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My name is Julie. I've been having trouble finding a place to email this.  My daughter's husband was listing an item for a seller thinking that he could make some additional income.  He listed a watch and did receive a payment so he thought this was legitimate.  The person asked him to use friends and family for payment.  My daughter and her husband found out that this person didn't send the watch and they were turned over to collections for $8600.  My daughter is 22 and needless to say does not have money.  Her husband was mortified that he fell for this and wouldn't let her tell anyone so this has just sat in collections since it happened.  I don't know what to do or if there is anything we can do.  If there is someone that we can contact for help on this please let me know.  This is just going to continue to ruin their credit and we certainly don't have the money to pay it.  I understand this is certainly a horrible lesson but this is so wrong.  If anyone knows who I should contact at Ebay, please let me know.

Thanks

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@sandmansaleswrote:

So your SIL listed an item he did not have in his possession. Then sold said item and turned around and gave a perfect stranger almost 9 grand?

I'm not seeing the scam. What am I missing.

 

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You are missing the person who got them into this, asking them to list the watch for him.

 


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As I mentioned earlier, this isn't a new scam, or just fiction:

https://community.ebay.com/t5/Selling/Seller-Account-Security/m-p/27009449

That's one thread I found about the same scam; there have been others.
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I recommended one book because of its comprehensive documentation.  It's far from the only source of information.

I'm not sure why I keep seeing posts that in the time it took to write them or bring them up with spouses who say they never heard of this, many sources could be uncovered and even found worthy of examining.

 

common sense would dictate  she wouldn't  have been  purposely  involved in things that may have damned her soul .

 

I'm not sure that common sense applies to matters of faith, but MT might arguably be said to have been less concerned about the alleviation of poverty and suffering than in bringing souls to the Roman Catholic church.  As for what she may or may not have believed could **bleep** anyones soul - one should always keep this piece of Scripture close-at-hand in my opinion:

 

Every way of a man is right in his own eyes  (Proverbs 21:2)

 

The rest of that verse adds but the LORD pondereth the hearts

 

Her letters and journals reflect that she suffered for decades from having lost the sense of connection to God and this caused her much psychological pain and  self doubt. Some have accused her of hypocrisy on account of this, but I actually think this is unjust.  However, it's not irrelevant.

 

Her own words are worth reviewing too.  For example, at a press conference in 1981 she said: 

 

"I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people."

 

She spoke of suffering in similar language, suggesting that suffering is a beautiful thing, like a kiss from Jesus. 

 

Her account with the Vatican Bank amounted to so many billions of $ that it likely would have bankrupted them if she'd ever called in the $.   But the $ that did go to her charities, homes, etc to directly help the poor and ill were meager indeed.  And many of the trappings were misleading - an example being the ambulances - which were not used to transport the ill or dying but to take nuns from location to location. And food services that did not feed thousands daily as claimed but hundred, and most of which required that the attendees be pre-approved as Roman Catholic poor.

 

The failure to provide analgesics to suffering and dying patients in her homes was not due to lack of funds and was a topic of concern for many critics including the editor of THE LANCET who commented on the 'haphazard' way the homes were managed, including their failure to distinguish between the treatable and the terminal or to prevent the spread of tuberculosis by even the simplest methods of isolation. He commented harshly, as did others, on the absence of efforts to relieve suffering.  Lack of money was never a barrier.

 

Anyway - the best thing anyone can do when faced with statements contrary to the facts one previously understood to be true is to either:

 

1.  disbelieve it out of hand

2. do some research

 

I recommend 2. but recognize that it may be unpalatable to many.

 

 

 


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@emerald40wrote:
But, if you are a victim of a crime, you file a police report. If you are a participant in a crime, you don't.

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I disagree with that. I have read about it and heard it on the news, especially with the elderly. But it can apply to every age. Some are so embarrassed that they fell for such a scam, they do not report it. And those are the types of people these scammers target - the elderly and the gullible and the desperate who do not have the ability to fight back.

 

You can also find exceptions to the second part of my statement.  There are criminals that go to the police and report crimes they are involved in.  There was a drug dealer in FL that reported being robbed of his cocaine recently. 

 

It doesn't sound like this SIL is elderly, infirmed,institutionalized so that doesn't seem applicable.  IMHO, the odds are much higher that the reason someone refuses to go to the police is that they were involved in illegal activity in some way than that they are too embarrassed.  Especially if  the amount of money involved is more than they can afford to lose.... which seems to be the case here.

 

 

 

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@webwannawrote:

@emerald40wrote:
But, if you are a victim of a crime, you file a police report. If you are a participant in a crime, you don't.

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I disagree with that. I have read about it and heard it on the news, especially with the elderly. But it can apply to every age. Some are so embarrassed that they fell for such a scam, they do not report it. And those are the types of people these scammers target - the elderly and the gullible and the desperate who do not have the ability to fight back.

