03-28-2018 11:34 AM
Return started 3/23 automatically for does not fit. Waiting for a tracking # & for item return to refund buyer. Says buyer must provide tracking by 3/30. OK, nothing so far.
Away from pc today, come back to check & within minutes buyer changed to not as described & asked ebay to step in. Buyer refunded automatically! WTH? What happened to having a chance to respond?
Got US rep & asked how can a fit/remorse return started be changed to nad & refunded within minutes without item return? Told me give them 24-48 hours.
Within minutes got a courtesy refund from ebay. How is this allowed to happen in the 1st place?
03-28-2018 03:30 PM
Then what is the point of automated returns? I thought it was to streamline & not have to have the buyer send a message. Its automatically accepted, buyer gets a label with my address & sends back. Refund when item arrives. Then what the heck is the point of automating returns if you still have to communicate? isn't it a given when the buyer opens a return for fit/ doesn't like/ changed mind & gets a label that they return it? No, this buyer didn't use the label, I think she knew exactly what she was doing & was attempting to get for free (which of course she did)
03-28-2018 03:34 PM
Who was suppose to pickup return shipping?
03-28-2018 03:35 PM
the buyer, I don't have free returns
03-28-2018 03:35 PM
@mokie11559wrote:Then what is the point of automated returns? I thought it was to streamline & not have to have the buyer send a message. Its automatically accepted, buyer gets a label with my address & sends back. Refund when item arrives. Then what the heck is the point of automating returns if you still have to communicate? isn't it a given when the buyer opens a return for fit/ doesn't like/ changed mind & gets a label that they return it? No, this buyer didn't use the label, I think she knew exactly what she was doing & was attempting to get for free (which of course she did)
While I agree, half of my returns can be solved by talking to the buyer. Which is why ebay's automated returns is MORONIC. I've had buyers shipped back their stuff before I noticed and was able to reply, when they could have kept it, by me solving their problem. Instead, the buyer now has nothing. But hey, ebay thinks this will make for more happy buyers! Yay streamline returns!
03-28-2018 03:37 PM
Yes it is, but there is no way to opt out of it. So much for streamlining.................
03-28-2018 03:38 PM
@mokie11559 wrote:
The message from ebay states: The case is now closed. We reviewed the case & decided to issue the buyer a full refund. The buyer claimed that the item didn't match the description. And the amount was debited from my account.
I called it a courtesy refund as it came from ebay, not the buyer
Hi @mokie11559, thank you for the added context! This is messaging a seller would see when we have closed a case in the buyer's favor after being asked to step in. While your situation was mistakenly decided as such, if a seller had a return policy and was not upholding it, we would consider this not described correctly (as the return policy is a part of the listing description).
And your use of courtesy is totally understandable, I just wanted to clarify as other members on the Community may have received a courtesy refund with different context and I wanted to ensure there was no confusion
03-28-2018 03:41 PM
Well if the return is automated & a label supplied, what is there for me to uphold, other than a refund when the item arrives back, which of course it did not, as it was never sent back
03-28-2018 03:43 PM
@coffeebean832 wrote:
@Anonymouswrote:
@coffeebean832wrote:
@Anonymouswrote:
while there are some instances where our system will close cases, these are very limited. Typically this will only occur when tracking has been provided that confirms delivery in an item not received case (seller favor) or there has been no response to the case before we are asked to step in (buyer favor). The OPs case was closed incorretly by a Customer Service agent, has been resolved and appropriate coaching has been provided. In the rare instances where the incorrect decision is made (even when it was our system that made this decision), we are able to appeal the case and fix our error.Trinton, does "no reponse to the case" include if the seller has sent messages through the case trying to work things out with the buyer? I've read conflicting information depending on the circumstances of the case whether messages through the case count as a response or not. Thanks in advance for providing more information.
Hi @coffeebean832, great question! Happy to confirm that messages sent through the case absolutely count. Any response to the case itself, be it a message, an offer of a return/refund/partial refund/replacement/denying the return/etc. all count as the seller responding to the request. An automated acceptance of the return the seller sets up also counts as a response. When we talk about the seller not responding, we essentially mean they ignored the request from the time it was opened to the time we are asked to step in. Once a request is opened, the seller is informed that they need to respond to it by a certain date. If this doesn't happen, they may loose the case if we are asked to step in.
Thanks Trinton. Let me throw out a hypothetical:
The seller responds through a Not As Described case and requests more information from the buyer to handle the claim. Maybe it's photos or information about USPS markings on a package - whatever. The buyer does not reply to any of these requests for information - complete silence from the buyer. Then the buyer escalates the case to eBay.
