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Help me figure out the angle on this buyer scam

I had a recent sale of an Apple iPad and something about the transaction seems hinkey. I just thought I'd put something up there to see if anyone has had a similar experience and can help me figure out what the scam is. I should first say that I've been an eBay seller for a long time and as such I've experienced more than a few scammers and fraudsters, especially with selling Apple gear. 

In this case, the sale of the one year-old Apple iPad Pro ended and the buyer was M.I.A. No after sale communication. 48 hours after sale and the payment never came through. Fearing I had a deadbeat bidder, I looked at the account to see if there were any clues that they were a scammer. Of course, they had feedback and the account was not new. But other than a few recent transactions for small things, there seemed to be a gap in the account usage. Not a good sign.

I sent a message to the buyer asking her to let me know if she did not intend to complete the transaction so that I still had a decent chance of getting a Second Chance buyer before everyone had moved on and I had to re-list the item and wait for another 7-day auction to run. The buyer did finally get back to me with some drama-filled story about how she went to make payment but realized her wallet was missing so she had to scramble to retrace her steps to find it. (Something did not ring true about this but I didn't feel the need to comment). She said that she was ultimately able to connect with her PayPal account and make payment. (The payment came through eBay's system, actually. So I'm not sure if the source was PayPal. I guess it could have been). 

Anyway, with the payment in hand I shipped the iPad to the provided PO Box in Tennessee the next day. The name of the recipient was "Annie G." (no last name provided beyond that) which was not the same name as the eBay account holder.  The parcel was delivered a few days later and then........nothing. No one picked it up.  According to the USPS tracking they sent a reminder to the person that the parcel was available to pick up but no one ever retrieved it. And three weeks later it is presumably still sitting there at the PO Box.

A subsequent message was sent to the buyer but to date I've not had the courtesy of a response. So this is the basis of thew weirdness, beyond the (suspect) drama-filled tale about lost wallets.  Who pays $1,000 for an iPad on eBay and then seems fairly unconcerned about receiving it?  I mean, I've been around for a while and I've seen and heard some things. But this one just seems odd. More than three weeks elapsed. The iPad still sitting there. And the buyer no longer responding to messages. 

I called eBay support today and discussed this situation. They agreed it is odd and have made a note on the account. They've also assured me that Seller Protection should cover me should this woman retract her payment.

Anyway, thanks for listening to my podcast. If anyone else has had a similar experience I'd be grateful to hear from you. 

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@nuclearomen wrote:

but there is nothing to "scam" - the buyer purchased the item, item was shipped to a po box, buyer hasn't picked up package - that isn't a scam, that's someone who hasn't picked up a package. 


It's a potential scam. It's not a new one either.

 

Usually they will wait for the window of the package to get to the buyer to expire and then do a package not delivered or something like it. And then they go to the PO (if they aren't there already) to get the package before the seller has a chance to do anything or it hits the window of it automatically going back to the seller. Admittedly I don't recall it being a PO Box before, but the same potential exists.

 

Having said that, if it ends up not being a scam though, great.

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the only problem there is that if a package is returned to sender it states that on the tracking as well that notices were provided to buyer prior. In any case, hope it's not scam and just buyer hasn't picked up package yet. Guess we'll know soon enough.

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Maybe the Post Office will return the package if it is not picked up within a certain time?  If that was to happen and the buyer later contacts you what are you going to do?  There is no telling why the package has not been picked up yet.  Maybe the person is incapacitated somehow? 

 

 

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@lalo9797 wrote:

Anyway, thanks for listening to my podcast. If anyone else has had a similar experience I'd be grateful to hear from you. 


I'm dealing with this same scenario at work - buyer purchased a rather expensive Shure wireless dual channel microphone system - 2 mics, 2 body packs, receiver, etc.

 

Purchase was made, paid, and product shipped via FedEx - direct signature required and insured.  Two days later I get a notice from FedEx about a delivery exception -- no one at the address to sign.  This happens two more times, then I see an address change request on the FedEx tracking, followed by more of the same delivery exceptions.  The order was RTS and arrived just yesterday (Thursday), several weeks after it was purchased.

 

During this whole time, I would send the buyer a Message each time I received a delivery exception notice.  No response from buyer, no communications at all for the entire duration of the transaction to date actually.

 

So it goes on a shelf and waits.  If the buyer never contacts us, it will simply be resold.  If they do contact us, we will only refund the purchase price less the round-trip shipping (FedEx does not do free RTS) and a restock fee.

 

We see something like this a few times each quarter.  At first I would get really anxious about "setting things straight"... but they just kept happening.  I have no clue why someone would make a purchase of that size, go thru the hassle of making payment, and then simple walk away.  Did a rival DJ take them out?  Did ICE trace them down based on this transaction and deport them?  Were they arrested for jaywalking and are just finishing up a brief vacation at taxpayer expense?

