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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

Someone please wake me up from this nightmare called eBay. It's like a bad dream--when I think back over all the hours, days, weeks, months of my life--spent working here on eBay tediously doing listings.  All the times I wasted days, when suddenly my listings weren't compliant anymore with whatever glitch, "update" or new policy they threw at me.  I have been through my listings (over 1200 of them) so many times, one by one--fixing some God awful new issue this past year, and struggling so hard to figure out how to (forget succeeding--I am lucky to keep my head above water) keep my account in good standing and compliant--that I haven't even barely had time to do any new listings.  It seems like every time I log on here, there is some new policy, site change, feature, or glitch--that instead takes precedence.  I find myself making so much less money than I did even one year ago--that I am literally appalled at the thought of how my time has been wasted.  For what purpose did I devote all of those precious hours to eBay?  So I could see my earnings plummet, my stress level go up--only now to have the dreadful realization that I should have been putting my best efforts elsewhere?  Tell me that it is all just the imaginings of a tired seller's overworked mind--that this eBay, right now--is not what I wasted all these years on.

 

My pie chart that documents my costs used to say that I was at 25% expenses--that included fees, the cost of my items, and shipping.  Then they took away our FVF discount, and postage went up, and my costs went up to 30%.  Now I am inching close to 50%--and this percentage does not include the cost of my items.  I have a stack of returns sitting on my kitchen table, and that figure isn't included either.  So with all the returns I have, and the cost of my items, I figure I am closer to 70% expenses.  Are you kidding me?  eBay has, in ONE year--decreased my earnings from 75% to 30%?????  It's like a nightmare....a total horror show.  I am virtually putting nothing in the bank....False SNAD's galore last month, and this month I tried free returns for a few weeks--it was a nightmare.  I didn't get but one SNAD, but one out of every twelve items was returned.  Are you kidding me?  Talk about taking advantage.  There is no way I can ever offer free returns--not with clothing.  So many returns that stated, "It didn't fit."  How can this be?  I put detailed and accurate measurements on everything.  Lazy--eBay has trained the buyers to be lazy and careless.  They are soon going to realize that their carelessness is going to cause virtually no sellers to offer free returns.  It is all I can do, not to write these buyers and ask them, "Do they happen to own a measuring tape?"

 

If I were to take advantage of the "Listing Promotions" (isn't that a laugh--perfect example of eBay double speak--a promotion is supposed to be a good thing--how about a seller promotion for once?) then my profit margin becomes more like 18-20%.  Because most of the clothing categories that are being promoted are at 12% average--or so eBay says.  This is insanity.  They have stripped me down to nothing.  I am working for peanuts, but still working just as hard as I ever did.  I sold the same amount that I usually do this month, and last year I was putting around 2400.00 in the bank from my main store.  This month--not even 1000.00.  That is HUGE difference--and nothing but a slap in the face. 

 

And again--I sit down to do listings, and end up having to figure out how this GTC is going to work. I have read all the postings on this change, and I am still worried--and a little bit confused too.  Just another thing to be wary of.  Another reason not to trust this company--and another source of stress.  I feel like I'm in prison.  I always have to watch my back, and God forbid I drop the ball or my let my guard down for one minute--I know Big Brother eBay will be standing right there, just waiting for me to bend over.  Telling me all the while how much they are actually "helping" me--and how what they are doing to me and my little business is "for my benefit."  I am so disgusted, I don't even know where my disgust begins and my rage ends.  

 

Oh yeah, and guess who has "high" returns?  That's right--go ahead and scoop another big chunk out of my profits.  I have 100% feedback, ALL positives--on over 1200 sales this year, and 5 star ratings (except shipping is 4.9), but I'm a terrible seller.......right. More like, people don't read, and don't care at all about the toll their behavior is taking on the little sellers here--they'll miss us when we're gone--count on it.  But nobody thinks about the future of this company--certainly not the megalomaniacs in charge.  Buyers are so used to jumping on whatever short-sighted bandwagon that eBay throws at them, that they have learned just to go with it--and I honestly don't blame them for their ignorance.  If eBay treats its sellers like garbage, then what do we really expect from the buyers?  They have been taught to show us no regard, and have literally been pushed in every way, to cause our accounts the maximum amount of damage.  

 

The very worst thing though--in my opinion, is the search.  It is absolutely criminal to hide our listings that we pay for--either with store fees, listing fees, or final value fees--we pay several times over when one item sells, and sometimes we pay all THREE ways.  BUT eBay isn't satisfied with that--they want us to also pay for Promoted listing fees, and HIGH return fees--so we can then pay FIVE different ways to sell ONE item--the absolute greed is just sickening. 

