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Ebay is too controlling True or False?

I am a member of 10+ years here and Im feeling like I dont even own my stuff I sell. The fees are getting too high, dont have any control of my listings with them adding best offers when they feel like it or charging shipping fees on top of already high shipping prices to ship our items, my fees are based on their messed up grading system and much more like no protection for us. REALLY@@!! I have ended all my listings and refuse to sell here anymore until who ever owns EBAY understands all you are doing is hosting our stuff and should charge only for that, paypal is a separate entity and does charge a small fee for their part, but it is within reason!!! We are not in school and dont need to be graded for higher fees, on stuff we own. All you need to do is host and add the paypal link in the ad. Thats it.

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I don't know how ebay will do it,

but etsy charges the state tax during checkout and the buyer already knows this from the listing.

 

They only charge for same state buyers.

Ex.

- I live in PA,  buyers in PA pay the tax.

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I think with the trend going in the opposite direction more now as far as limiting certain conditions for a return. Geez even AMZ is permanantly banning buyers now, that eventually people might consider other sites who are a bit more stringent in their return criteria, even online, where is is really different than a B& M store.  Sellers do not like having to continually eat costs selling online,, it defeats the whole purpose of selling online to begin with where it should be cheaper to sell.

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I also thought that the fees are fair here (except shipping).

 

Because it used to cover protection, taxes and services.

I also liked the idea of self promotion, like guides and collections and following (promoting) other sellers for different components.

I Had A Solid Plan. (so I thought)

 

Now it seems that those options are gone, if they bring it back, they'll probably charge you for it and I can't just raise prices to cover that too.

Thats where I see it going.

 

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@the*dog*ate*my*tablecloth wrote:

Sellers are essentially being penalized for being out of stock and for refusing returns. Those are the requirements for sellers now. Sellers need to realize that things are not going to be 100% sunshine and rainbows and sometimes they have to take returns they don't want to.

 

That's not including fraud. Anyone who has been repeatedly reported for fraud should be gone.

 

Don't get me started on the whole Ebay is changing listings thing. I think that's terrible for sellers AND for buyers. Ebay doesn't really care what I think though.

 

 


I totally agree with you on this. Ebay doesn't care - but the days of a business actually taking a personal interest in employees is long gone. My point is Ebay - or the powers that be - aren't looking in the best interests long term for themselves or selers or buyers period. We choose to sell here tho - so in the end - it's our decsion to abide by the rules or not.

 

We've been having similar discussions for the past 15 yrs about the lack of seller protection and it only gets worse - but many of us still survive and will continue to do so until we find a more viable alternative or the straw that broke the camel's back happens.

 

I feel bad for sellers who come here after being here all these years and say they are leaving. I hate to see the responces that are often callous as we have no idea most times - what they've endured - on;y that straw that broke the camel's back - which doesn't seem sufficient to leave for some - but we don't know the back stories and what lead up to the final straw.

 

We've lost many good sellers who have tried to do the right thing and were an asset and then we have many sellers who could give 2 *hits and buyers use experiences with them to condemn us all.

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@dr.clockenstien wrote:

@castlemagicmemories wrote:

 


I'm so glad you are not offended.  I'm sorry my experiences have jaded me.  You know many of us have been here since the beginning.  So it grieves us to see and acknowledge these things.  But I hope you come back soon.  


Thank you very much for that.

It was painful to leave, but if all these new problems prove to be right, I really hope the best for all of you.

I know I could be wrong, it's not the first time.

And I am not a fool to think that et$y may not do the same thing some day, but I thought that I might try to get my foot in the door before it becomes too saturated for me.

 

Please don't be sorry, for your experiences.   They are what educates us.

Besides, what if this is just the middle of a journey?

I respect your long history as a member and the insight you give.

 

 

Long time sellers have helped me see how ebay was in the past.

I've been shopping here off and on since '00 and frequently since '06.

 

I only made my first sale Feb - Apr '17, as a beta test and had begun to get my name out there, my customer service reputation was great,  I bought more product and I 'opened shop' in Jul the same year then the interferences began to happen.

The BO campaign grounded me before I even took off.

 

I stuck with it until they tried it a gain in Feb '18, I searched ebay to complain, but instead

I found the community from somewhere in the help menu, and here I am.

After learning more about everything that ebay was doing with the new design, that answered a lot of questions for me, and it made sense.

