02-01-2023
11:00 AM
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02-01-2023
12:22 PM
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kh-cathy
Based on other comments in the EBay forums about drastic drops in sales, the consensus is that eBay is trying to force small US business off of eBay in favor of the large Chinese. Many comments are about how eBay modified their sales algorithm about 6 months ago and it killed sales. I'm a top rated seller with 100% positive feedback and my sales are down around 90% and repeated communication with eBay has not helped.
Adding higher fees to most categories certainly fits in that scenario.
02-02-2023 03:01 PM
@stainlessenginecovers hit the nail on the head. There are more nails, but that's a biggie.
02-02-2023 03:05 PM
Im interested in hearing more about how the new algorithms work lol. My items speak to kidult collectors who love designer items or toys from the 80's.
02-02-2023 04:07 PM
You are absolutely right! But, as I'm sure you know, it doesn't do any good to try and point out the obvious. Read about the Great Reset, and you'll see it all. I'm an old gal and years ago a guy name of Bill Ayers lead an organization called the Weather Underground. They have a manifesto called Prairie Fire, it's a must read for those who don't believe that what's going on with the US society is a planned thing. Prairie Fire detailed exactly how to get us to where we are now. But, I'm not going to go into detail about it because the folks who think all is fine won't believe it, and those who know things are drastically changing need to read it for themselves.
eBay isn't at fault for falling sales, there are a ton of things in play, the economy being one of them. eBay does change algorithms from time to time, and one of those changes in the last couple of years is monitoring how often a shop puts up new listings. They've also messed with key word recognition, which is often not a good thing. A lot of the changes are made simply because there are so many fingers in the pie and each finger feels it has to make some kind of change in order to justify and keep their job. That happens in big corporations all the time. People get into positions where they can make change, and they make it just to show they are indeed working. In the long run, those type of changes are never a good thing, and usually just fall off over time.
Plus, people sometimes just won't take an inward look to see if maybe they're selling the wrong thing, or titling it wrong, or using the wrong keywords, or pricing too high...there are dozens of reasons for a shop not doing well, but right now it's the economy all the way around. People are just plain scared that things will get worse and although they might have gotten a good deal on that eBay item they've always wanted, they fear that later on it'll be the money that would have bought them a days worth of groceries, or a few gallons of gas, or helped pay a utility bill. My husband and I have a nice retirement and selling online is a way for me to downsize after more than 50 years worth of collecting so my kids don't have to deal with it, but even though we're doing fine, it still scares me that something will happen where we won't be doing fine. I've cut down on the buying big time. Instead of ordering endlessly on Amazon, I'm just saving things for later. And you are also right Richard...the middle class is taking the brunt of everything and are destined to disappear if something isn't done. The world is hurting and it isn't an accident. I'm not sure about Covid, but it's looking more and more like even it was a planned thing in order to hurt the economy more. Either that, or it was the greatest coincidence of all time. How do we bring this great economy to its knees? I know, we let one of those virus strains we've been experimenting with escape the Chinese bat cave and release it on the world. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it is worth thinking about. And then there's George Soros. Wow. What a time we live in.
02-02-2023 04:24 PM
@richard1rst wrote:
@homesaver2000 wrote:What schools are closed? How is the "current administration" "destroying America"? You sound like you are a bit out of your mind. Which you kind of are because you are trying to sell a $15.99 New Jersey Devils Mug for $29.99. That's not gonna work.
Ah yes, the dreaded Cognitive Dissonance.
First, where are you getting that $14.99. I did an eBay search and the only NEW $14.99 I found simply had the words New Jersey Devils printed on it. No logo - because that would incur additional licensing fees raising the price. I found some in and around that price but they are all pre-owned. Mine are brand new. I found a bunch of new MINI mugs. And by the way I am not “trying” to sell them at $29.99. I am in fact SELLING them at that price.
And the link you drove me to is not the same mug and it appears to be a special event coupon pricing with a time limit. Not really apples to apples.
Secondly there are currently 1400 schools across 278 districts across 35 states that are closed due to government panics over COVID.
Article is from September 2021, oops.
02-02-2023 04:34 PM
Further not to put too fine a point on it the US CDC was in huge part responsible for making sure SARS-1 and MERS did not go into a huge global pandemic. Yet mere months before Covid (Sars-2) reared up the CDC team at the Chinese Wuhan Lab was pulled out by the Trump administration and when the leader of that team asked why got no answers. When it was pressed they were told the 1 million dollar a year expense was the reason they were pulled out.