 

So now we just wait.  If they contact us, we work things out.  If they never contact us, and especially if their eBay account goes dead, we just let it go and resell the product.  Should they contact us in the future, we'll work things out.  But keeping a desired product sitting on a shelf is just wrong.  Buyers have responsibilities in a transaction just as sellers do.  If they don't attend to their responsibilities, there are consequences.

 

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Incorrect. Don't sell an $1,000 item on (or to) an account with low feedback.

 

I find feedback largely irrelevant, I have had buyers with decent feedback not pay or otherwise mess around. There's no real penalty for it unless they're chronic abusers.  

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If the item is not delivered by USPS's deadline, it will be returned to you. 

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@postingid7659 wrote:

Incorrect. Don't sell an $1,000 item on (or to) an account with low feedback.

 

I find feedback largely irrelevant, I have had buyers with decent feedback not pay or otherwise mess around. There's no real penalty for it unless they're chronic abusers.  


 

 

This is our experience also.  No real issues with zero FB buyers.  1 returned this week for 2nd item and left great FB for 1st purchase.  No longer 0 FB now, as our FB put them at 2.

 

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@lalo9797 wrote:

I just looked at the auction again and I think I originally had the shipping listed as Fed Ex Ground. But I changed it on the fly after the close of auction as USPS appeared to be a bit less expensive. So that may have complicated things for this scammer who now (for whatever reason) cannot show ID and sign for this package. 


Changing the shipping method that was advertised to a less expensive shipping method after purchase is a violation of eBay rules. 

 

Thinking that it may have "complicated things for this scammer", I would question who scammed who?

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The payment address was a PO box. Once the package is delivered to the payment address it is considered delivered so regardless if the buyer files an item not received claim now, the seller will win as the item was delivered.

So the buyer could file an inr and whether or not they picked up the package, the seller would win as the item was delivered to the payment address.

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@postingid7659 wrote:

Incorrect. Don't sell an $1,000 item on (or to) an account with low feedback.

 

I find feedback largely irrelevant, I have had buyers with decent feedback not pay or otherwise mess around. There's no real penalty for it unless they're chronic abusers.  


I'd personally rather see eBay track transactions rather than feedback -- transactions work for both buyer and seller.  Total transactions, Unpaids, Returns, & Completed.  Buyers would show initiated numbers, sellers would show completed numbers.  So a buyer with 100 total transactions, 10 unpaids, 25 returns, and 65 completed might be considered a chronic disruptive buyer.  A buyer with the same unpaids & returns, but with 2500 total transactions is about average, IMHO.  Give sellers the ability to block buyers based on unpaids and/or returns within the past 90 days and transactions might get safer.  Have eBay restrict purchases for buyers with high unpaids (over 10%) or high returns (10%) and transactions will become even safer.

 

Somehow, I don't think that's in eBay's playbook -- restricting buyers might be seen as limiting income...by totally ignoring the fact that sellers would likely be willing to list/sell more if they unpaids/returns levels dropped.  You know... fewer transactions but for much higher selling prices is better than a truckload of transactions at $1 over costs.

 

At least that's how I see it from where I'm sitting.

 

-Bob.

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@rosachs wrote:

@postingid7659 wrote:

Incorrect. Don't sell an $1,000 item on (or to) an account with low feedback.

 

I find feedback largely irrelevant, I have had buyers with decent feedback not pay or otherwise mess around. There's no real penalty for it unless they're chronic abusers.  


I'd personally rather see eBay track transactions rather than feedback -- transactions work for both buyer and seller.  Total transactions, Unpaids, Returns, & Completed.  Buyers would show initiated numbers, sellers would show completed numbers.  So a buyer with 100 total transactions, 10 unpaids, 25 returns, and 65 completed might be considered a chronic disruptive buyer.  A buyer with the same unpaids & returns, but with 2500 total transactions is about average, IMHO.  Give sellers the ability to block buyers based on unpaids and/or returns within the past 90 days and transactions might get safer.  Have eBay restrict purchases for buyers with high unpaids (over 10%) or high returns (10%) and transactions will become even safer.

 

Somehow, I don't think that's in eBay's playbook -- restricting buyers might be seen as limiting income...by totally ignoring the fact that sellers would likely be willing to list/sell more if they unpaids/returns levels dropped.  You know... fewer transactions but for much higher selling prices is better than a truckload of transactions at $1 over costs.

 

At least that's how I see it from where I'm sitting.

 

-Bob.


Yeah I would like some transparency on returns, INAD, refunds, partial refunds and other cases..

I wont hold my breath.. 

 

It wouldn't help in the end because cancelling a transaction results in a defect but perhaps a setting allowing a seller to auto block buyers at a certain count of these cases would be nice..

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Sounds like one of two things. The scam was on but a connection failed to get into the PO Box so they could not get the item or the buyer died. 

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