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EBay refunded payment to buyer without requiring return of item

EBay settled a disputed charge by a buyer's credit card company by refunding her payment, allowing the buyer to retain a $1,400 chandelier and getting a refund. I advised EBay that I had a statement from my electrician confirming that my description of the item was accurate, but it apparently didn't get into the review. What recourse do I have to compel the buyer to return this item?

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You don't have any recourse at all. When a customer files a chargeback with their credit card, this isn't time to decide who is right or wrong. It is time to grovel and beg so maybe you can get your item back.

 

In this case your best course of action would be to contact the buyer and ask them to please return the item and provide then a return shipping label and hopefully they cooperate. 

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@chocho-chocho wrote:

im a new seller here, and i really hope this will not happen to me 😞 im really afraid - ive read a lot about this here so... 


@chocho-chocho Just wanted to assure you—most transactions go off without a hitch. Have been a small seller here for over ten years and have never had a single fraudulent buyer.

 

Keep in mind that the stories shared in the forums are a miniscule fraction of the millions of users on eBay. So be cautious, not fearful. These horror stories can cause a seller to be afraid of every buyer, including the occasional one with a legitimate concern. There can be an erosion of trust if one allows it, that makes it harder to sell when one reacts with constant worry. 

Most buyers are honest, so it is good to just take it one transaction at a time. Prepare yourself by learning the Money Back Guarantee policy, Buyer Requirements, and the eBay User Agreement. Knowledge is the best defense against the scammers. Its important to know what they do, so you can protect your account.

 

Understand that eBay has the buyer’s interests first and foremost. Seller protections are limited, but do exist. We have the Blocked Buyer list, tracking protection for Item Not Received claims, Shipping Exclusions, and Buyer Requirements. There is no seller protection for Item Not As Described claims or credit card disputes. Those are risks that are hard to mitigate.

 

When advising friends and family on how to sell on eBay, i emphasize withholding expensive things until some feedback has been built up, and to initially avoid listing items in the high scam categories (such as gaming, smartphones, computers, high dollar electronics, luxury goods, etc.). 

So prepare for the worst, but go into each transaction expecting a problem-free experience. Save the worry for when something actually happens. If it does, then come to the forums for guidance if needed—there is always help on tap. Wish you much success here and the best of luck.

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Thank you so much @fashunu4eeuh ❤️❤️❤️❤️

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@jakni_5 wrote:

You don't have any recourse at all. When a customer files a chargeback with their credit card, this isn't time to decide who is right or wrong. It is time to grovel and beg so maybe you can get your item back.

 

In this case your best course of action would be to contact the buyer and ask them to please return the item and provide then a return shipping label and hopefully they cooperate. 


Or advise them that a report has been made to their local police station and to expect a visit shortly.

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@releasethekraken_1 wrote:

@gwens*4saleitems* wrote:

Your listing shows that you do not accept returns.  That tells eBay and everyone else that you don't want the item back.

That is the reason that your buyer was able to keep the item and get a refund.


Utter nonsense. Why do people post things like this?

 

”No returns” means no returns for buyer remorse.

 

[smh]


You are right, but most of us see it as "No Returns in ANY situation" and that is quite simply not true.  I do however appreciate the clarification, so the reason the buyer kept the item and got a refund was because it wasn't buyers remorse.
So we should explain next, how is the seller supposed to get the item back?

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eBay will one day be regulated. It's policies like this that ensure it will be.

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Thank you for this post.

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@titipeo wrote:

@releasethekraken_1 wrote:


A statement from your electrician is worthless. They could lie or the statement could be faked.


You can buy those statements on eBay, similar to certificate of authenticity. It holds no value. 


Actually I make my own, find templates through Google, for free.

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Two problems with your post:

 

1) If you really DO file a police report, it is unlikely anything will happen. My father had his ID stolen and someone in a city in the same state bought a motorcycle in his name. He went through a very long process with an attorney, and the police in his and the fraudster's city declined to pursue the matter.

 

2) If you DON'T file a report but are just trying to scare the fraudster by saying you did, you are lying. It's illegal to file a false police report, but on the other hand, what are the ethics/legality of lying about filing a police report? Is that a crime too? I don't know, but seems like it could have legal repercussions.