Yet, the US Government for the past 40 years has considered Pandemic the largest global threat facing mankind beyond rocks from outer space, global warming, war, economics or any other threat. An entire protocol for Pandemic was designed by the US Government and 110% completely ignored by that administration that actually told the people of the USA and thus being a President much of the world not to worry, its under control and was not under control in the least.
Reality class 101.
02-02-2023 04:48 PM
That, and the map in that article seems to show the majority of closures at that time were in deep red states. But something something Hunter Biden is all that really matters. 🙄
02-02-2023 05:05 PM
I sell mostly collectable glassware and I don't list many items. However, when I list a good item watchers are immediately attracted. Bids follow. I have no interest in selling low dollar items on eBay. I can do that locally. Just saying.
02-02-2023 06:40 PM
@richard1rst wrote:
@homesaver2000 wrote:What schools are closed? How is the "current administration" "destroying America"? You sound like you are a bit out of your mind. Which you kind of are because you are trying to sell a $15.99 New Jersey Devils Mug for $29.99. That's not gonna work.
Ah yes, the dreaded Cognitive Dissonance.
First, where are you getting that $14.99. I did an eBay search and the only NEW $14.99 I found simply had the words New Jersey Devils printed on it. No logo - because that would incur additional licensing fees raising the price. I found some in and around that price but they are all pre-owned. Mine are brand new. I found a bunch of new MINI mugs. And by the way I am not “trying” to sell them at $29.99. I am in fact SELLING them at that price.
And the link you drove me to is not the same mug and it appears to be a special event coupon pricing with a time limit. Not really apples to apples.
Secondly there are currently 1400 schools across 278 districts across 35 states that are closed due to government panics over COVID.
Destroying America? Haven’t you been paying attention? An open border allowing millions of illegals to cross seemingly at will (“A country that can not control its borders is not a country”), Inflation, homelessness, anti-police actions resulting in crime and murder willy nilly in the streets in broad daylight, smash and grab robberies forcing business out of business, political corruption between Joe and Hunter, the ill founded “green new deal” shutting down the fossil fuel industry causing shortage of gas for cars and fuel for power station which in turn result in massive blackouts in the middle of the winter.
I could go on( and on and on and on) but that is just some of the problems that can be laid directly at Biden’s feet.
To those who understand no explanation is necessary.
To those who do not no explanation will suffice.
Disagreeing with your stance is not 'cognitive dissonance'. I always thought you were a much more independent thinker than this - so sad, too bad.
02-02-2023 08:34 PM
@strugglinlikeyou wrote:I sell mostly collectable glassware and I don't list many items. However, when I list a good item watchers are immediately attracted. Bids follow.
This is honestly what it comes down to. Six of my sales last month happened within a week or two of me listing that particular item. Three more were within a week or so of me lowering the price on an item.
If you have things people want at prices they're willing to pay, they'll buy.
02-02-2023 11:17 PM
“Based on other comments in the EBay forums about drastic drops in sales, the consensus is that eBay is trying to force small US business off of eBay in favor of the large Chinese…”
The anecdotal information reported in the forums is too statistically small to base such a sweeping statement on. Is there any proof of general agreement among sellers that eBay is trying to rid itself of small US sellers? Is there quantifiable evidence that Chinese sellers are favored while US sellers are suppressed? We may have suspicions, but facts to back it up are hard to come by.
The latest info i could find is that US sellers make up the majority of sellers on the site. The breakdown is 31 percent of all eBay sellers are in the US. 29 percent are from the UK, Germany has 15 percent and just 12 percent are sellers from China (down from 17%) (Source: Statista)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1019999/ebay-sellers-location-by-country/
If eBay wanted to push out small US sellers, they could. So why do many of us still exist on the platform? I am a small seller and i don’t sense that eBay doesn’t want me here. In fact, my experience has been just the opposite.
eBay actively attempts to attract as many users as possible. It’s true that in years past, eBay has reached out to Chinese sellers and helped further their success here. They were given some preferential attention and help. But it doesn't automatically follow that just because eBay courted them, that this means the small US-based sellers are unwanted or undervalued.
Not saying this is not possible. Anything is possible. But it does not seem probable that eBay would shun members of its largest group of sellers in order to install a much smaller sect to greater prominence. Why would they do that?
