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Ebay closed case in Buyer's favor when my return policy is NO Returns.

Item listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=112545772764&view=all&tid=1734909162001

 

The buyer opened a cased against me because his mother did not like the product. 

I've sold all of this product withou any problems and on Amazon the product is listed as 5/5 stars.

 

Ebay closed this in buyer's favor. Also the thing is.. the buyer already sent the item without confirming with me and the address listed is my old address. I no longer reside there.

 

If my policy is no returns and there is no defect in the product.. why would ebay side with the buyer. I end up losing postage fees and selling fees.

 

here is the conversation that went between myself and the buyer. I was also willing to offer partial refund.

 

Nov. 28 :
A return request initiated
 
Nov. 28 :
Case opened
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Since the product didn t work for my mom, I went ahead and shipped the 3 bottles back to the seller on my own expense, he is informing me that he is doing a partial refund, which is not right..I never used the 3 bottles and shipped them back to him on my own expense and I demand a full refund!
 
Nov. 28 :
You sent a message
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See attached photos
 
Nov. 28 :
You sent a message
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Postage fees were paid by me. eBay does not return the fees I also paid. To return this product I would lose out on shipping fees. eBay and PayPal fees. My auction listing policy for this item is no returns as I am only a 3rd party seller and not the manufacturer of this product. This product is also 5/5 stars and I am sold out of this product without any problem. I am willing to do a partial refund to make things right even though I am not obligated to.
 
Nov. 28 :
The buyer sent you a message
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I'm expecting the full refund since you asked me to send them back to you and did ship them on my own expense.. I would like to know when you get them back and when shall I expect the refund.
 
Nov. 28 :
You sent a message
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I can accept the return if the bottles are still sealed. Refund will be partial refund. It will be the total amount minus the postage fee and eBay fees. Please let me know.
 
Nov. 21 :
You sent a message
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No problem! Are the bottles still sealed? Please send me the a photo and I can quickly process this return for you. -Carol
 
Nov. 21 :
The buyer requested a return
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Sorry.. I understood late from my mother that the same pills I had ordered for her the first time didn t help or do anything to her, so I decided to return the other ones I ordered afterwards!!
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@hiddentreasurez23 wrote:

 


Nov. 28 :
You sent a message
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I can accept the return if the bottles are still sealed. Refund will be partial refund. It will be the total amount minus the postage fee and eBay fees. Please let me know.
 
Nov. 21 :
You sent a message
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No problem! Are the bottles still sealed? Please send me the a photo and I can quickly process this return for you. -Carol
 
Nov. 21 :
The buyer requested a return
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Sorry.. I understood late from my mother that the same pills I had ordered for her the first time didn t help or do anything to her, so I decided to return the other ones I ordered afterwards!!

You said youd authorize the return. Its right there in black and white...

 

As for her getting the wrong address, did she get it off the package or from ebay?

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Yes offer returns.  You can state in your return policy Item must be received by me as described and shown in the listing with no signs of use or damage.  If you Really do not want to have to do returns you can charge a restocking fee...I only do this on "free shipping"

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If a seller does not offer returns, by default the return request IS a SNAD because there is no other option for returns on listings that have "No Returns". It really shouldn't even be an option on listings because eBay's policy overrides listing policy.
"No Returns" is merely a channel to automatic SNADs. So if the seller does not accept, eBay rules in favor of buyer.
That is what happened with the OP. She didn't "accept", but didn't decline (because you CAN'T decline a SNAD return). OP failed to understand this when she refused to accept the return, and eBay ruled in buyer's favor.
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Technically, Ebay MBG overrides a seller's no returns policy.

 

This one is convuluted but I suppose the theory is that it was advertised as doing something that the buyer feels it did not, so therefore, that made it a SNAD.

 

Don't forget to BBL.

 

Sorry this happened to you.

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@slati_2013

Not everything. I sell handmade jewelry. According to International law, it's not refundable category of products.

But Ebay forced me to make a refund on remorse reason, item was as describe.

There is no rights on Ebay for selles, unfortunetely.

Buy the way, I've never got my return back... buyer stayed with money and with a product! This is how it works, Ebay.

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@hiddentreasurez23 wrote:

yes you are correct.

 

he messaged asking for a return.. then provided no response.. ships it back (hasn't provided tracking yet).. then opened a return request before i even had the chance to resolve anything. i wasn't even aware that he shipped it back until he left a message saying he did.

 

the reason he chose for the return is "defect"

 

 


The first message on Nov 21 (22 in the return screen) is "buyer has requested a return" with comments.

 

So ... yes ... the buyer DID open a return request...on Nov 21 (or 22 ... time zone, maybe?)

 

Your response to that was "send pics so I can initiate the RETURN"

 

 

 

penguins_dont_fly is a Volunteer Community Mentor
Buying and Selling since 2013

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@artsteampunk wrote:

@slati_2013

Not everything. I sell handmade jewelry. According to International law, it's not refundable category of products.

