I get the policy but why was my item removed yet there are 100s more with the same wording...

[buddistuff]

I really don't understand!! I got a 'violation" for listing a jar top only of the pancake lady (I don't dare say who) how ridiculous!! I never thought this violated any policy!!  The thing that gets me in addition to what a dumb policy this is, is that there are TONS of listings for "A.M" yet they are fine and allowed.  eBay if you're going to enforce the rules, you should enforce them for everyone. If there are "too many' listings to do that then you need to speak to your IT department about the way you "search" for these listings because it's half A***ed!!!   Some get to stay and others are removed?  So glad I'm paying all the high fees.

I'm so ticked. Wonder if I can list that on Facebook Marketplace or are there the same dictators over there? Anyone know?  Thanks.

[chapeau-noir]

Yes.

"Cancel culture" is a cynical political meme.  What we're dealing with now is actually 'consequence culture'.

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@ckimodog wrote:

I had the same thing happen to me. I make jewelry and every time I put swarovski in my title, they shut me down, even though there were tens of thousands of listings of the same.  Maybe it's because I'm don't really sell as much as others, but yes, they are swarovski.  It's a hit and miss...sorry this was your experience and yes it's not fair.  Have a great weekend. 

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It may seem you got targeted for being a smaller seller, but i don’t think that is the case.

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@sextons-sweet-deals wrote:

Who can tell me and explain that she was a slave image?

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[eleanor*rigby]

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@bonjourami wrote:

"It only became offensive when the cancel culture folks decided that it was a problem."

Sorry, but I dont consider Blacks and Native Americans part of the 'cancel culture'..if they object to these images, its within their rights to do so.   

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"It only became offensive when the cancel culture folks decided that it was a problem."

Blacks and Native Americans considered it offensive long before that. 

And how are Confederate Battle Flags and racial caricatures of negative stereotypes different? The flag is bad but a mammy hawking pancake syrup is okay? 

If anyone didn't consider those kinds of caricatures offensive long before eBay's prohibited items policy, perhaps it's because they have limited, if any, exposure to people of color. No friends, neighbors, co-workers, golf buddies, bridge partners. Anyone who's spent any time at all with people of color would never think of defending these kinds of items or blaming their offensiveness on the "cancel culture." That's insulting to every person of color who has been influenced by these negative racial stereotypes and to those of us with enough empathy to see how damaging they can be.

People need to get out a little. Make friends with some African Americans, some Native Americans, some Muslims, some Southeast Asians, some Buddhists, some Middle Easterners, some Hindus. Get out of their lily white worlds and learn about what kinds of things hurt others. Then come back and defend big, black mammy cookie jars.

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@toooldtorock wrote:

Greene may have had a rough start in life but she certainly ended as a successful

career woman.

It is a pity people who do not know her story view her so harshly today.

There wouldn't be any problem if Greene were depicted as a 'successful career woman'.

Greene is NOT what is being viewed harshly.   It is her degraded depiction as a 'mammy' ... that is being viewed harshly.  She, herself, I'm sure was a very fine lady.

[lightlily_arts]

Those items are prohibited on Facebook too and most other sites.  Craigslist is the only option or possibly other P2P sites.

[buddistuff]

I only had the cookie jar top, and I know people collect cookie jars.  I thought if someone had a bottom but needed a top it would be useful.  That was honestly all I was thinking. I never tried to offend anyone and didn't give the rest of it much thought, honestly, I sold other Black Americana in the past but that rule changed and I did not know. I do now.   After doing more investigating I see that many stores still sell the "offensive" items (like big box stores still carrying the A.J. pancake mix with her on the front).  
Well this is the last I will comment on this subject and I wish the whole thread could just be deleted but I don't see a way.  

[buddistuff]

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@ckimodog wrote:

I had the same thing happen to me. I make jewelry and every time I put swarovski in my title, they shut me down, even though there were tens of thousands of listings of the same.  Maybe it's because I'm don't really sell as much as others, but yes, they are swarovski.  It's a hit and miss...sorry this was your experience and yes it's not fair.  Have a great weekend. 

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Sorry this happened to you also.  We can only learn.  Have a good rest of weekend.

[buddistuff]

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@buddistuff wrote:

what i mean - I did not intentionally list an offensive item. I did not know a cookie jar lid would be considered offensive or that Aunt J was offensive.  I do understand their policy. I don't understand why other listings are allowed with the same words/subject matter

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And that statement makes sense until you inquired where else you might sell it.

You are illuminated it is offensive and yet you wish to still sell the item??

The others are up as they have not been found by the bots or reported. 

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obviously I will not be selling it anywhere!  Again, I saw it as a collectible cookie jar top!!  I see where people find it offensive!! I WILL NOT SELL IT ANYWHERE ok

[buddistuff]

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@north40sales wrote:

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@buddistuff wrote:

what i mean - I did not intentionally list an offensive item. I did not know a cookie jar lid would be considered offensive or that Aunt J was offensive.  I do understand their policy. I don't understand why other listings are allowed with the same words/subject matter

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Just because someone else lists the identical item does not make it OK......they just have not had the eBay bots catch it yet or have someone report it as offensive. 

