Do any of you think somethings should NOT be said here?

[s.scharmu0]

Hi!

      I know people are trying to be helpful HOWEVER I'm hoping I can explain this where you understand what I am trying to say. I have been wanting to write this for months now. HERE GOES:

Tide pods: There are people who eat them just to see if they are dangerous.

Tick Tock: People challenge each other to do "dumb" stuff.

The News: Tells people what is going on & others copycat it. ( I live close to Chicago) 

Here on Ebay: People tell other of scams. Yes to protect us good sellers. However, here on this board we have people from other countries, buyers only & probably people who are reading "how they can scam someone.

Also here on Ebay: People always talk about SNAD how the buyer always wins. 

Does anyone ever think about a buyer seeing this & thinking "maybe I should try that?". Giving them ideas.

I hope you are getting what I am trying to say/ask😊 

Good luck to all of you! Happy Holidays to everyone💖🙏

[bonjourami]

Ive thought that myself about the boards, but whats the alternative?

[frodobagginskennedy]

most folks do not even know this community exists.  

The you have the 60/20/20 rule.  60% of folks will NEVER scam. 20% will scam as that is theoir nature.  Then there is the other 20% they will do something wrong if given the opportunity

[blingfling123]

This is the LAST place people look at how to work scams, there are whole Reddits, YT channels. discords and FB groups that talk of nothing else but how to milk the system. 

[richard1rst]

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@s.scharmu0 wrote:

Hi!

      I know people are trying to be helpful HOWEVER I'm hoping I can explain this where you understand what I am trying to say. I have been wanting to write this for months now. HERE GOES:

Tide pods: There are people who eat them just to see if they are dangerous.

Tick Tock: People challenge each other to do "dumb" stuff.

The News: Tells people what is going on & others copycat it. ( I live close to Chicago) 

Here on Ebay: People tell other of scams. Yes to protect us good sellers. However, here on this board we have people from other countries, buyers only & probably people who are reading "how they can scam someone.

Also here on Ebay: People always talk about SNAD how the buyer always wins. 

Does anyone ever think about a buyer seeing this & thinking "maybe I should try that?". Giving them ideas.

I hope you are getting what I am trying to say/ask😊 

Good luck to all of you! Happy Holidays to everyone💖🙏

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An interesting point.

I do take exception the statement "The buyer always wins".

NOT if the seller responds properly and follows the guidelines the buyer does NOT always win. I know from personal experience - I've beaten them. Even credit card charge backs from months earlier "I don't recognize the transaction".  Proof of delivery to the stated address is all it has ever taken. The trick is to have the proof 4-5-6 months after the sale. But it takes an understanding of the rules. Too often we see posts that say "now what do I do" when they should already know that before they start selling.

[dbfolks166mt]

I do take exception the statement "The buyer always wins".

NOT if the seller responds properly and follows the guidelines the buyer does NOT always win. I know from personal experience - I've beaten them. Even credit card charge backs from months earlier "I don't recognize the transaction".  Proof of delivery to the stated address is all it has ever taken. The trick is to have the proof 4-5-6 months after the sale. But it takes an understanding of the rules. Too often we see posts that say "now what do I do" when they should already know that before they start selling.

For the 2 scenarios you describe the seller winning is understandable and is probably the result for most sellers.  How many NAD's have you had and how many have you won/lost. 

[dbfolks166mt]

     There are things which should not be posted here. About 90% of the postings from the Sri Lankan sellers would be a good example. I am fine with the news as long as the poster can make a relevant connection between the news and any potential impact to eBay sellers and/or buyers for that matter. 

     As far as the scams tend to agree with blingfling123  it's all over the internet so what's the difference. 

[lamber9347]

I'm sorry but I completely disagree with this theory. To suggest that no one post about scams in order not to influence others, well frankly that is akin to book banning in schools. Reading about a subject does not create an individual who replicates the same....

[richard1rst]

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@dbfolks166mt wrote:

I do take exception the statement "The buyer always wins".

NOT if the seller responds properly and follows the guidelines the buyer does NOT always win. I know from personal experience - I've beaten them. Even credit card charge backs from months earlier "I don't recognize the transaction".  Proof of delivery to the stated address is all it has ever taken. The trick is to have the proof 4-5-6 months after the sale. But it takes an understanding of the rules. Too often we see posts that say "now what do I do" when they should already know that before they start selling.

For the 2 scenarios you describe the seller winning is understandable and is probably the result for most sellers.  How many NAD's have you had and how many have you won/lost. 

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That is not something I keep a score card on. But it is not a win lose situation in many cases. If the item truly is NAD then it is not who wins but whether the seller is willing to do the right thing and make it right. '

Cause if you do not then eBay will step in and "crack" your knuckles. I immediately respond. I have never made a claim of infallibility - I leave that for the Pope. I have (rarely fortunately) made a shipping error. 2 versions of the same sports license plate for example, and I sent the wrong version.