It seems to me there is enough room for us all. Admittedly, the playing field is not even, but i don’t expect it to be. I expect eBay is going to do what’s best for eBay. Then it’s up to me to ensure my own success within those parameters.
02-02-2023 11:25 PM
I like the way you think
02-03-2023 04:39 AM
@stainlessenginecovers wrote:eBay doesn't give 2 cents as to whether a seller is BIG or SMALL- all the dollars add up and if you, as a SMALL, or BIG, seller- sells things creating $$ for eBay- that is
ALL THAT MATTERS!!
I don't buy that either though because if that were true they'd do a lot of things differently. Like mirco managing what people sell and such.
Honestly. What difference does it make if someone wants to sell a "rebel flag" or an item that contains the "rebel flag"? It's a part of history. American History! A BIG part. Civil War Re-enactors use them. States use them. TV shows use them. Movies use them. My point is if you don't want one, don't buy one. Don't search for it and you don't need to see it.
If it isn't illegal it shouldn't be regulated. Period.
Point being, if all ebay cared about was money they'd do a lot of things differently. There's more to it then just money. We just don't know what.
02-03-2023 04:46 AM
One good thing that may come about in the next decade or so is a return to American manufacturing. Which could bring about the end of "planned obsolescence". Since people will be forced to pay more for US made goods companies will have to go back to "long lasting quality made" goods to justify that higher price point. People won't stand for a Toaster that breaks in 6 months if they had to pay $30 for it. Things will start being made like they were "back in the day".
Prime example. I still have a tube TV from 1989 that still works! Never been repaired.
Remember when products, buildings, cars, etc were aesthetically pleasing? I do. Aesthetics were sacrificed in the name of "quick and cheap". We'll get back to that if things are made here in America again at a higher price point.
02-03-2023 08:31 AM
@fashunu4eeuh wrote:“Based on other comments in the EBay forums about drastic drops in sales, the consensus is that eBay is trying to force small US business off of eBay in favor of the large Chinese…”
The anecdotal information reported in the forums is too statistically small to base such a sweeping statement on. Is there any proof of general agreement among sellers that eBay is trying to rid itself of small US sellers? Is there quantifiable evidence that Chinese sellers are favored while US sellers are suppressed? We may have suspicions, but facts to back it up are hard to come by.
The latest info i could find is that US sellers make up the majority of sellers on the site. The breakdown is 31 percent of all eBay sellers are in the US. 29 percent are from the UK, Germany has 15 percent and just 12 percent are sellers from China (down from 17%) (Source: Statista)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1019999/ebay-sellers-location-by-country/
If eBay wanted to push out small US sellers, they could. So why do many of us still exist on the platform? I am a small seller and i don’t sense that eBay doesn’t want me here. In fact, my experience has been just the opposite.
eBay actively attempts to attract as many users as possible. It’s true that in years past, eBay has reached out to Chinese sellers and helped further their success here. They were given some preferential attention and help. But it doesn't automatically follow that just because eBay courted them, that this means the small US-based sellers are unwanted or undervalued.
Not saying this is not possible. Anything is possible. But it does not seem probable that eBay would shun members of its largest group of sellers in order to install a much smaller sect to greater prominence. Why would they do that?
It seems to me there is enough room for us all. Admittedly, the playing field is not even, but i don’t expect it to be. I expect eBay is going to do what’s best for eBay. Then it’s up to me to ensure my own success within those parameters.
Complex subject matter sir, America to largest extent albeit it true in handfuls of similar economic and political nations want China to compete fairly. Counterfeiting and theft of intellectual properties aside it's extremely difficult to compete against China's production abilities, labor wages, lack of entitlements towards labor, towards parcel's a subsidized freighting system and more.
Americans in particular are distressed as the American lifestyle is rather unique in this world along with order of scale and resist change. Many in the land view China as competing very unfairly and are quick to vocalize that but you won't ever hear them say that we need compete on China's terms... No. Yet history of the world is exactly that and/or physical conflict attempting force change.
Having emerged late in mass global commerce and trade China avoided many pitfalls other nations learned. They've centralized enormous amounts of manufacturing thus avoiding the need to freight parts and assemblies across significant distances towards final products for example. The main reason the US Government tries key on human rights violations in China is not American citizens passion to see a globe full of human dignity and rights, we can't even solve our own equality issues. It's essentially an attempt to spur the citizens of China to demand better as we cannot simply demand China change it's ways because said "ways" are disingenuous to Americans money orientation lifestyles. We love the five dollar shirts and plethora's of affordable products yet not to put to fine a point upon it are dense to how and why that occurs. A sort of blindered hypocrisy which seems to be becoming a norm across considerably more areas of thinking sad as that is.