 

It can't work for me with that kind of pressure, alot of the regulars in my department are stingy enough.  

They didn't return because now they think I'm lying about fairness in price and now they can undercut me.  That is not very likely.

BO really messed it up for me!

 

My old friend once told me "You know it's time to change, when it hurts more to stay the same way."

 

I at least hope to keep in touch.

 


Thank you so much for your kindness, patience and understanding.  I am sorry for my experiences because this shows me they have changed me in a way I never wanted to be changed.  Empathy and understanding are important to me; they are who I am.  I am grateful to Tuni for her perspective; it's a wake up call to me.  It shows where I failed.  I never want to be that person who doesn't see the big picture, or who doesn't understand the individual.  Anger over SNADS and abusive treatment built up.  I just thought, standards, we can certainly use standards.  Tuni reminded me the standards aren't helping.  The defect system is harsher on small sellers, and they are the backbone of Ebay, IMO.

 

I feel sad that you barely started selling and this happens, but you are wise and will do well regardless.  I wish you all the best in the future and will hope you are able to come back here.  

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Well sure. However, I would definitely have to look up that information first. That's my point.

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energy flows where attention goes

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Wait a minute, "sellers are being penalized for being out of stock". What?

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As someone else said, it really doesn't matter how many of us quit selling on Ebay, they will always have their China market. However, I can sympathize with you.  I am tired of the grading system and the fees and buyers who caqn claim item not as described (even when it is exactly as described) so that they can return it on my dollar or even worse, just keep it and still get their money back as Ebay says is ok. I am letting my listings end and when all have ended, no more Ebay for me.

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Every year ebay comes up with new policies and says except them or we will take away your top rated seller badge or your 10% discount or something else. The good news is they are running out of things to take away.  I told them to stick it two months ago and closed my store and removed all the items I had for sale. I hope some China seller takes my place they can have it all.

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@mycarolinavintage wrote:

Wait a minute, "sellers are being penalized for being out of stock". What?


If you cancel a completed sale for the reason of "out of stock" you will receive a defect. Out of stock can mean you broke the item or it's no longer available because it sold elsewhere, etc. Ebay frowns upon this of course because it breaks buyer confidence.

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@vintagecraze50 wrote:

I think with the trend going in the opposite direction more now as far as limiting certain conditions for a return. Geez even AMZ is permanantly banning buyers now, that eventually people might consider other sites who are a bit more stringent in their return criteria, even online, where is is really different than a B& M store.  Sellers do not like having to continually eat costs selling online,, it defeats the whole purpose of selling online to begin with where it should be cheaper to sell.


That goes both ways. The prices of items are then in turn raised to cover these losses and the honest buyers end up losing out and paying more too!

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That's not including fraud. Anyone who has been repeatedly reported for fraud should be gone.

 

I failed to chime in earlier and wholeheartedly agree with this. 

 

Unfortunately, on the seller side, fraud isn't even a "defect" around here.  I gave up reporting seller fraud a long time ago, they never do anything.  They've got sellers with dozens of neg.s for counterfeit items, some with badges!  Just refund when you get caught or called on it, and you can do fraud all day around here.

 

And on the buyer side... there isn't even any such thing as a defect.  I can block for policy violations... if they have four!  Is buyer fraud a policy violation?  Can buyers even get a policy violation? 

The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves.
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Please, are you trying to scare me? 

 

No, certainly not.  I hope I'm wrong about all of this.

 

No returns.  Just largely SNADS.  So my account is not in any danger of suspension.

 

IDK... eBay calls SNADs a "Return Request".  Are you sure they wouldn't count that as a return?

 

As I said, I settle a lot.   Should I have to?  I don't think so. 

 

I don't either.   But I've "settled" too.  Taken a partial refund, fixed a broken item.  I've had what I call SNAD items that, if I'd read between the lines of the description better... if I'd studied the photo a little closer (despite what the description said), I'd have known about the problem that made it SNAD.   I mostly just live with my mistake on those, no settle involved.   

 

Only if it is absolutely unacceptable and necessary do I open a case.  

 

Same here.  Most sellers, they'll do something to prevent that from happening.  The Chinese often just refund and abandon.  I've had sellers send a part, send a new item, issue a partial refund (for something substandard or misdescribed, but still usable).  I've had them offer 50% refund for a totally unusable item.  I still don't open a dispute, I tell them it's unacceptable, and explain to them I will open a dispute if they don't fix it.  I don't think I've opened but a couple of disputes ever.  But that starts with knowing how to contact the seller without opening a dispute right off the bat... most buyers don't know this (or open disputes immediately anyhow, for various reasons)... they just head down the "resolve a problem" road, pick "not as described". 