 

You can also find exceptions to the second part of my statement.  There are criminals that go to the police and report crimes they are involved in.  There was a drug dealer in FL that reported being robbed of his cocaine recently. 

 

It doesn't sound like this SIL is elderly, infirmed,institutionalized so that doesn't seem applicable.  IMHO, the odds are much higher that the reason someone refuses to go to the police is that they were involved in illegal activity in some way than that they are too embarrassed.  Especially if  the amount of money involved is more than they can afford to lose.... which seems to be the case here.

 

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I saw an episode on Cops recently.  The police involved could not stop laughing.

 

You do know that lack of medical insurance prevents even extremely ill people from getting the help they need.  Not really a good way to judge.

 

And as I said before they are young.  And as Judge Judy said not fully cooked.  It is not black and white, there are definitely gray areas as to why these young people did not go to the Police.

 

 

 

 

 


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@sandmansaleswrote:

So your SIL listed an item he did not have in his possession. Then sold said item and turned around and gave a perfect stranger almost 9 grand?

I'm not seeing the scam. What am I missing.

 

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1. Scam #1 is that a buyer paid over $8K for a watch that was never received. Luckily, the buyer was protected by eBay and Paypal policies.

 

2. Scam #2 is that some unknown party committed to ship an item, accepted $$ for doing so, and then did not do so.

 

3. Scam #3 is that the party whose Paypal account accepted the  buyer's payment.  and who then turned a portion of those funds over to someone else (the unknown party in Scam #2), did not attempt to repay even a portion of those funds to the party who assumed the $ loss and reimbursed the buyer or subsequently to the collection agency who attempted to recover the loss on that party's behalf.

 

Similarly, despite knowing that criminal fraud had occurred, no report was made to law enforcement.

 

 


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And as I said before they are young.  And as Judge Judy said not fully cooked.

 

At 22+ yrs,  if still not fully cooked, the heat's been on too low


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And as I said before they are young.  And as Judge Judy said not fully cooked.

 

At 22+ yrs,  if still not fully cooked, the heat's been on too low


There's been more than enough research that shows the typical human brain doesn't even reach full maturity until age 25.

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@city*satinswrote:

 

Anyway - the best thing anyone can do when faced with statements contrary to the facts one previously understood to be true is to either:

 

1.  disbelieve it out of hand

2. do some research

 

I recommend 2. but recognize that it may be unpalatable to many.


May I suggest that those folks who want to talk about Mother Teresa start their own thread about her in a more appropriate forum?

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In my defense - I was compared to Mother Teresa.   

 

But yeah, sure, I don't actually feel all that great need to talk about her, but I'm kind of a **bleep**-for-tat discusser. Point-counterpoint and all that.

 

Although I won't be going elsewhere to discuss MT. But yeah, I can shut up about her. 


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And as I said before they are young.  And as Judge Judy said not fully cooked.

 

At 22+ yrs,  if still not fully cooked, the heat's been on too low


It is a very complicated world out there, more then when I was young.

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In my defense - I was compared to Mother Teresa.   

 

But yeah, sure, I don't actually feel all that great need to talk about her, but I'm kind of a **bleep**-for-tat discusser. Point-counterpoint and all that.

 

Although I won't be going elsewhere to discuss MT. But yeah, I can shut up about her. 

 

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Someone note the day and time.innocent


 

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It is a very complicated world out there, more then when I was young.

 

On social issues, yes.  Though it seems like a lot of folks, both young and old, are keen to gump it down based on perceived tribe.  (le mot du jour)

 

On practical ones, like managing ones money - seems that we've graduated a whole generation of kids who don't know how to make change and wouldn't know if they were shortchanged $3 or if they'd shortchanged someone else $3. 

 

I suppose it is small wonder that easy money schemes are so seductive to some.


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@sandmansaleswrote:

So your SIL listed an item he did not have in his possession. Then sold said item and turned around and gave a perfect stranger almost 9 grand?

I'm not seeing the scam. What am I missing.

 

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1. Scam #1 is that a buyer paid over $8K for a watch that was never received. Luckily, the buyer was protected by eBay and Paypal policies.

 

2. Scam #2 is that some unknown party committed to ship an item, accepted $$ for doing so, and then did not do so.

 

3. Scam #3 is that the party whose Paypal account accepted the  buyer's payment.  and who then turned a portion of those funds over to someone else (the unknown party in Scam #2), did not attempt to repay even a portion of those funds to the party who assumed the $ loss and reimbursed the buyer or subsequently to the collection agency who attempted to recover the loss on that party's behalf.

 

Similarly, despite knowing that criminal fraud had occurred, no report was made to law enforcement.

 

 


I think we all got trolled here... OP not answering any more questions, and too much of this makes no sense. Even if someone were desperate for money (and I know some in my life time), the rules governing the use of Paypal and eBay prevent this level of stupidity.

 

Cheers, C.

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" the rules governing the use of Paypal and eBay prevent this level of stupidity"

 

 

False.

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