 

I was looking for prom dresses for my daughter earlier today, and sure enough, I was only shown a small handful of choices. I assume that prom dress sellers feel that they don't need to use "Promoted" listings for an item that a lot of people are looking for.  Well guess what--underneath the handful of listings that I got (and OF COURSE, most were from overseas--even when I specifically checked the box for US only), were thousands of listings that were "results matching fewer words."  But a lot of them matched what I had typed in exactly.  Over and over this happened....I tried every different kind of search I could think of.....to no avail. And I know they are messing around with the amount of items even shown in the "results matching fewer words" area, at different times of the day-- because I have checked at three different times today, and sometimes I get 2,000 listings, but just in the last hour--there were 16 that they said "matched" and then only about 50 underneath.  What the heck?  I can't even find some of the dresses I was looking at earlier right now.  And they did not sell....they are just....gone. For now, at least.

 

If I type in, "Prom Dress Dave and Johnny Ice Blue 12 Full Skirt Tulle" I might only get a few listings (at least I DID in the past) but they are listings that I am interested in.  I am perfectly capable of narrowing OR broadening my own search. I am NOT interested in a champagne colored dress from China in a size 4.  But I can't even get the basics to work for me--I was down to three word searches, and it was a catastrophe.  And from a seller's perspective--I don't care if I'm on the last page of thousand pages, because someone who types in "Prom dress 12 ice blue full skit" just might ONLY see my dress. IF it is available to see, that is--and I might get a sale.  But I WON"T get a sale if my dress is even lucky enough to be included in the "results matching fewer words" area, along with 2,000 other dresses, because for ONE thing--you CAN'T SEARCH that area--you can't organize it from lowest price to highest--you can't filter by size, shipping cost, or country of origin--you can't do ANYTHING with that section, but sift through it one listing at a time and look through 2,000 listings to hopefully find what you want.  Who has time for that? Not me, and not your average buyer.  This company has become so hateful towards their small sellers, that they would rather cut off their own nose, rather than to help us put money in our pockets--they would rather have NO sale, than run this site fairly--and it is beyond comprehension.   And no seller on eBay got a sale from me today, because after two hours of wasting time here, and after getting seriously frustrated, I did what tons of other buyers must be doing--I went somewhere else--and found what I wanted. 

 

This is the true problem for most of us--how can we sell anything if we are not even being shown?  Is the answer really to give eBay an extra 12% of our already SLIM profits? Do you really think they deserve to get more money from us?  This is an outrage--and I can't help but think that forcing us to do these GTC listings, is just another way to bury our items, and make them lose relevance in the search.  To make us forget to revise them and update them--and don't forget about the HUGE controversy when eBay just took it upon themselves to TAKE DOWN and DELETE a bunch of sellers' listings that had "been up for too long."  Doesn't that strike some terror into anyone else's heart?  No warning, no discussion--some people lost thousands of listings--just *POOF* gone.  All that hard work.....gone. Personally, that is the thing that really worries me about these GTC listings.

 

You know, eBay does encourage us to get bigger and bigger stores--now we find ourselves, many of us, in the position of looking back at all the time we have spent working to get those listings up and compliant--and it is beyond understandable why so many of the long time sellers are reluctant to leave.  I dread the thought of doing 1200 listings again for another selling site.  But I will, and most likely I will have to.  Pretty soon I'm going to be working for what--10% profit?  You think eBay will be satisfied then? I don't-- I think they see us as geese that lay the golden eggs, and when we have no more eggs to give them--they will cut our throats, devour us, and use our bones to pick their teeth with.  That is how little we mean to this company.

 

But I have a plan, and I have decided to pull 80% to 100% of my listings for the first two weeks of next month.  Starting on April Fool's day I will be showing only a small fraction of the listings I usually have up.  I am sick of complaining and being told that there is nothing we can do.  If every seller here took down (or didn't allow the GTC to roll over) for even 50% of their listings--eBay would show a HUGE loss.  And then maybe management would sit up and take notice of their "small" and "unimportant" sellers.  Maybe when the corporate fat cats and their stock holder buddies start having to be accountable for their terrible decisions things might change.  As it stands now, we come here and complain, and that is fine, everyone deserves to have their say--but we don't come to any solutions--and right now we need action. The ONLY way to get a message to them is through their pocketbooks--that is literally all they care about. 