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EBay settled a disputed charge by a buyer's credit card company by refunding her payment, allowing the buyer to retain a $1,400 chandelier 

 

@cai_2666 

When a buyer bypasses the eBay claim system and files directly with their payment processor,  a "return" is not required for the buyer to get their money back for a SNAD complaint.  It doesn't really matter if you have a return policy that accepts returns or one that states no returns.  

There is no option in the Payment Dispute to select "return for refund" or send a return shipping label to the buyer.  Either the seller refunds and lets the buyer keep the item for free,  or submits their "picture" and waits for a month or so before the buyer is refunded anyway and gets to keep the merchandise for free with an additional $20 charge tacked on.   

Any item on eBay can be had for "free".  This is becoming the most expedient way to do it.  Expect more of the same be the products new or used. 


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In my case the dishonest buyer made a claim that was proven false by ebay and sided in my favor and then the dishonest buyer made a completely different claim and lied to the financial institution and then ebay did nothing even when they clearly had proof of  the fraud right in the messages the buyer sent and ebay allowed them a full refund. Ebay does not care about sellers.

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EBay's policy states: "If the buyer is sending an item back because it doesn’t match the listing description or it arrived damaged or faulty, you’re responsible for the cost of return shipping, even if you don’t offer returns. "  There is no exception for CC disputes stated here.  

 

Regardless of the merits of this specific case, it appears to me that EBay's CC Dispute procedure is deficient, arbitrary, capricious, and self-serving in the following respects:

 

1.  When notified of the dispute, EBay provides lists the category for the buyer's complaint:  ITEM DOES NOT MATCH LISTING DESCRIPTION.  The lack of information about the seller's allegations makes it difficult to dispute the allegation.  

2.  EBay limits your response to a handful of photos, and does provide a field to include a summary of prior communication with the buyer, or supporting documentation that confirm the item status.

3.  EBay sets a short deadline to respond to the buyer's allegations, and counts weekend days as well as business days.  In my case, I had two calendar days to respond.

4. EBay does not allow subsequent sellers to submit supplemental evidence about the dispute after the initial submission, and does not provide a way to communicate with them about the dispute to identify what additional information they need to make an informed decision.

5.  EBay does not state its reasons for making its dispute resolution decisions, making it difficult to challenge the dispute successfully.

6.  EBay does not address the issue of buyer returns in its communication, leaving sellers wondering why the item was returned and how to retrieve their item from the happy buyer.  EBay's published return policy implies that sellers will receive a return in the event of a refund, provided they pay for shipping.

7.  By refunding the entire purchase price plus shipping to the buyer, EBay voids the original transaction and retrieves all proceeds from sellers' accounts.  However, they retain the state sales tax they collected for the now-voided transaction, as well as their own hefty transaction fees.  This policy is inconsistent with every other on-line retailer, including Amazon.  By retaining its share and the state tax share of the transaction proceeds, EBay appears to be violating its contractual responsibilities for backend transaction settlement.  

8.  EBay's CC refund/return practices do not seem calibrated to achieve a reasonable adjustment of interests between buyer and seller, probably because EBay sellers are a "captive class" with little to no power in this relationship.  If a buyer identifies a $10 issue with a $1,500 item that does not affect function or appearance, is it reasonable (or legal) for EBay to force the seller to forfeit the purchase price, the item, and incur double sales tax and Ebay fees?

 

I'm sure many of you feel that since you haven't been harmed by this practice in the past, and feel that it's "just the way things are done", or "Seller Beware", or "you should have known better".  While EBay's written policies and unwritten procedures regarding CC disputes may impact only a small percentage of transactions, this behavior can only encourage buyers to circumvent the standard EBay return policy to obtain our merchandise at no cost.   

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Sorry, typo:  Item (1) should read:  and does NOT provide a field to include a summary of prior communication with the buyer, or supporting documentation that confirm the item status.

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Geez:, I need to proof-read this better before I hit REPLY.   Item (3)should have read "business days" instead of "calendar days", as follows:

 

3.  EBay sets a short deadline to respond to the buyer's allegations, and counts weekend days as well as business days.  In my case, I had two calendar days to respond.

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if you  have had ebay refund such a claim: and did not get your item back: file fraud and theft with law enforcement.

That is what has happen to you. FRAUD AND THEFT.

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