10-30-2017 12:49 AM
Like many of us, I go to yard sales, estate sales, estate auctions, flea markets, and occasionally second hand stores to source my inventory.
I am in my mid twenties and have been "flipping" since I was 13, taking after my father, who is "old school" and doesn't really do eBay, he sets up at flea markets.
When I first started going to auctions with my father, when I was about 8 or 9, he used to come home with an entire truckfull of stuff, not just junk, good quality stuff he could often double if not triple what he paid for it.
Fast forward a few years later and these TV shows like American Pickers, Pawnstars, Storage wars, etc put a huge wrench into the works.
You had people going out trying to earn a living and had little idea what they were doing. They followed TV, but let's be honest..TV is far from reality.
A lot of people who had been going to auctions beforehand could be narrowed into two groups: antique dealers and part-time eBay sellers. Part-time sellers had regular jobs, so they didn't buy as much stuff, they didn't have as much time to list things. Antique dealers bought well...antiques...so this left a huge list of things to make money on. Computers, electronics, trading cards, etc.
When the economy crashed in 2008, it become worse, because you had people literally trying to earn a living selling on eBay. Now granted, their were "full timers" beforehand, but not nearly as many.
Getting back to a "wrench in the works"...these people were desperate to earn a buck, and soon it became harder to make any money. To them, it was either buy a $100 item for 85 bucks and make $15, or go home broke, so profit margins soon started to evaporate.
That is when I received a huge upper-hand...a smartphone. I was one of the first people to have one that went to auctions and other events. It was 2010 and I became old enough to start selling on my own. The "low-hanging fruit" things like old toys, antiques, etc always went for more than it was worth messing with. I started looking at the odd and unusual. Stuff I had never seen before. Often, it was as easy as typing model numbers in. I remember buying some kind of computer for a John Deere combine. I got it for $5, I sold it in 3 days for $950. Then a week later, got a $500 widget for $20.
For the next 3 years, I quit working. I could turn more in a week than I could working a crummy dead-end minimum-wage job. I was hooked.
But that ended pretty soon. About 2 years ago. While the smartphone giveth, the smartphone although taketh away. I used to do quite well at estate sales with unusual stuff. If they couldn't find in in 5 minutes on eBay, they used to give up. But now they could just whip out their smartphone and can find it.
Estate sales became an utter joke. They idiotically never realized selling something in front of 100 people is a lot harder than when you have 100 million buyers. People aren't going to stand in line an hour, and give eBay prices or more. Of course...the next day when everything was half off, all the "good stuff" magically sold. Imagine that. The truth was.. the estate sale companies had their own eBay.
Auctions have become worse too. I live in the Midwest and you have retired farmers, ranch hands, etc with money coming out of their ears. Supposedly 63% of Americans can't come up with $500 in cash if their life depended on it, buy boy..you sure as heck would think otherwise at an auction.
As a matter of fact...of the past 12 auctions I've been too...I could buy stuff on eBay and sell it at an auction and make money, if they didn't charge 35-40% in fees.
The weird thing is....if you ask one of these people who didn't win the bid on something at a local auction if they would like to buy one you have, they won't. You would not believe how many times I've seen two old people run each other up to $100 on something, and I ask the non-winning bidder "Hey, I have one for $50, wanna buy it?" I have had this happen countless times, never had someone take me up on it.
Anyway..times are a changin'. Good quality estate auctions and estate sales that aren't insanely price are getting harder to find. People my age don't really collect stuff, and while I'm sure it's a generational thing, people my age range don't really have the money to collect things, and beyond that, so many people have collected stuff in the 70's and 80's, it will be a long time before that stuff becomes super-valueable. Try getting money out of a 1987 box of baseball cards. 30 years old and worth didly squat.
So in the next 20 years....a lot of people who collect will be dead. Just look at the market on a lot of stuff between the past 20 years. Stuff that was worth $500 in the 90's MIGHT sell for $50 today. Porcelain, glass and china took a huge hit along with other categories.