 

They don't care about the years we've spent here, the time and effort that 99% of us put into being the best representatives for this company that we can be--and the fact is, eBay has some great sellers, and we deserve to be treated with a little fairness & respect. We have earned, at least, that much. The amount of fees that some of us have paid into this company is MIND-BENDING.  I look at just what I've paid to them, and I am shocked--and I am in no way a HUGE seller--I am very small--but I could buy a nice house with what I've paid eBay.  But they don't care if they cheat us, step on us, and use us whenever they need a few extra dollars.  I am not trying to influence anyone in any way--we all have our own needs and reasons for doing what we do--I am only throwing out a suggestion, and telling you what I am going to do.  I know that the trolls and the cheerleaders will be here shortly, and if they can't refute this post, and state over and over, that "nothing can be done" then they will start off-topic arguments attempting to get this post silenced--it happens a lot to my posts--and it doesn't really bother me, to be honest. I am not the type of person to just give up and give in--not yet--not when there is still some hope.

 

Reading through this board, I have never seen sellers so upset and angry--how much more can we honestly take?  Just when we think it can't get any worse it does...so is losing some income in the short term worth gaining in the long term?  eBay only thinks about the short term, so maybe if we also stop worrying about our personal gains for the short term, and instead take a little vacation--spend time with our friends and family, do something special during the times we would have been listing--paint a picture, re-arrange the bedroom furniture, go through your inventory and organize--anything other than putting up listings.  Can you imagine what it would look like if all at once, not only the GTC plan failed, but also if Promoted listings took a HUGE downward turn?  How satisfying would that be?  My purpose here today was not only to commiserate about the stupid GTC listings, but to also shine a light on all the other terrible things that have happened, and continue to happen here. I am sick and tired of being treated like an imbecile by this company.  The only reason they keep getting away with disrespecting us, fleecing us, and hurting our businesses is because we keep rolling over and letting them. The fact is, that things can only get worse--what do we really have to lose?  I thought six months ago when they took away 20% FVF's that things couldn't really get much worse--but instead of being satisfied with that huge financial boon, it seemed to only serve to make them more greedy, and more entitled to OUR hard-earned profits.  As if now, instead of actually looking for ways to improve this site, they literally are only looking for a short-term cash grab--one after another--always from the sellers. And it won't stop, they have gotten far too comfortable with their big pay-offs from us.  It won't stop unless we make it stop.  So I will make my stand on April Fools's Day--and as I do not only will I be hoping for the best April Fools Day prank ever, but I will also be thinking about the wise words of Abraham Lincoln, repeated by the brilliant Bob Marley--both heroes of men, and champions of the  "little" people.  "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time." 

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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

Yet how come a company like Ebay who is so ill willed toward their sellers can have their stock going up? I wonder if the stockholders have any idea of the storm brewing with the customers (sellers) who largely make up this site? This whole scenario is SO sad. I am at a loss as to how to improve my sales with a company that has no regard for me or any of its sellers with the exception of the Chinese or big box stores.

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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

What do you guys mean when you speak of "The Watchers Change?" Sorry, I'm in the dark about that one. I also feel sick to my stomach trying to figure out how I'm going to keep track of GTC listings. Anyway, what did they do to the watchers???? I'm clueless. 

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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

I am not sure how long you have been here, but do you remember (not even very long ago--just a few months ago) when eBay would show the number of watchers on a seller's listing?  Every potential buyer could see how many other people were ALSO interested in an item--and the "number of watchers", was a count of how many people had a particular item on their watch list.  eBay used to make this public knowledge, and they would display the number of watchers on ALL listings--anyone--buyers and sellers alike-- could see how many people, at that given moment, were saving an item to their watch list .   

 

Many times it prompted a sense of urgency--and the buyer--as soon as they saw that others were interested in the same item--well, they would quickly buy it.  Or, it might encourage a buyer to look at your other listings--especially if there were a lot of watchers--it would give the impression that your items were popular, or in demand. OR--it would encourage them to bid higher in an auction.  Also--people who were doing research on a particular item could easily see if that item might be an OK item to sell here based upon a quick & cursory glance at customer interest.  Oh, and also--sometimes it was just a really fun diversion to see if some listings that were particularly popular had sold yet. I had several items on my watch list that had over 150 watchers--every once in awhile I would take a peek and see if the Pyrex "Atomic Eye" Chip-and-Dip set had sold yet for its cool asking price of 10 grand.

 

eBay used to still be a little bit fun, even just a few months ago.  But I have NEVER seen a company strip the joy & fun away, with such precision & efficiency, as I have seen this company do. Displaying the "number of watchers" for everyone to see was very beneficial for the sellers here.  With no adverse effects for anyone--it only helped our businesses and added to the platform--in many ways, as I described.

