whatever their motivation may be.
Back when DSRs were defects, I would block anyone who left below 3 stars. Keep in mind they were cowardly annihilating the stars while leaving glowing positive feedback. I didn't need defects piling up like cordwood through no fault of my own. Clearly if those buyers thought I was so terrible a seller, why would they care if they were blocked? The funny thing is, most of them did. And boy did I love explaining why they were no longer allowed to bid on my listings.
Hare trigger or not, the seller has the right to block anyone. For any reason.
09-07-2018 06:09 PM
@tunicaslot wrote:I've stated before that everyone has to run their business as they seem fit. Who is the loser if the seller blames the buyer for the SNAD and puts them on their BBL? The seller - because I'm sure the buyer doesn't take kindly to being blamed for a seller's mistake and most definitely would not buy from them again nor tell others to check them out.
I had a seller block me because the ink cartridge they sent me leaked and I requested a replacement. I finally got it after alot of photos exchanged and an offer of a partial refund which I refused - but they chose to blame me instead of accepting responsibility for a defective product. Because of the problems I had trying to get a refund or replacement I wouldn't use this sellr again - so it's his loss.
OP - castle represents buyers who like myself have bought from sellers who don't accept responsibility for their mistakes. We always have to appreciate that there are 2 sides to the story.
You two aren't alone ,Ive from sellers who didn't accept responsibility for their mistakes. In fact one I use to buy from on ebay gave their employee too much power to run their ebay site.
09-07-2018 06:18 PM
@missjen831 wrote:
@ittybitnot wrote:How does eBay make more money if the buyer sends the item back? They refund the FVF so at most they kept what...:a few cents in listing fees if there were any?
They don't always have to refund the fees. Got a claim "found if favor of the buyer"? ebay keeps the fees. Paid extra to list in another category? These or any upgrades are not refundable, etc.
Give a partial refund to a buyer? eBay keeps the total fee amount.
I was under the impression also that the final value fees assesed/paid on shipping were never refunded. I just spent some time looking for information on that topic, but there is none.
If you issue a partial refund, all it takes is a phone call to get a FVF credit.
And the FVF on shipping is refunded, ebay does not keep it.
eBay is banking on the vast majority of sellers not knowing this. It's a numbers game, just like when the phone company overcharges you $5 and you try to call about it, but get put on hold till you give up. I'm sure that happens to lots of sellers that DO phone in, too.
09-07-2018 06:24 PM
@missjen831 wrote:If a customer service rep did in fact remove the buyer from the sellers blocked bidder list (and I don’t doubt the seller is telling the truth here), then it’s a fireable offence IMHO. Customer service has absolutely no right to do that. I’m not in favor of anyone losing their livelihood but this is just unacceptable. A customer service rep has absolutely no right to undermine a seller like that. They should not be allowed to do this.
eBay can and will do whatever they please. This whole idea of "rogue" CSRs always gives me a belly laugh. Why is it they always "go rogue" only against sellers? The fact that they're so darn CONSISTENT when they "go rogue" should tell you all you need to know.
Every Holiday shopping season we see threads where CSRs call up sellers BEGGING them to take buyers who worked hard to earn a spot on a BBL off the list when these buyers whine. The next eBaylogical step will be that if the seller doesn't answer at 2 AM, that means "yes". I can TOTALLY see eBay doing this. TOTALLY.
09-07-2018 06:26 PM
And the FVF on shipping is refunded, ebay does not keep it.
Even after something is paid for and shipped? I didn't see it addressed at all. Probably didn't look hard enough, since they just wouldn't leave something like that out.
09-07-2018 06:31 PM - edited 09-07-2018 06:36 PM
@210treasures wrote:This goes against eBay's own policy, which is displayed on their website. It is right here in the link below.
https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/selling-policies/unwelcome-malicious-buying-policy?id=4375
Sure, and a lot of other stuff eBay has done goes against their own policy as well. The point is that eBay DOES. NOT. CARE.
