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Fraud or not Fraud... this is the question

Where do I start... from paypal holding my money? Or from Fedex putting a limit on the value I want to ship? 
I recently put for sale a Rolex on eBay, somebody won the auction and now I will have to put this "box" in someone's hands and hoping to not being screwed from a third pary (courier or buyer).  Paypal put the money on hold (so if something goes wrong they won't lose a penny), I find myself being paranoid and, because I think too much, I also have a feeling that something can go wrong for real.

Let's put it this way. I want to use FedEx (this is the company I trust the most) and once at their office they told me I can only declare $1000 for the value of the watch.  So if they lose the box they will give me $1000 (much much less of the value as you can imagine) Let's say I trust FedEx and I know they won't lose it and I ship it to the buyer anyway. Now, the buyer paid with paypal using a relative's verified account, same address (is it the same? I don't know if this guy lives there for real, but at least the same last name and shipping address match). What can go wrong? I don't know, but (and here I'd like to receive suggestions) what happen if the buyer says that the box was empty, or if the watch is a counterfeit and sends me back the counterfeit or the empty box? Paypal will give him his money back and nothing to me. FedEx won't pay me a penny cause they delivered the box safely. At least if I have his money I can fight the issue. Are buyer protected? (I read ebay buyer protection and made me laugh) 

Thanks for your time folks!

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Frankly, if you haven't yet shipped the item, cancel sale immediately, issue full refund, take what's coming as far as defect, put rolex in safe, list Timex!!

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@giorgiousa2016 wrote:
When paypal held the payment I started getting worried. Why they didn't stop me from selling then?

PayPal doesn't want to stop you from selling it.

 

They just want to make sure that if the buyer gets refunded, it will be your money that refunds him, not PayPal's money.

 

Generally speaking, a buyer on eBay can steal any item that is shipped to them. That is why I won't list anything I cannot afford to lose outright.

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And no.  They won't stop you from selling if you cancel once, or twice, or even 3 times.......  

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Frankly, if you haven't yet shipped the item, cancel sale immediately, issue full refund, take what's coming as far as defect, put rolex in safe, list Timex!!

 
 Would it not be more beneficial to a seller to simply not ship, and refund in full when the INR claim is made?   Making the buyer "whole"  would not be a defect in this situation.  Cancelling the sale earns the seller a super DEFECT.  Does not make sense to do this. 
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Struggle with the whole "defect" heirarchy.  

 

But yes, DO NOT ship!

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Sometimes I just lose myself, and forget where I'm at.

 

a). Seller sells item.  Buyer red flags.  Buyer pays.  Seller uneasy.  Cancels sale, refunds buyer ( now back to "whole"), sends buyer honest email explaining cancellation, saying simply "I don't trust you.  Have a nice day".  

 

b).  Seller sells item.  Buyer red flags.  Buyer pays.  Seller uneasy.  Does NOT ship item.  Can do one of 2 things, notify buyer item won't be shipped, thus giving buyer a heads up on what THEY'LL actually have to do, INR claim, etc.  Then buyer waits.  Or, ignore buyer, let buyer figure it out for themselves, buyer then figures out no shipment will be made, they have to do INR claim, wait.

 

Now which one is worse again?  (and don't be thrown off by the "honest" in a).)

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He is a member since 2001, more than 50 FBs and only one on the last 12 months. He is 100% positive. A scammer would have shorter life I think and maybe less FBs
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Actually I see now that the 100% positive is based only on the ONE sale during the last 12 months, not based on all his life on ebay 😞
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@giorgiousa2016 wrote:
He is a member since 2001, more than 50 FBs and only one on the last 12 months. He is 100% positive. A scammer would have shorter life I think and maybe less FBs

Yup- there are no rules from having multiple accounts. And buying small items to build up feedback. 

To lull a seller into a false sense of security that they are an established buyer.

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