The simple fact that Pearl Milling dropped the Aunt Jemima trademark and image from their products should be a good clue that it would be a problem....but a simple Wiki search would also give some good info as well.   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aunt_Jemima

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I would not have known this, I don't buy pancake mix lol 

[maxine*j]

And I would add this to your post:

The man on the Cream of Wheat box was Frank L. White (1867-1938), a U.S. citizen who had immigrated here from Barbados, and was a master chef when he posed for the photo and became the "public face" of the cereal.

The man on Uncle Ben's Rice was Frank Brown, a Chicago maître d'hôtel in the 1940s.

Like Nancy Green, they were real people.  Maybe now, in this day and age, we think there are better images to use,  Maybe they would even agree with that.  But I hate to see them dismissed as mere cartoons when they surely did not seem themselves that way.

The Land O'Lakes "Indian Maiden" -- Mia -- was redesigned in 1954 by Ojibwe artist Patrick DesJarlait, who fought hard to be recognized as a commercial and animation artist in a filed dominated by Whites. According to his daughter: "With the redesign, my father made Mia’s Native American connections more specific. He changed the beadwork designs on her dress by adding floral motifs that are common in Ojibwe art. He added two points of wooded shoreline to the lake that had often been depicted in the image’s background. It was a place any Red Lake [Minnesota] tribal citizen would recognize as the Narrows, where Lower Red Lake and Upper Red Lake meet." She added, "Mia, the stereotype that wasn’t, leaves behind a landscape voided of identity and history. For those of us who are American Indian, it’s a history that is all too familiar."

It's a strange way to encourage diversity, this removal of every non-White image from commerce.

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@bonjourami wrote:

"It is a pity people who do not know her story view her so harshly today."

Then I guess image is everything..real or not..Aunt Jemima was a slave image. I dont understand anything collectible or inspiring about that.

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The only person I know who collects this stuff, and it's a signifcant collection after all these years, is an African American.  He has stuff I wouldn't touch with a barge-pole, and I've said as much to him.  But, he says, it is his Amrican history -- good and bad, genteel and crude, fine and foul -- and his interest in it never wanes.

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@maxine*j wrote:

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@north40sales wrote:

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@bonjourami wrote:

"It is a pity people who do not know her story view her so harshly today."

Then I guess image is everything..real or not..Aunt Jemima was a slave image. I dont understand anything collectible or inspiring about that.

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People do collect some of the weirdest stuff...

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The only person I know who collects this stuff, and it's a signifcant collection after all these years, is an African American.  He has stuff I wouldn't touch with a barge-pole, and I've said as much to him.  But, he says, it is his Amrican history -- good and bad, genteel and crude, fine and foul -- and his interest in it never wanes.

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I wonder if the progressives would brand him as a evil person for collecting those items...

[maxine*j]

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@north40sales wrote:

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@maxine*j wrote:

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@north40sales wrote:

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@bonjourami wrote:

"It is a pity people who do not know her story view her so harshly today."

Then I guess image is everything..real or not..Aunt Jemima was a slave image. I dont understand anything collectible or inspiring about that.

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People do collect some of the weirdest stuff...

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The only person I know who collects this stuff, and it's a signifcant collection after all these years, is an African American.  He has stuff I wouldn't touch with a barge-pole, and I've said as much to him.  But, he says, it is his Amrican history -- good and bad, genteel and crude, fine and foul -- and his interest in it never wanes.

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I wonder if the progressives would brand him as a evil person for collecting those items...

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I'm sure some would and some would not.  I can tell you, though, that he is a man who would not give one small Hoot in Hades, in either event.    😄

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@eleanor*rigby wrote:

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People need to get out a little. Make friends with some African Americans, some Native Americans, some Muslims, some Southeast Asians, some Buddhists, some Middle Easterners, some Hindus...

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I agree with you totally. In my working life, I dealt with people from all over the world. I worked with them while they were still in their home countries, and worked with them once they arrived in this country.

And here is what I learned:

Humans are humans, no matter their race, ethnic origin, religion, nationality, gender, age, cradle tongue, educational attainment, or socioeconomic status.

That means that some are law-abiding and some are criminal.  Some are smart and some are dumb.  Some are kind and some are mean. Some are empathetic and some are narcissists.  Some are industrious and some are lazy.  Some are passive and some are aggressive.  Some are witty and some are humorless.  Some are somber and some are blithe.  Some are racists and some are not.  Some are religious bigots and some are not.  What pleases one does not please another.  What offends one does not offend another.  Each and every one has innate and unique talents and abilities.

Every human should be seen and treated as an individual, not as the member of this group or that group. Every human should be met with an open mind, and never with prejudices or assumptions based on membership in this group or that.

Each human being is so much more than any group s/he may be a member of.

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