 

Well, a few months ago eBay stopped showing the number of people watching any particular listing--I can't remember if they even made an announcement--but I am pretty sure that, even if they did bother to tell us, the new policy was likely buried somewhere in some fine print. Even worse--they didn't bother to educate the buyers--so for a long while (and now still) after this change--everything buyers looked at appeared to be unpopular--as they were no longer shown the number of other interested parties--but instead it looked like every listing had ZERO watchers.  I have seen a "number of watchers" total here and there--but only for mega-stores.  Removing this feature did nothing but help to further tank our sales, decrease our morale, and is simply just another dumb decision eBay has made--one more stupid move, piled on top of a mountain of mistakes and harmful changes--with no reason or thought put into the decisions--seemingly other than that the new policy serve as one more nail in the coffin's of small sellers. 

 

Something that I did not know, however--was that eBay had admitted that this move would hurt our sales--yet they went ahead and did it anyway.  That is pretty sad--pretty disgusting. 

 

  

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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

yes if you really dig in my tags in tech discussions "sneaky change"tag
i banged my head against the wall for months wondering why on earth they would take away features that pure and simple were sales drivers and gave buyers urgency to buy (when i go to flea market a trick the vendors will do is have another vendor act interested in an item i'm looking at,think i'm not knowing so i think if i set it down they will buy and i will miss opportunity to buy making me also have less leverage in negotiation,it works just like watchers)what eBay has done (watchers are just one example there were many changes) is they have changed the urgency to buy for the buyer to urgency for the seller to sell of course at same time devaluation of the item it's a transfer of leverage in negotiation to the buyer,why you ask?well at the same time they were kicking off the paid promos thinking sellers would embrace as a life boat,the problem is the transfer of leverage devalued the item and eliminated sales at the same time crashing the one of a kind market,they should have continued with creating and improving drivers such as watchers and the paid promos probably would have caught on faster,the problem is sellers sure try this paid promos like eBay thought they would but the devalued the paid promos value at the same time by transferring leverage to the buyers,i think this theory is particularly true with one of a kind items that the market is determined purely by perception and this environment has made it particularly hard to create a new markets for items like this,because of the perceptions are the value leverage is the perception,eBay changes the rules in the middle of the game and leaves you to figure it out,it can be done of course but of course takes time and time is money and that also takes leverage away from seller,that's my theory anyway.
Watchers is just one of the many changes,i think the latest change that they have made is the way best match works.
best match i have noticed fluctuates beyond natural possibilities i see it stacked almost in reverse of what it should be sometimes,this really matters when buyers visit your store and may only look at a couple of pages before moving on.
Those are my thoughts in a nutshell
One thing for sure eBay changes rules in middle of the game all the time always has,they are just doing it in a more radical brazen way on steroids then ever before,of course when one milks a cow you should be gentle, not cut the sack they have been kinda cutting the sack to get the milk.

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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

"Reading the posts here I would never want to Sell on eBay, but I also don't want to see this company fail.  I used to live in San Jose and watched the Headquarters campus being built.

 

There are many people who use the site to supplement their income or earn a living.  The practice of adding fees is bad enough, but forcing Sellers to jump through hoops into a fire is abusive and crosses a line.

 

I'm working on getting more visibility on this and other concerns."

 

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NO ONE really wants to see this site fail. As I tried to get across in my post--most of us have put way too much time, work, and effort into selling here, to just let it go without a fight.  

 

I know that post was long--but I felt it was necessary to really explain what it feels like to devote so much to an unworthy and contemptuous selling partner.  I wanted to show that every day is a struggle here, how terrible the search is, and how all these changes are seriously affecting our incomes.  It is getting to be a dire situation here, and people deserve to know--to really know--just how awful it truly is.  And I am just an average small seller--but that post is my story, and my testament--and every seller that is currently suffering here needs to share their experiences as well.  Because the mistreatment of so many good individuals should be documented.

 

Something needs to be done, and only WE sellers can do it.  We need to show some solidarity, because so many of us feel the same way--totally abused, tricked, and fleeced for every penny eBay can wrestle from us.  They are counting on the fact that they are starving us out and making us desperate--they know that most people's mindset is to put themselves first, and the last thing they think we will do is come together and make some waves.  They think us incapable of intelligent and organized action, and we can't become the irrelevant peons that they think we are.  We are SO MUCH MORE than we are given credit for right now.

 

But we need to take this rage and turn it into something positive.  As I suggested, if every seller held back even just 50% of their GTC listings, it would be devastating. And perhaps some real change could happen.  But just sitting around and allowing ourselves to be taken advantage of--over and over--it won't solve anything. 

 

We have to get away from the mentality of, "How does this benefit me right now?" and start thinking of our future here. Does anyone really want things to stay the same, or God forbid--get worse?  Don't like the holding back of the GTC listings idea--then let's throw some ideas around, I am all ears--but please, let's not let them continue to think that we are such insignificant simpletons that we will simply continue to roll over--as they fully expect us to keep doing.