It will be interesting to see what the future of flipping holds.
11-01-2017 06:53 PM
@d-k_treasures wrote:
@emerald40 wrote:
@prescott4 wrote:
Whats the difference between a dumpster item, and an item thats been in a garage with rats crawling on it (and possibly spreading any number of diseases)?
Fact is, what most buyers dont know, wont hurt them if the seller cleans the item up, and dumpster dived items are far more common than buyers believe.I would not want items from either place.
And to be honest knowing that product could come from those places is making me second guess if I want to continue purchasing here.
But it does answer the question of why I would never purchase clothes for me or my family or execpt for my doll collectibles which are always in their original packaging, nothing that was not new in the original box.
If you've ever cleaned out a house that has been sitting empty for 40 or 50 years, it's a lot worse than a dumpster.
And at least you can't fall through the floor of a dumpster.
My local Ross is worse than a dumpster, no lie. I will never forget the time my mom & I went in there and she went to grab a pair of white pants off the rack and was horrified to see a big blood stain on the crotch! Haven't been back to that store in years. My husband has to go there for work occasionally and let me tell you, Ross is always quite an experience for him and he won't set foot in there unless he has to.
11-01-2017 06:56 PM
@retrose1 wrote:
@emerald40 wrote:
@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:I don't believe that and I did not say that anywhere. I said exactly what I mean. I said I don't see what they get out of it when their target audience is turned off by the fact they did it.
People stopped buying at Target after the Lily Pulitzer fiasco. It drove their customers away.
I read the article.
Apprantly some of it ended up on ebay.
In cases like this, stores need to limit items to 1, 2, 3 per person. Otherwise you have people who take advantage.
The same thing happened with Missoni about 5 years earlier. I thought that was hilarious as it was all over the news that it was sold out but at the end of a month, most of it was back at Target on markdown because resellers bought it and then returned the merchandise when it didn't sell and a lot of it didn't sell.
But what most people do not realize is that every designer line at Target is limited. New stuff is phased in and out like bathwater. It just amazes me that has been designer lines get the sudden attention just by showing up at Target.
If people didn't fall for marketing manipulation, they wouldn't go away mad.
What really annoys me is kids items that they manipulate. Kids in my opinion are more likely to fall for the hyped up item of the day. I remember those stupid hampster stoys a few years back, my son was dyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyying for one for Xmas, and there was no way I was going to buy an over priced one here or fight it out in the stores for one.
Dec 26 we go to Wallyworld and find tons that were returned because they didnt sell online. Suddenly my little brat didnt want one so badly
11-01-2017 07:10 PM
@retrose1 wrote:
@emerald40 wrote:
@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:I don't believe that and I did not say that anywhere. I said exactly what I mean. I said I don't see what they get out of it when their target audience is turned off by the fact they did it.
People stopped buying at Target after the Lily Pulitzer fiasco. It drove their customers away.
I read the article.
Apprantly some of it ended up on ebay.
In cases like this, stores need to limit items to 1, 2, 3 per person. Otherwise you have people who take advantage.
The same thing happened with Missoni about 5 years earlier. I thought that was hilarious as it was all over the news that it was sold out but at the end of a month, most of it was back at Target on markdown because resellers bought it and then returned the merchandise when it didn't sell and a lot of it didn't sell.
But what most people do not realize is that every designer line at Target is limited. New stuff is phased in and out like bathwater. It just amazes me that has been designer lines get the sudden attention just by showing up at Target.
If people didn't fall for marketing manipulation, they wouldn't go away mad.
Never understood the attraction to Missoni. Many of their patterns make me dizzy.
11-01-2017 07:27 PM
11-01-2017 07:31 PM
@quadcitypickers wrote:Like many of us, I go to yard sales, estate sales, estate auctions, flea markets, and occasionally second hand stores to source my inventory.
I am in my mid twenties and have been "flipping" since I was 13, taking after my father, who is "old school" and doesn't really do eBay, he sets up at flea markets.