You are saying that the case will not be automatically decided since the seller has responded within the case. You are saying that a human CS rep will review the situation and either a- provide an extension on the case since the seller needs more information or b- they will find in favor of the buyer or the seller depending on other details of the case and what's being claimed.
Is that correct?
Hi @coffeebean832,
Short answer, yes: a Customer Service agent (a human) will review the details in the scenario you describe.
Context: our system would not automatically close the case in the buyer's favor for a lack of response from the seller, as the seller has sent a message to the buyer within the case. We may still authorize the return in this situation based on the specific details of the buyer's claim when compared to the listing. We do not require photos or information about USPS markings on the package, so this may not be factored into our decision - we are ultimately comparing the buyer's concerns with the seller's listing details. If we feel the buyer's claim is valid, a return would be pursued. If we feel the buyer's claim is not valid, we would close in the seller's favor.
03-28-2018 03:48 PM
@mokie11559 wrote:
Then what is the point of automated returns? I thought it was to streamline & not have to have the buyer send a message. Its automatically accepted, buyer gets a label with my address & sends back. Refund when item arrives. Then what the heck is the point of automating returns if you still have to communicate? isn't it a given when the buyer opens a return for fit/ doesn't like/ changed mind & gets a label that they return it? No, this buyer didn't use the label, I think she knew exactly what she was doing & was attempting to get for free (which of course she did)
HI @mokie11559, if a seller has set up automated returns, this would be considered a response. No additional messaging would be required to meet the expectation that you respond to the request. Your buyer may have specific questions that require attention, but the automatic acceptance would be sufficient to meet the baseline expectation of responding the the buyer's request.
If the transaction is eligible for a label and the buyer did not return the item within the 5 business days we provide for them to ship it back after you accept the return, the case should be closed in your favor. I know this is not what happened (as per the previous discussion of or incorrect decision), but I wanted to clarify this for future reference.
03-28-2018 03:51 PM
@jpcustomsonline wrote:
@mokie11559wrote:
Then what is the point of automated returns? I thought it was to streamline & not have to have the buyer send a message. Its automatically accepted, buyer gets a label with my address & sends back. Refund when item arrives. Then what the heck is the point of automating returns if you still have to communicate? isn't it a given when the buyer opens a return for fit/ doesn't like/ changed mind & gets a label that they return it? No, this buyer didn't use the label, I think she knew exactly what she was doing & was attempting to get for free (which of course she did)
While I agree, half of my returns can be solved by talking to the buyer. Which is why ebay's automated returns is MORONIC. I've had buyers shipped back their stuff before I noticed and was able to reply, when they could have kept it, by me solving their problem. Instead, the buyer now has nothing. But hey, ebay thinks this will make for more happy buyers! Yay streamline returns!
Hi @jpcustomsonline, if you are responsible for the return shipping cost or you offer free returns, automatic acceptance only occurs if you have not replied to the buyer within three business days. Check out our 2017 Fall Seller Update for more info!
03-28-2018 03:53 PM
@mokie11559 wrote:
Well if the return is automated & a label supplied, what is there for me to uphold, other than a refund when the item arrives back, which of course it did not, as it was never sent back
Hi @mokie11559, nothing more for you to uphold - as we've been discussing, this case was not handled correctly. I provided this context so you would know in what situations this message should be sent. You should not have received this message, nor had to go through the trouble that you did. You should have received a message letting you know that we closed the case in your favor because your buyer did not return the item.
03-28-2018 03:54 PM
It was rixstuff who posted always respond to return even if its automated. I didn't think it was necessary. and before this request was changed it said the buyer had 7 days to get the return in motion, not 5. return started 3/23 & this morning when i went to check to see if buyer started the return, it said return must start by the 30th.
03-28-2018 03:56 PM
@Anonymous Thanks for the added context and for addressing my question even though it was slightly off topic from the OP.
03-28-2018 03:57 PM
@mokie11559 wrote:
It was rixstuff who posted always respond to return even if its automated. I didn't think it was necessary. and before this request was changed it said the buyer had 7 days to get the return in motion, not 5. return started 3/23 & this morning when i went to check to see if buyer started the return, it said return must start by the 30th.
HI @mokie11559, happy to clarify; the 23rd to the 30th is 5 business days.
03-28-2018 04:03 PM
Ahhhhhhhh ok thanks Trinton, 5 business days. Where did I put the vodka/tequia/baileys?