They tell you what you want to hear and then just do their own thing. We HAVE been told by eBay personnel right on these boards that if a blocked buyer circumvents a seller's BBL, the seller now has to PROVE that buyer had "malicious intent"... on every other planet, one would think "violating eBay policy" and circumventing a BBL sorta PROVES that intent... but not on eBay's planet, unfortunately... just like buyers are "not allowed" to demand products and services not included in the original listings, or like buyers "MUST" return items in the same condition they were recieved, or like buyers are "not allowed" to claim SNAD when it's a remorse return, or even like sellers are "allowed" to set their own return policy.
One of my all time "favorite" replies by an eBay manager on this board was when a buyer bought something from a seller "by mistake"... (admitted not reading description) but claimed the item was SNAD to avoid having to pay return shipping... also admitted in writing.
The eBay manager's response was that sellers need to... wait for it... "TAKE OWNERSHIP" of these situations when they happen.
Yes. Yes they did.
It'd be a real knee slapper if it wasn't so serious...
09-07-2018 06:38 PM
one would think "violating eBay policy" and circumventing a BBL
You must have missed the memo. eBay removed the block seller's had to prohibit buyers with too many policy violations to bid or buy. Since buyer's don't get policy violations anymore, there was no need to retain the block.
Apparently, ebay's super duper advanced fraud detection technology can root out buyer crime before it becomes a problem so sellers no longer need that 'restriction'.
09-07-2018 06:40 PM
@ittybitnot wrote:one would think "violating eBay policy" and circumventing a BBL
You must have missed the memo. eBay removed the block seller's had to prohibit buyers with too many policy violations to bid or buy. Since buyer's don't get policy violations anymore, there was no need to retain the block.
Apparently, ebay's super duper advanced fraud detection technology can root out buyer crime before it becomes a problem so sellers no longer need that 'restriction'.
Ah, yes... that was another wonderful fictional Kafka short story. I forgot about it.
09-07-2018 07:01 PM
@soccerteeth wrote:"Yes, buyers are supposed to ask questions. However, they may not get a true answer if they ask. Listing that have complete and accurate info, all the info a buyer needs to make an informed buying decision, may see higher sales as buyers may just hit the back button if the listing does not have important info, such as measurements. And a complete and accurate listing protects against SNAD."
Yeah, make it about being a bad seller instead of what it is. Ebay removing a buyer that I placed there. Im only here to make money, not to hang on the forums nonstop. Why would you even insinuate that a seller would not give a true answer. That just costs us money and time. Sure, we know there are bad sellers but you have no info to psuh the conversation that direction. This is about what its about and you cant make it about bad sellers.
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I'm not making it about something else, I was responding to your statement as follows:
People who ask no questions that could dictate whether something would fit and then just open a return that the item doesnt fit go on my bloked buyer list. It costs us money and time . We block a lot of people to save ourseleves the headache of dealing with buyers like this. I thought it was our right to get out of the way of bad transactions.
If the listing has measurements, there is no need for them to ask any questions, and that is to your advantage. Many buyers will just hit the back button if the listing doesn't have complete info, so your sales could increase. Of course if you don't want more sales, don't put complete and accurate info.'
And to this statement:
Why would you even insinuate that a seller would not give a true answer. That just costs us money and time. Sure, we know there are bad sellers but you have no info to psuh the conversation that direction. This is about what its about and you cant make it about bad sellers.
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Please know I am not insinuating anything. The fact is I've had multiple experiences where I asked a question about the listing and was assured the item was fine. The item came with the damage I thought I saw in the pics and the seller said they hadn't looked when they answered the question. My experiences are the info that you object to, but your objection does not make those experiences false. It has happened enough to make me doubt the wisdom of asking any question of any seller.
Why would a seller not give a true answer? THEY WANT TO MAKE A SALE. They hope you will keep it, or be intimidated enough by abuse to abandon the return. Or they just don't care enough to put the effort in to actually check on a question. It's easier to just say the item is fine, whether or not it really is.
I'm sorry your BBL was altered.