When I first started going to auctions with my father, when I was about 8 or 9, he used to come home with an entire truckfull of stuff, not just junk, good quality stuff he could often double if not triple what he paid for it.
Fast forward a few years later and these TV shows like American Pickers, Pawnstars, Storage wars, etc put a huge wrench into the works.
You had people going out trying to earn a living and had little idea what they were doing. They followed TV, but let's be honest..TV is far from reality.
A lot of people who had been going to auctions beforehand could be narrowed into two groups: antique dealers and part-time eBay sellers. Part-time sellers had regular jobs, so they didn't buy as much stuff, they didn't have as much time to list things. Antique dealers bought well...antiques...so this left a huge list of things to make money on. Computers, electronics, trading cards, etc.
When the economy crashed in 2008, it become worse, because you had people literally trying to earn a living selling on eBay. Now granted, their were "full timers" beforehand, but not nearly as many.
Getting back to a "wrench in the works"...these people were desperate to earn a buck, and soon it became harder to make any money. To them, it was either buy a $100 item for 85 bucks and make $15, or go home broke, so profit margins soon started to evaporate.
That is when I received a huge upper-hand...a smartphone. I was one of the first people to have one that went to auctions and other events. It was 2010 and I became old enough to start selling on my own. The "low-hanging fruit" things like old toys, antiques, etc always went for more than it was worth messing with. I started looking at the odd and unusual. Stuff I had never seen before. Often, it was as easy as typing model numbers in. I remember buying some kind of computer for a John Deere combine. I got it for $5, I sold it in 3 days for $950. Then a week later, got a $500 widget for $20.
For the next 3 years, I quit working. I could turn more in a week than I could working a crummy dead-end minimum-wage job. I was hooked.
But that ended pretty soon. About 2 years ago. While the smartphone giveth, the smartphone although taketh away. I used to do quite well at estate sales with unusual stuff. If they couldn't find in in 5 minutes on eBay, they used to give up. But now they could just whip out their smartphone and can find it.
Estate sales became an utter joke. They idiotically never realized selling something in front of 100 people is a lot harder than when you have 100 million buyers. People aren't going to stand in line an hour, and give eBay prices or more. Of course...the next day when everything was half off, all the "good stuff" magically sold. Imagine that. The truth was.. the estate sale companies had their own eBay.
Auctions have become worse too. I live in the Midwest and you have retired farmers, ranch hands, etc with money coming out of their ears. Supposedly 63% of Americans can't come up with $500 in cash if their life depended on it, buy boy..you sure as heck would think otherwise at an auction.
As a matter of fact...of the past 12 auctions I've been too...I could buy stuff on eBay and sell it at an auction and make money, if they didn't charge 35-40% in fees.
The weird thing is....if you ask one of these people who didn't win the bid on something at a local auction if they would like to buy one you have, they won't. You would not believe how many times I've seen two old people run each other up to $100 on something, and I ask the non-winning bidder "Hey, I have one for $50, wanna buy it?" I have had this happen countless times, never had someone take me up on it.
Anyway..times are a changin'. Good quality estate auctions and estate sales that aren't insanely price are getting harder to find. People my age don't really collect stuff, and while I'm sure it's a generational thing, people my age range don't really have the money to collect things, and beyond that, so many people have collected stuff in the 70's and 80's, it will be a long time before that stuff becomes super-valueable. Try getting money out of a 1987 box of baseball cards. 30 years old and worth didly squat.
So in the next 20 years....a lot of people who collect will be dead. Just look at the market on a lot of stuff between the past 20 years. Stuff that was worth $500 in the 90's MIGHT sell for $50 today. Porcelain, glass and china took a huge hit along with other categories.