There was one not so long ago. A buyer purchased a jigsaw puzzle and filed a NAD case claiming pieces missing. The puzzle companies I deal with will send out a free replacement upon presentation of a picture showing what pieces are missing.  I asked for a picture and they said they never put it together. HUH? They simply counted the pieces. NO puzzles is ever EXACTLY the number of pieces listed. I contacted CS with the information and the case was closed. No refund, no defects, and feedback removed. But that is because I took the time to show the absurdity of the claim. There have been a few others. But then the items I sell are not as prone to complaints as, for example, clothes and electronics seem to be.

Judging by reading between the lines of some of the comments I have seen on these boards, when a seller gets a complaint instead of dealing with it they take it as a personal affront  and dig their heels in. That is their fault and undoing.

YOU MUST BE PROACTIVE.

[southern*sweet*tea]

For almost four years I worked for a major online rewards program that is still in business to this day.  My job was to go to all the online hack and scam forums I could find, start posting to earn trust, then learn how to scam.  I gave that information to my boss who would use that information to tighten site security.

I know all the tricks and all the forums to go to for information.  There are even more places out there now as I've not worked there for almost eight years now.  Trust me when I say that I could scam anyone I wanted to, you would never know it until it was too late and there would be nothing you could do to stop it.  Trust me also when I say that these scammers don't come to this forum, they have their own, and there are multitudes of them.

What separates me from them is that I have a conscience, I believe in the golden rule, I believe in God and I like to sleep at night.

If someone is going to scam, they will whether the information is posted here or not.  If posting the information keeps a seller from getting cyber-robbed, then putting the info out there is worth it.

[nocoolnamejane]

Fun fact: accidental ingestion of single use detergent packets, aka tide pods, is actually more common and on the rise in people over 60 years of age, due to factors like dementia.

So no, talking about the tide pod challenge on TikTok is NOT the root cause of most laundry detergent poisoning.

Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35603994/

[sin-n-dex]

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@frodobagginskennedy wrote:

most folks do not even know this community exists.  

The you have the 60/20/20 rule.  60% of folks will NEVER scam. 20% will scam as that is theoir nature.  Then there is the other 20% they will do something wrong if given the opportunity

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I call the last 20% the "opportunistic scammer". They don't normally go out of their way to scam people, but when they see a delivery scan is missing, suddenly the item didn't arrive. (I really like how I fixed that guy's red wagon by calling his post office and telling them he was scamming me, please apply a delivery scan, and don't bother looking for a lost package).

I liked best how one of the biggest European dealers of euro coins tried to scam me on a coin auction that they bid to the moon, and suddenly didn't receive (shipped to a friend in the US). I won that INR, and their post office told me I was being scammed. It's been almost 180 days... looks like I get to keep the $255 from the sale.

C.

[hartungcards]

I think the only thing that should never be said here, ever again, is, "Why is eBay including my shipping charge and the sales tax in my final value fee?  Does anyone else want to start a class action lawsuit?"

[ittybitnot]

Does anyone ever think about a buyer seeing this & thinking "maybe I should try that?". Giving them ideas.

@s.scharmu0 

This topic has been brought up before.  The talk about 'scams' here is discussing something that is already going on.  It provides information to both sellers and buyers on how, when possible, they can prevent being taken  and/or defend themselves regarding these problems when they occur.  Remaining silent while the bad actors continue to lie, cheat, and steal makes no sense.  I agree with others who see the benefits of  knowledge about the crimes.  You can't help people defend themselves if you can't mention what they need to defend themselves for.  Silence will never help the problem go away.  

Watching a movie about a bank robbery does not make one go out and do it.  Reading a book about embezzlement does not make one start doing so if the opportunity is there.   The "remain silent so others won't learn" reminds me of certain social groups that refuse to allow children to have any sex education (that might just save their lives) because the children  just might rush out and do it.  

I worked years ago for a school system that felt strongly about that, but decided only 12th graders could be given the basics.  I stood at the board meeting and told them I had two 13 year old girls in my classroom that already had three kids each,  and two others with HIV.  Some earlier knowledge there might have helped prevent that......now I will tell you about 'text me scammers' and 'fake tracking returns' so you know how avoid being the victim of theft.   

[anasazirose]

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@hartungcards wrote:

I think the only thing that should never be said here, ever again, is, "Why is eBay including my shipping charge and the sales tax in my final value fee?  Does anyone else want to start a class action lawsuit?"

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It's understandable why ebay charges FVF in shipping.  Years ago it was very common to see a $50 item listed for sale for $10 and $50 shipping.   Ebay would only get their FVF on the artificially low sale price when it was the shipping charged making the profit for the seller.

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As for the FVF charged on sales tax, I agree.  However, ebay and others will say ebay collects it and saves the sellers from having to do it, so it's worth it.  Ebay gets either paid or gets a discount to collect it, so they're making out twice.  If all were done legally from the beginning, though, BUYERS who didn't pay sales tax on online purchases were supposed to pay it.  I know I never paid it to a state as a buyer when it wasn't charged by a seller, did you?