 

"And now we see the light, you stand up for our rights"

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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

i think they only listen to share holders,right now they are being clobbered by them,many changes in personnel right now.
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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

I see you did take down all of your listings.

 

Are you going to close down your store subscription as well?

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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

"GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things."

 

Your title is absolutely 100% correct.

 

There are a lot of worse things. The deaths of parents, divorce, the sudden death of a child, injury of a spouse causing him to be out of work for 16 months...

 

Yep, lots of things are far worse than Ebay and its policies.

The easier you are to offend the easier you are to control.


We seem to be getting closer and closer to a situation where nobody is responsible for what they did but we are all responsible for what somebody else did. - Thomas Sowell
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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

I don't have a store.  Currently I have 78 active listings - only 15 of those are GTC (by choice).  I'll use the 50 free listings but that's it.  I can't devote time to manually keeping track of listings I put in under a promotion.

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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

Well, thank you for taking the time to share your feelings, and experiences. You, and many others have taken a physical and psychological beating. It's like running as fast as you can to advance an inch some days only to lose that inch, and many more. I got out as a seller because I just didn't feel like having an "all day sucker bull's eye" on my back.  You hit the nail on the head with your statements. I was at an antique store yesterday and found myself thinking about Ebay sellers, and imagined  the scams some buyers pull. Free rentals came to mind. Ebay has been too "Big Brotherish" and I want to call the shots in my own world.  I would never come out of the woodwork to lecture you about "sucking up the losses" and "moving on." Thank You for sharing your frustrations and suggestions.

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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

Eventually I will close the pirate720170 ID. I am only keeping it up now because I had recent sales before the shutdown, and I like to follow up on the deliveries of those items. I will keep this ID up because I have others that I write to on the forums.

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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

Thank you so much for taking the time to articulate what we are all feeling! I am just a tiny little hobby seller. For the past few years, I've been working to learn this business, hoping to use it to supplement my retirement. I am insignificant to eBay. But given proper support, I thought, I could be a great seller. Now, I'm just sick to my stomach, knowing full well that my little store cannot survive this hit. I keep hoping that eBay will change their mind, like they did when they made us wait two weeks to put our items on markdown.  Your post has given me a smidgen of hope, that with solidarity, we could possibly effect a change. 

So, I'm calling eBay today, to voice my displeasure, and ask how I can get out of my Basic store subscription. I know it will cost me, though by all rights, they should let us out of those agreements, since this change was not at all what I signed on for. I will continue to use my "free" listings for auctions, until they come to their senses, or I find a more suitable venue.  

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@evodoor wrote:

Thank you so much for taking the time to articulate what we are all feeling! I am just a tiny little hobby seller. For the past few years, I've been working to learn this business, hoping to use it to supplement my retirement. I am insignificant to eBay. But given proper support, I thought, I could be a great seller. Now, I'm just sick to my stomach, knowing full well that my little store cannot survive this hit. I keep hoping that eBay will change their mind, like they did when they made us wait two weeks to put our items on markdown.  Your post has given me a smidgen of hope, that with solidarity, we could possibly effect a change. 

So, I'm calling eBay today, to voice my displeasure, and ask how I can get out of my Basic store subscription. I know it will cost me, though by all rights, they should let us out of those agreements, since this change was not at all what I signed on for. I will continue to use my "free" listings for auctions, until they come to their senses, or I find a more suitable venue.  


  I'm had my own complaints about forced GTC on my IDs with only 50 listings, but my store ID is fine.   Have you already ended many of your listings?  I ask because I only see 32 listed on this ID, and with a basic store, I can't understand why it affects you so direly.  

@evodoor 

 

 

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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

I started dealing with the GTC last night. After much consideration I came to the conclusion that the purpose of this change (which is working for them) is to eliminate small time sellers. They want 'out' with the small potatoes and strictly  the big boys making the big bucks. I believe we are a burden to ebay. I as well, am in the process of moving to another venue after 18 years of it. I find this sickening. And the new page layouts just plain stupid. And we all know you can't fix stupid. Are kindergartners writing these programs? Forever frustrated with every new change, I remain. Sad, really. 

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GTC is AWFUL--but you know what's worse than that? Lots of things.

"I'm in solidarity with Sellers and will stop buying on eBay until the GTC Issue is addressed (in addition to some other serious issues I've reported)."

 

I fail to see how NOT BUYING anything is supporting any seller...................it appears to be quite the opposite - penalizing the seller for a decision made by the corporate entity.

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