It will be interesting to see what the future of flipping holds.
i would say that the stuff i sold on ebay back in early 2000 can still be found in thrift shops and others.
it just doesn't sell any longer.
of course there are a few on this thread that keep blaming ebay.
but what's the point to even argue about it?
i think the real issue is;
it is getting harder and harder to find something "desirable" enough to be sold on ebay and of course also cheap enough.the mccoy, heager, fenton, red wing, westmoreland, longaberger, roseville...
and pretty much everything else you can find in the Schroeder Book is worthless today...
unless of course you find the exception and the "rare" item among these categories.
a good friend of mine managed to sell 2 rare Pyrex bowls for $400 plus shipping.
i'd wish i would have worked ebay 100% in the late 90s and early 2000s.
i feel it was still decent till 2010.
it was actually pretty easy and profitable.
since i have noticed the value of antiques and collectibles go down the drain.
might be over.
it is too hard to find the rare or more desirable item.
doesn't even have to be a 1M dollar item to me.
i am fine selling Nambe xmas ornaments.
i sell them from $10 to $80 a pop (yep sold 1 for that much once).
but even those i find so rarely.
in my categories it is becoming tiring.
it used to be fun while it lasted.
but the stuff i used to buy and sell, is still out there.
i see it every day in thrift shops.
it just no longer sells.
11-01-2017 09:09 PM
Fascinating thread. As a buyer, I never knew how you guys did it.
11-01-2017 09:10 PM
@rolenboy01 wrote:@coolections wrote:Sorry you may not like it, but being blunt, I find your story hard to believe. Even if you are not an Ebay seller or a young person anyone could easily see a Rolex watch, WWII items and antiques and know not to just throw the stuff away without at least checking it out. A whole family and no one noticed a thing and thought is was junk . LOL. If true, that is a one in a million find.
I have to admit that one was a bit hard for me to swallow as well, I've saw some crazy stuff being thrown out but this would definately take the cake, I come from a family of undiagnosed horders on both sides so what do I know, I know plenty of people that throw stuff out without a second thought and I still couldn't see them throwing out a Rolex.
It might be tough to swallow, but it happens more often than you think.
A few years ago, our local GW and Sally Ann would sell sealed cardboard boxes, weighing between 5-20 pounds, crammed full of jewellery. Priced between $20-$80, depending on weight. Reason was they got so much of it donated and didn't have the space to sell it individually. It was essentially like a grab bag, and I would go in and buy every box when they were available, then spend days sorting through the junk, and the treasures, with the jewelry loupe embedded in my eye. It's never too good too be true, whether the treasure comes from a dumpster or a GW 'junk" box. I found a men's platinum and diamond ring (resold for $1800) and a Breitling aviator watch (have had some serious offers, but refuse to sell it), along with many other seriously amazing, expensive pieces. I've slowly been selling everything off for the past 5 years and have made a ton of money from that so-called "junk"Some people really DON'T CARE and just toss stuff out. Sadly now the thrift shops are more savvy now when it comes to double-checking for valuables, and the prices have increased exponentially, so the scores are harder to come by, be it designer purses, jewellery, collectibles. I never drive by a pile of anything left by the side of the road without stopping to look through. I got over my embarrassment of being a "picker" years ago once I started finding "gold" in those piles.
11-01-2017 09:31 PM
When we had to go through my Aunt's rather large home, after she was put in a nursing home, we forced ourselves to think like she did as she succumbed to alcoholism and eventually dementia. The woman had a motherlode of treasures, stashed everywhere. Dirty shoe boxes filled with gemstones and Italian gold jewelry collected in her worldwide travels. Sofa cushions with money hidden inside. Envelopes with money taped under tables and chairs. Old clothing with stuff hidden in pockets (my mother did that and would forget which old purse or coat she put things in). Treasure is potentially everywhere. I've cleaned up homes of deceased hoarders and places that were abandoned. It is insane where and how people hide their valuable possessions. It's actually makes the news around here everytime a GW or Sally Ann employee is honest enough to admit they found a huge stash of money in those garbage bags that get dumped off...almost $100,000 in an old coat in one case. If I'm buying something here or at a garage sale, I don't really care where it came from, if it's cleaned nicely, and it works. And I give credit to anyone, and everyone who dumpster dives, goes through filthy attics/garages, etc. for inventory. Giving new life to old things is the ultimate in recycling. And it's not a crime to make a bit of money for the effort! Some treasures are worth rescuing. (Am still thinking about that Rolex in the dumpster).