But Ebay forced me to make a refund on remorse reason, item was as describe.

There is no rights on Ebay for selles, unfortunetely.

Buy the way, I've never got my return back... buyer stayed with money and with a product! This is how it works, Ebay.


You either never accepted the SNAD return or never sent a pre-paid return label, thus you lost the item and the money. Almost EVERYTHING on eBay is returnable/refundable.

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Always choose 14 days retun accepted with 20% restocking fee.  ( I don't know if can we set higher) Also don't list your item so cheep.  "No returns accepted" is a E-bay's cheat to the sellers. If you don't accept retuns, you will give your item as a gift to the buyer.  Most buyers know that. 

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@redrozi2013 wrote:

Always choose 14 days retun accepted with 20% restocking fee.  ( I don't know if can we set higher) Also don't list your item so cheep.  If you don't accept retuns, you will give your item as a gift to the buyer.  Most buyers know that. 


@redrozi2013 You need to read the spring seller update. Restocking fees are no longer allowed.



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There was a way for seller,  did  E bay  block it ? 

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@redrozi2013 wrote:

There was a way for seller,  did  E bay  block it ? 


It was announced in the spring 2018 update that restocking fees are no longer allowed. Will go into effect in June. 



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eBay and PayPal ALWAYS side with buyer. The main reason of this practice is to minimize possible buyer's credit card charge back to save their cost and make more profit. Buyer can file charge back with credit card issuer WITHOUT LOSING ONE PENNY even later on dispute is found in favor of seller (Buy never pays fees for a dispute regardless of the outcome).  While eBay and PayPal have to spend money to process charge backs: money for labor (hire people to process) and office and possible penalty when case loses.

 

I had a case where the buyer bought the wrong item and sent back to unauthorized address found on the sender's section of the shipping label of the package, without evening contacting me or officially requesting return for an official return address. I had moved and the returned item was lost.

After the item tracking shows "delivered" on UPS site, the buyer requested refund from me. Obviously since I moved and never received the return, I refused refund. Buyer then requested return in PayPal for fake reason "item is defective". I had to accept it and authorized the return to the NEW address. The buyer just inputted the tracking number and PayPal immediately issued him full refund. I appealed and failed. The PayPal agent says although the tracking shows item was returned BEFORE return request was made, and was delivered to a different city (old address) other than the one (new address) I specified, it still counts as a "valid" return address because the distance between the old and new address is so "close" . When I asked how close is deemed as close enough to be counted as valid return address, the agent says it is completely at PayPal's sole discretionLet's imagine a revered case, if seller ships item to a "close enough" city other than the original one on the order, I seriously doubt eBay/PayPal will deem the addres is valid and side with seller when buyer says not received..

 

In another crazy return case, buyer is supposed to return TWO items. However he messaged me in eBay "I have disposed the one of them so I can only send back one, not two". I had to respond "OK, please send back the only one you have at hand". Eventually I really received only one back.  I wanted to charge restocking fees so I called eBay custom service. You know what the agent sad to me?? "Well, I see you messaged the buyer you are OK to receive one of them, not two. The message is deemed as an AGGREEMENT between you seller and your buyer. So even the buyer really returned only one, you cannot refuse full refund or charge restocking fees" --- So what is the final outcome? The buyer got one $150 item for free, and I lost $150, wasted more than one hour on phone with eBay agents, and received a defect on my seller performance because I called to open a case that was sided with buyer.

 

There are tons of sad stories like these. No help to complain. You have to accept or you cannot sell online. That's cost of doing bunnies. Unless the credit card charge back rules are changed to being more favorable to seller, the situation where seller is always disadvantaged in dispute will never change.

 

Remember, eBay and PayPal ALWAYS (not 100% but at least 99%) side with buyer. Take this into account and think it carefully if you can afford the loss before you start to sell.

 

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The buyer got one $150 item for free, and I lost $150, wasted more than one hour on phone with eBay agents, and received a defect on my seller performance because I called to open a case that was sided with buyer.

You didn't lose $150.

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Welcome to eBay! The buyers have all the rights. You can't leave negative feedback for a buyer that doesn't pay and even if you list NO RETURNS... the buyer can return the item and the seller pays the shipping back. I just had one on a cell phone listed as no returns and sold as is. I had to chase the buyer for payment and I guess filing a non payment report with eBay **bleep** her off. She finally paid for the item and then claimed I misrepresented the GB storage. I did not mention how much storage the phone had in my listing and I explained that to her, as well as eBay. eBay just sent me a message and said they were sending her a mailing label at my expense. So much for them to even look at my original listing. The buyer is always right and there is nothing you can do about it. I'm sure some buyers do this over and over with no repercussion. I've had buyers steal parts from an item and then return it. It is what it is I guess!
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yes and ebay found in favor of the buyer and kept FVF fee too (even though you lost a sale) and the buyer said it was as described too they just didnt need it

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