Atop all this is the last administration did considerable damage to America's global position. One of the largest trade deals in human history in Eastern Asia regions had us without even a seat at the table due to a President mockery. Significant amounts of free Europe struck deals with China due to loss of confidence in the direction of the United States Government and that of which how they saw American citizens functioning under said administration. Much of free Europe was more shocked by 1/6 than American's as that's something believed could never happen here, the leader of the free world. It opened a window to how dysfunctional and easily misled so many in America have become. Free Europe knows this all too well having had bounds of centuries of war based in wrongful propaganda and leadership whereby the monuments still stand and exist.
eBay is a global marketplace and there is no way any US seller can go head to head on same product with a vendor from China if price is the pivot factor. Purchasing nationalism has long since left the minds of US citizens in favor of more for their money and thus lifestyle. It was said already twenty years ago in think tanks that if Americans spent a mere 15% of disposable income on products wholly made in the USA the economy booms. No administration nor party has taken up the cause of "Buy American" towards Americans as a focal continual message, granted, they can be words of war and the USA is in no position to take on China in conventional conflict. That said, the ONLY President in recent times to go a bit out on that limb is Joe Biden who actually has said a handful times and at least once to a nation "Buy American" right after his inauguration. The fact he's now ushering in more US based manufacturing is long long since overdue in the land but will consumers pay presumably higher prices or listen to the call to buy American actionably.
eBay has faced domestic pressures for quite sometime and as I'd said in another thread in my humble opinion the company has navigated the past thirty years quite expertly given those pressures. Ever so many citizens rely on eBay for full income or help makes ends meet and it seems to me there are times when folks should say, "Ask not what eBay can do for you but what you can do for eBay!" LOL.
Ok... Ok... a spun JFKism. But in all seriousness if the environment flounders the proverbial passengers drown with the ship as really there are few life raft points of sale. Perhaps eBay would be open to concepts of closer partnerships with vendors, a collective. Concepts such as focal sales days and dates whereby members of said collective (best vendors) have site wide or categorical sales that eBay could promote and orient on site. There are many days in the year albeit Friday, Saturday, Sunday tend be in eCommerce the purchase days given peoples pay days. Once a month lets say there is the eBay Rummage Sale whereby sellers approved to be in the collective can commit product at significant discount trying rid dead inventories. Perhaps eBay lessen fee's in favor of volume as greenbacks are green. Point all being there is so much product here and so much diversity therein and great sellers eBay could work with the "collective" towards targeted sales as well. "Entertainment days", "Clothing Days", "Car Crazy Days" etc whereby really decent bargains can be had.
I would suggest they be parceled into an area of the site as the targeted sale zone vs consumers having to try locate vendors willy nilly. All vendors of the collective taking part have some sort of special imaging in listings displaying there are of the collective albeit other vendors may run sales in parallel. It's a highly promotable concept for eBay advertising, draw consumers back in hopefully in droves and help move product in significant fashion.
I've ideas flowing out my eyeballs towards putting eBay back in the leadership role of eCommerce but there seems be no interface to the powers that beBay.
02-03-2023 09:21 AM
@retro_entertainment_collectibles You say (and I'm only quoting part of it): " Perhaps eBay would be open to concepts of closer partnerships with vendors, a collective. Concepts such as focal sales days and dates whereby members of said collective (best vendors) have site wide or categorical sales that eBay could promote and orient on site. "
I've been suggesting similar things for years. ebay talks a lot about how valuable we sellers are, and ebay does work directly with a limited number of sellers for things like Daily Deals, Livestreams, and even to get certain merchandise onto the site. But ebay has never really leveraged its seller base as an asset. ebay has been doing a good job of "milking" the base.....fee increases, Promoted Listings etc...but has never figured out how to really work with sellers.
Your suggestion is a good one. And I've repeatedly asked ebay to at the very least give us advance notice if they are going to be running a specific marketing or ad campaign so that we can try to benefit from it. But getting ebay to actually work with the seller base is an uphill battle.
I'd love to hear some of your other suggestions....