11-01-2017 09:59 PM - edited 11-01-2017 10:00 PM
@ersatz_sobriquet wrote:Why do they limit production?
Because buyers perceive there is more value, and then they can show off that they have the item to others that don't have it, otherwise the item has NO VALUE.
But on the other hand, the ones who end up making the majority of the profit are the resellers instead of the company who makes it, so in that sense they're losing out on money.
11-02-2017 05:51 AM - last edited on 11-03-2017 06:04 PM by kh-ornesh
You might want to check and see if your goodwills sort and spread their donated merchandise around to other stores in their district.
Years ago I donated an unusual garment to our local Goodwill. It had a seam flaw and I had replaced the cool, but missing one, buttons so the garment was complete and unique. a couple months later I was in a Goodwill over a hundred miles away and there it was, seam flaw and my replacement buttons, hanging on the rack for sale. There are about a dozen GWs between where I donated and the one it ended up in. So it made me think and chat up a few GW employees.
Much of the stuff is sorted and them the good stuff is identified and shipped to where it would be the most appreciated and paid the most for. It doesn't matter where it was donated at, designer items will go to the high end GW first. Around here, the best GW to shop at, but also the most expensive, is the GW that sits next to the highway in the small town with the high tech medical company that has the most millionaires in the state. Everything is stylish, within the past 2 years and if it came in a box, it is in it's box, and the racks do not have have KMart of Kohls brands, it is all designer, high end, and independant brands, all the time. The GWs are not selling to the poor people of the area - they are selling to the rich ones.
I am not sure if our area does the auction sites.
Right now, donations have fallen off as fewer people feel they can afford to donate AND many of them have donaed to bigger causes, like hurricane, fire and flood relief, and don't have a lot extra to donate to the general thrifts right now.
11-02-2017 07:57 AM - last edited on 11-03-2017 05:51 PM by kh-ornesh
Inventory easy to find, people visiting eBay, staying and purchasing is much harder to find.
17 years later, of well over 150 people that I personally know that used eBay in 2000, I am the only one left. At least half of these folks I know do not bother with eBay nonsense and haven't now for 8-10 years.
They will never shop here again. Purchasing customers is what is lacking on eBay.
11-02-2017 08:08 AM
11-02-2017 08:47 AM
@fiveholergoaler wrote:Inventory easy to find, people visiting eBay, staying and purchasing is much harder to find.
17 years later, of well over 150 people that I personally know that used eBay in 2000, I am the only one left. At least half of these folks I know have Amazon Prime accounts and do not bother with eBay nonsense and haven't now for 8-10 years.
They will never shop here again. Purchasing customers is what is lacking on eBay.
With books Amazon is usually easier to deal with. You only have to find one listing and all of the copies are attached and it's easy to check condition statements. On ebay every book has it's own listing and it just gets tiresome except when wanting the one with the lowest price. If specifics of condition matters there is too much clicking into listings to read the description.
11-02-2017 08:54 AM
GREAT eBay inventory can be found at govliquidation
My advise is to search and buy triwall or triwalls (more bang for your buck)
Almost everything is US made and paid for with your tax dollars. . .
11-02-2017 09:01 AM
I've been reading, collecting and enjoying cookbooks and old paper ephemera since I was a little girl. I'm not an expert and still don't really know a whole lot about them, I just know I love them and other people do, too. I don't have any great stories, and so far ::knock on wood:: haven't really had a shortage of inventory. I mainly stick to one thing which is bad, I know, but I don't know much about other stuff, and so far when I've tried to branch out I've spectacularly crashed and burned lol
All I can say is that this is a fascinating and very enjoyable thead and I hope it continues on for a long time!