 

But I must agree with you in that the seller has no control over what the carrier does, that is an unfair thing to judge.  I know that if my item takes a trip around the country, that is not the seller's fault.

 

Well, with the dented water bottle someone just cited here... the seller needs to fix that somehow.  Refund, send another bottle, return/refund, etc.  It's not their fault it got dented (maybe), but if they fix it, it shouldn't count as any kind of demerit to their account at all - not as a "return", or a "defect" or anything. 

The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves.
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(Accidentily hit Post...)

 

I don't agree with you on the feedback system weeding out bad sellers, because bad buyers can use that to try to blackmail a seller, or as revenge if they don't get their own way.  While I would never do this, I l know others have and would.  Just as sellers would post false negs for buyers in response to an honest neg.   

 

When I started buying here, it was all buyers had.  Yeah, there was some nonsense going on.  But if you studied it a bit... looked at the feedback left and recieved of both parties to a bad transaction... for all their bad transactions... you could tell pretty quick which one that left the neg. was legit and which one was the problem.  Seller has 30 neg.s for counterfeit item, and left 30 negs. for "claimed counterfeit, scamming buyer!", but most of the buyers had few if any neg.s claiming this from other sellers - plus, you could see the listing!  Sure enough, the seller sold a counterfeit coin, there it is! 

 

I'm not suggesting buyers should have been forever sifting through that stuff, eBay should have been sifting through that stuff, and should have eliminated the users committing fraud - on either side of transactions.  Once they had the ability to prevent the user from reappearing on another ID, it would have worked.  But they gave up on it before then, and they never did enough of it anyhow.  And high volume sellers with account managers were scamming away and delivering poor service with impunity, they never got sanctioned for anything. 

 

i've realized lately that sellers are getting penalized for buyer's remorse returns, or in other words, any returns, with lowered visibility and sales.  If the buyer doesn't read the listing, and returns, that is not the seller's fault.  If the buyer doesn't know that what they bought is not what they need, that is not the seller's fault. 

 

Now there's a whole multitude of problems.  Buyers that aren't shown the description, buyers that went with the eBay Catalog info. (that was in error, or was for the wrong product), buyers who use the Zappos model and buy 10 pairs of shoes at once with every intention of returning 9 of them because of "free" return shipping, buyers who would rather just buy and see if it's what they needed rather than making sure it is what they needed before buying (also encouraged by "free" returns), buyers who bought the completely wrong item (thought they were buying something else) because of the new "buy box" page issues... none of that is the seller's fault. 

 

Which leads us to the new 30 Day Free Returns thing.  I think that's going to be an epic trainwreck.  Not just on the seller side (which has been discussed here quite a bit), but on the buyer side.  Sure, that sounds good to buyers, but eBay attempted to fix the "faulty return" problem with a partial refund provision.  Buyers are going to hit the roof, because the "free" return ended up costing them money.  Buyers are going to distrust the MBG program, because it's included in that, so whatever benefit the MBG has provided (not without great pain to sellers) will be undercut.  And eliminating the re-stocking fee is supposedly going to end false SNADs to avoid the fee, but the fee was at least visible to the buyer at the time of purchase.  Sellers - at eBay's direction and with eBay's blessing - are going to use the partial refund to replace the re-stocking fee (open box return, missing tags, etc.).  But buyers will not know it's coming, they'll scream bloody murder, and probably file at PayPal to recoup the rest of the payment (even though they're supposed to appeal to eBay), then eBay and PayPal will start Sgt. Schultz-ing buyers.  Sellers are conditioned to this sort of treatment by eBay/PayPal by now, but it's going to be a total shock to buyers.

 

Like I said, I hope I'm wrong... but this has the makings of the mother of all bad ideas written all over it.  In just a few days now, we shall see.

The Floggings Will Continue Until Morale Improves.
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When I buy on ebay I buy FROM ebay, not the seller. Ultimatly I hold ebay accountable. Ebay provides the protection. The good sellers rides the coat tales.  We have more good sellers than buyers. Mostly  because some buyers don't know what they're doing.  Less often scamers.  

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